Most popular complaints lately:
No ability to take videos using built in camera
No MMS on 1st Gen iPhones
No Voice dialing
and people are not sure how well the background apps (push) is going to work
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Most popular complaints lately:
No ability to take videos using built in camera
No MMS on 1st Gen iPhones
No Voice dialing
and people are not sure how well the background apps (push) is going to work
Precisely. Like GPS service. Should be easy enough for some adventurous soul to check this basic premise out on the beta firmware. I personally suspect a very nuanced answer for the discerning tester (with respect to sending/receiving/queing messages), and I also suspect some details will certainly change between now and launch.
~ CB
Well, Sony might have chosen to spread out recognition of the money it received for the sale of a PSP over a number of years. In that case, it would be satisfying GAAP requirements for an "incomplete" sale, and free updates would be totally OK.
Similarly, Apple could have chosen to do the same when accounting for the money it receives for the sale of an iPod touch. Apparently, for whatever reason, they decided not to.
Personally, I will find it interesting to see what happens 24 months after the initial sale of the first 2.5G iPhones. Then, once their GAAP excuse runs out of steam, will Apple stop issuing firmware updates for those phones? Or else will Apple start charging for them?
Indeed, it is physically possible for some phones connected to GPRS and/or EDGE networks to send/receive MMS. As evidence, look at the variety of 2G/2.5G phones which do exactly that.
The distinction in the iPhone's case must lie elsewhere.
Perhaps that's another reason they don't allow MMS on the 1st gen iPhones, another push for consumers to upgrade so they don't have to hear as much complaining when they start charging 1st gen iPhone users for upgrades.
FYI.
In most circumstances where you would view Flash video on the web the video itself is not embedded in the SWF file. Usually the SWF file has a FLVPlayback component which has a reference to the video file on the server (could be an mp4 file as far as we know).
It's a proprietary container (as QuickTime is) which simply links to the video file. Besides, you also either need QuickTime Player or WMP to play any kind of video on the web. Flash Player is just "another" player, proprietary like the rest.
Just to clear things up a bit.
Flash is not Satan's Spawn!
As it is with software, if the developer is good, the product is good. If you have Flash Player 10 installed I suggest you check this out. Not everything Flash is bad!
http://www.hobnox.com/audiotool.1046.de.html
But why would that happen? Doesn't Apple still get a cut of the service for 1st gen iPhone owners?
I'm not sure exactly how it works, if you are a 1st gen iPhone owner and your 2 year contract expires and you try to renew your contract do you pay the same amount per month or do you have to pay the same price as iPhone 3G owners? If you renew is Apple still getting a percent of the monthly fee for the renewed contract or was AT&Ts deal with Apple that they only get a percent of the original contract and not any renewals?
As far as I know, there is no need to renew. You continue paying AT&T your current rate. You are just able to cancel at anytime. The real question must be, does Apple still get a cut after the contract terms have been fulfilled.
Do you know when the exclusive contract w/ AT&T ends? I think I've read 2009 on one article and 2010 in another article but don't remember which one was more recent. If it's 2009 then Apple probably doesn't get a cut after the contract terms have been fulfilled.
No clue, but that would be an issue... Of course if exclusivity does end this year, maybe Verizon could get an iPhone
No clue, but that would be an issue... Of course if exclusivity does end this year, maybe Verizon could get an iPhone
Man if the iPhone opened up to all US carriers (or at least the major ones) I would buy one in an instant, that's what I'm waiting for more than anything. Now it's just a question of when it ends and if Apple will extend the exclusivity contract with AT&T.
Since this kind of relates to the other tethering thread does Verizon have free tethering option? I know someone said T mobile does.
Yeah I assumed the 5GB/month limit, but do you have to pay an extra $30 or whatever to legitimately have the tethering option with Verizon?
Some ppl are NEVER satisfied
ok i've been reading macrumors since the day the iphone was first unveiled to the public and am always amazed by the petty little gripes and complaints that so many people seem to have. I waited in line day 1 like many others to shell out $600 for the 1st generation iphone. I also waited in line for the iphone 3G on day 1 (with one hell of a hangover i might add.) From the moment i started using the first iphone i knew i had by far the best phone on the market. I was amazed at how simple it was to use and how intelligently it had been designed. With a few updates, they fixed a few shortcoming but of course ppl still weren't satisfied. Then they released the iphone 3G a year later which is even a more amazing phone along with the app store which is equally impressive. And now we are getting 3.0 which is simply incredible in my opinion after watching the keynote video. It seems to me Apple doesn't ever just throw something out there until they have nearly perfected it which makes sense to me. Ppl have been fussing about copy and paste for so long. But now that we are going to have it, I can see why it may have taken some time. It's nearly perfect in the way it works and the way it works across all apps. It's genius if you ask me and i never really gave a damn about getting it in the first place. So now everybody gets their cut, copy, and paste along with all their landscape keyboards that i again could really care less about but obviously so many others did. We get our MMS which i actually do care about but was living a very complete life without none-the-less. We get background notifications which is another example of apple getting it right. Ok so now i'm getting winded...but i just wanted to say that those of you who complain about every little tiny thing must live the most miserable lives; I would hate to be you or one of your family members because undoubtedly this negative energy spills over into every aspect of your lives. If you don't own an iphone quit telling all of us what it'll take for you to actually pony up and buy one cause i for one don't give a *****. And if you do own one and aren't 150% satisfied, go out and buy that phone that you seem to think is better cause that's what i would do rather than bitch and moan all the time. This phone is easily 5 years ahead of the competition and they will never ever catch up to Apple on this one. I'm so tired of my friends showing me their iphone wannabe and then realizing a week later that it doesn't even compare. I wouldn't trade my iphone for any other phone out there. I couldn't be more satisfied with my purchase.
ok i've been reading macrumors since the day the iphone was first unveiled to the public and am always amazed by the petty little gripes and complaints that so many people seem to have. I waited in line day 1 like many others to shell out $600 for the 1st generation iphone. I also waited in line for the iphone 3G on day 1 (with one hell of a hangover i might add.) From the moment i started using the first iphone i knew i had by far the best phone on the market. I was amazed at how simple it was to use and how intelligently it had been designed. With a few updates, they fixed a few shortcoming but of course ppl still weren't satisfied. Then they released the iphone 3G a year later which is even a more amazing phone along with the app store which is equally impressive. And now we are getting 3.0 which is simply incredible in my opinion after watching the keynote video. It seems to me Apple doesn't ever just throw something out there until they have nearly perfected it which makes sense to me. Ppl have been fussing about copy and paste for so long. But now that we are going to have it, I can see why it may have taken some time. It's nearly perfect in the way it works and the way it works across all apps. It's genius if you ask me and i never really gave a damn about getting it in the first place. So now everybody gets their cut, copy, and paste along with all their landscape keyboards that i again could really care less about but obviously so many others did. We get our MMS which i actually do care about but was living a very complete life without none-the-less. We get background notifications which is another example of apple getting it right. Ok so now i'm getting winded...but i just wanted to say that those of you who complain about every little tiny thing must live the most miserable lives; I would hate to be you or one of your family members because undoubtedly this negative energy spills over into every aspect of your lives. If you don't own an iphone quit telling all of us what it'll take for you to actually pony up and buy one cause i for one don't give a *****. And if you do own one and aren't 150% satisfied, go out and buy that phone that you seem to think is better cause that's what i would do rather than bitch and moan all the time. This phone is easily 5 years ahead of the competition and they will never ever catch up to Apple on this one. I'm so tired of my friends showing me their iphone wannabe and then realizing a week later that it doesn't even compare. I wouldn't trade my iphone for any other phone out there. I couldn't be more satisfied with my purchase.
When you learn how to break something into paragraphs I'll be willing to read what you have to say.
PEOPLE WAKE UP, YOU DON'T NEED TO PAY TETHERING TO AT&T or ANY OTHER CARRIER
Tethering is a function included in most phone, and that's like several years ago.
You see before tethering via cable, and then moved to Bluetooth, I've used both in Asia and Europe.
After moving to the US, I've notice AT&T and most other T-Mobile, etc. are charging customer for tethering?
What the heck?
I didn't pay for it, and using tethering whenever I'm on biz trip, with my Nokia E61, BTW, I have iPhone 2G AT&T plan but using no iPhone. I know it's slow, but when I was in Europe and Asia I've done it through 3G service on the same phone.
And have been doing tethering for almost 2 years now, here in the US.
I believe tethering charge is just another excuse most US Mobile carrier are trying to cash $$$$.
PEOPLE please wake up, you don't need to pay tethering.
Tethering is a function included in most phone, and that's like several years ago.
You see before tethering via cable, and then moved to Bluetooth, I've used both in Asia and Europe.
After moving to the US, I've notice AT&T and most other T-Mobile, etc. are charging customer for tethering?
What the heck?
I didn't pay for it, and using tethering whenever I'm on biz trip, with my Nokia E61, BTW, I have iPhone 2G AT&T plan but using no iPhone. I know it's slow, but when I was in Europe and Asia I've done it through 3G service on the same phone.
And have been doing tethering for almost 2 years now, here in the US.
I believe tethering charge is just another excuse most US Mobile carrier are trying to cash $$$$.
PEOPLE please wake up, you don't need to pay tethering.
Um...and what if Apple locks tethering on the AT&T network unless you pay the $30 a month?
What's your point? In the US carriers make us pay for tethering. Are you suggesting that US citizens move to Asia or Europe just to avoid tethering costs?
First gen iPhones can't handle MMS due to hardware limitations?
That's the stupidest thing I've heard.
That's the stupidest thing I've heard.
Ok. I'm talking about VOICE and EDGE "data" usage simultaneously. I'm not saying anything about MMS and EDGE data usage simultaneously... as far as I'm concerned, they're Apples and Apples.
So, to recap, I was expecting a statement more like this: "Indeed, it is physically possible for some phones connected to EDGE networks to send/receive MMS data transfers while conducting normal cellular voice operations."
To illustrate, THIS is the disagreement we SHOULD be having (if we disagree at all). This is a conversation copied from the Howard Forum website in June of 2006:
So, in our case... I'm agreeing with baaadandy's comments, and perhaps erroneously (maybe someone can enlighten me) adding that MMS is NOT the same as SMS and travels a similar route as other data transmissions (thus preventing simultaneous voice usage on an EDGE network).
--This, in turn, would mean that usage of MMS is much more problematic for these phones, than phones with more modern 3G radios. In this day and age, you might even say that its so "lame", that, even if you could get it working consistently the way one would expect... it would spur a plethora of phone calls from EDGE users, wondering why they encounter certain unintuitive technical issues that 3G users do not.
Jut look at Swirly MMS technical complaints on both T-Mobile and ATT&T. Some of it sounds like carrier issues, others sound like technical glitches related to how reliably the technology works on EDGE.
Indeed it does, droobie.
~ CB
Kind of like the idea that Apple can't produce a sub-$500 computer. At some point, its up to the manufacturer to identify the level of CRAPTACULOUSNESS they wish to expose to the market. While opinions may differ, Apple seems to have a solid level of customer appreciation with the iPhone that others should envy... even the ones doing MMS on EDGE phones.
That's right. I invented that word. I'm registering the domain name now.
~ CB