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I have never received this level of support before from any other cell phone manufacturer, for free!

Your iPhone was free? Mine cost $399 plus I pay for monthly service for both mine and my wife's iPhones. Apple apologists are the ones that need to relax. Whatever happened to "it just works"? Apple seems to be having a bit of a problem with that lately.
 
I'm still trying to figure out what use I would have for this. In over a year with the iPhone, not once have I ever wished I had copy/paste. I do work on a computer, not on a phone.
 
It will be great to have copy/paste when it does come out in the 2.0.1 firmware update.

But all the people complaining about how they want stability first really need to relax. In case you guys don't remember last year when the 1st gen iPhone came out with the 1.0 firmware it was almost as buggy as this 2.0 firmware. Compounding the problems this time around are all the 3rd party applications. The fact that they are already beta testing the 2.0.1 firmware and adding new features as well is amazing. I have never received this level of support before from any other cell phone manufacturer, for free!

Also I think people need to realize that Apple is now focusing more attention on trying to gain market share. And that means some products will be released before they have been perfected in software. It is easy for Apple to get the hardware perfect first and then release software updates later to fix any software problems that might occur.

That is the worst example of trying to substantiate clear weakness on Apple's part. So because 1.0 was buggy, 2.0 has to be buggy too? 3rd party apps that Apple "APPROVES" should fall under the same QC that Apple uses. (Maybe that's the problem). We are forced to accept this as the new rule? Sorry but Apple needs to do a better job at quality control, stop promising dates for products that aren't out yet, knowing full well that the product is incomplete. MobileME? Ipod/Iphone 2.0 Software? These examples are for the last 2 products they brought out, and some issues are still unresolved, not to mention every update the bring out for Leopard breaks one of my PRO Applications. You shouldn't have these kinds of issues for EVERY product or software you bring out. RIght now, Apple is 0-2 on QC. This does not look good for people on the outside and risks losing their most important group - LOYAL Customers.

Oh, and I don't give a crap about their need to increase market share. How does that help me enjoy their products any more? Does their increased market share make a better pc? NO. I didn't have mobileme so I signed up for the trial. I am a new subscriber, which is harder and more expensive to get than your current subscribers, and I think the product is horrible, and I WANT TO LIKE IT. But for 100$ I would feel stupid giving them my money.

Sorry but this is a little ridiculous.
 
Old iPhone with 2.0

So true.


Calm down.

Version 2.0 is working fine for some.

Part of the problem is 3rd party apps.

It will get better.

I got a big improvement in 2.0 performance after deleting all games and a few other flakey apps. I don't know which ones helped, but there has been a marked improvement since I deleted SMB, Motion X Poker, a conversational italian app, epocrates, apple remote, Uranus, Google Mobile App, and Tap Tap Revenge. I still have AOL Radio, Where, Bloomberg, and Mobile Banking. The UI is still a little laggy at times, but not really an issue any more.
 
Talk about hyperbole. I use the one big button in a static motion and that leads you to using one's tongue? Without a stylus and an options menu you are going to have to use a combination, like with taking a snapshot. If you have an easier solution that holding down the home button with one finger and clicking on text with another, go ahead and post it.

Simple. Touch screen over text. After a delay the loupe comes up just as with a text field now. Touch with second finger and a second loupe comes up. Release once you have marked the start and end of the text to be copied. There is no cut. If it is a text field the text remains highlighted so you can delete it to simulate a cut. Pasting is just a mater of choosing what gesture you want to use for the paste feature (maybe touch until the loupe comes up to choose your insterion point then tap with second finger).

Honestly despite all of the hubbub regarding multitouch, it gets very little use other than pinch/reverse pinch for zooming.
 
I got a big improvement in 2.0 performance after deleting all games and a few other flakey apps. I don't know which ones helped, but there has been a marked improvement since I deleted SMB, Motion X Poker, a conversational italian app, epocrates, apple remote, Uranus, Google Mobile App, and Tap Tap Revenge. I still have AOL Radio, Where, Bloomberg, and Mobile Banking. The UI is still a little laggy at times, but not really an issue any more.

So basically you went back to 1.1.4?
 
1) Are there no such localization strings in previous versions of mobile Safari?

2) If the localization strings are only in mobile Safari, not in other apps, then cut/copy/paste won't carry over apps in the iPhone.

There have been strings for all sorts of things in the iphone firmware... even things like radio!

A basic screen for 802.1x hotspots was in 1.1.2 onwards (you could force enable it but it didn't actually do anything).

The bluetooth settings plist seems to have been borrowed from the network settings one and contains strings related to signing onto networks.. the bluetooth enable button is even tied to the 'bluetooth-network' property.. but it doesn't mean they're about to enable tethering... it means someone probably did a search/replace on 'wifi' to 'bluetooth' when they were creating the project.

Basically I think there's a lot of copying an pasting (heh.) going on at apple where teams borrow each others translation files to avoid having to create new ones and retranslate everything. I don't think having a few random strings in the safari plist means anything much... it's probably a hangover from something else.
 
magnifying circle to be removed?

The best method I can figure ....
Seems overly complicated to me, but whatever is decided certainly won't please everyone anyway. ;)

Indications are that the magnifying circle thingie is a part of the problem:

apple engineer said:
It’s probable that the zoom bubble (the one that brings up the edit cursor) is the issue as it has removed the obvious tap and hold position from Apple to use for a pop-up menu of some sort. Text selection is another difficulty to sort out. Certainly, the cursor could be added to the menu selection; however, Apple wants to keep this as simple as possible and that added step would not lend itself to simple.

I might be alone here, but I have always found that circle very hard to use and almost more annoying than simply providing arrow keys on the keyboard would be.

If the new cut and paste method has to select text there are only two possibilities:

  1. The circle stays and that's the tool we use to set the cursor position with the addition of a modifying touch of some kind for cut/copy/paste (very sad if true and not likely to satisfy)
  2. The circle goes and the "tap and hold" place is taken by a completely new method (guaranteed to piss off everyone who likes or has got used to the circle thingie.)

I think Apple will be damned if they do and damned if they don't. ;)

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The best method I can figure is by holding down the Home button and tapping the screen at the start point and then at the end point. At which time a message appears asking you if you want to cut or copy the text.

Pasting would be performed by holding down the Home button and then double-tapping at the correct location. This does limit it to text only, and not to images, but I think Apple should take baby steps with this as there is no easy solution that is going to be as user-friendly as using a physical keyboard and mouse.

I think there needs to be a robust Clipboard for the iPhone that you can access like the Notes app. Meaning, a clipboard that holds multiple data sets in memory and one that can be manually edited for future use and quick access pasting.

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An end to the whining? Where is MMS ?!

MMS will never be implemented in the iPhone. And it has nothing to to with technicalities. If you work in the teleco industry you will know that MMS was never the killer app that SMS is for many reasons that I will not list here.

Just to voice the stability issues again !!
I have never JB'd my iPhone. 2.0 gives me 1-2 restarts every day. Safari crashes 5-10 times a day. Some apps crash as well. Overall when demonstrating all the cool apps (yes, some are really good) there are chances that you might be embarrassed when you get a black out and restart !:eek:
Yeah, you can say "Ohh, btw..:rolleyes: this also restarts the phone" :D:cool:
Some apps are written poorly and cause the phone to heat up a bit (bad power management/over utilization of the processor ?) I hope Apple comes up with a way to improve things.

You see, this is why Apple refused to support native 3rd party apps when they first launched the iPhone.
 
Maybe it's in the same folder as the Nike frameworks, which have pretty much been sitting there and useless since 1.1.3?
 
This will certainly be a nice little addition. Honestly, we've all been living without it and I can't say that I've had the need for it too many times but it's just one more little feature that makes the iPhone (and iPod Touch) that much well rounded as a functional and productive product. :)
 
I got a big improvement in 2.0 performance after deleting all games and a few other flakey apps. I don't know which ones helped, but there has been a marked improvement since I deleted SMB, Motion X Poker, a conversational italian app, epocrates, apple remote, Uranus, Google Mobile App, and Tap Tap Revenge. I still have AOL Radio, Where, Bloomberg, and Mobile Banking. The UI is still a little laggy at times, but not really an issue any more.
Good points.

There are definitely some apps that are not working well.

If the new cut and paste method has to select text there are only two possibilities:

  1. The circle stays and that's the tool we use to set the cursor position with the addition of a modifying touch of some kind for cut/copy/paste (very sad if true and not likely to satisfy)
  2. The circle goes and the "tap and hold" place is taken by a completely new method (guaranteed to piss off everyone who likes or has got used to the circle thingie.)
Or a third solution, that Apple creates! :)

People who complain about whining are just as annoying.
:D
 
So true.


Calm down.

Version 2.0 is working fine for some.

Part of the problem is 3rd party apps.

It will get better.

I wasn't even aware there was a problem with 2.0. What's the problem with 2.0? Mine works great. Push contacts is slow when you open contacts, but that can be turned off. Somebody's Tetris not acting right?
 
I am perfectly calm, thank you. And please don't tell me how I should express myself or how I should I feel. You would have to agree that Apple seems to be biting off more than it can chew these days. The 2.0 software is buggy for many, many people. The MobileMe rollout has been an embarrassment. And the 3G launch was marred by server issues that could have probably been avoided if Apple had gotten the 2.0 software out to 1rst generation iPhone owners weeks in advance. They are cutting timelines too close and the quality is suffering. And I know it will get better. I guess I just expect more from Apple to begin with.

Bleeding edge is always bleeding edge. But the 3g is sold out. Not enough people apparently care about the issues. I think anyone purchasing a .0 product whether it be software or hardware should know that it's not going to be perfect. Especially on day one. They have the choice to wait for 2.1 or the next version or whatever.

I really think this is new territory. You can't test server overloads until a million folks have it in their hands. You don't know how many are going to buy it until it's on sale. You can't completely test every 3rd party app to make sure level 3 of game so and so doesn't make it crash when so and so app is also installed. That's computing.

But don't think I'm going to not make fun of Vista when it has problems. That's human nature!
 
Lagging?

Doubt that, 90% of the problems I've had are all on Apple's part... Lagging default apps, maps loading extremely sluggishly, needing to restart the device couple of times a day because it starts crawling while doing anything. Scrolling lists is extremely jerky/laggy... the list goes on and has nothing to do w/ 3rd party apps. If anything the apps worked perfectly fine for me for the most part...

Are you sure about this?

Part of your problems may be coming from 3rd party apps. I've installed the 2.0 version on my old iPhone and have recently gotten a new iPhone and I have seen these problems on both devices, only after running a 3rd party app, such as Enigmo, Monkey Ball, and Tetris.
 
So true.


Calm down.

Version 2.0 is working fine for some.

Part of the problem is 3rd party apps.

It will get better.


Certainly we are seeing the yin and yang of ways to respond to problems with the iPhone software update.

The problems are real, unfortunately. I had used my original iPhone for a year without a single hiccup, and 2 days after upgrading to 2.0 and adding some apps, it crashed to the "dreaded" white Apple logo and refused to budge. Apple tech support had me try all the different ways (except 1 they apparently didn't know about) to revive the iPhone, but nothing worked. So they said I would need to send it in for repairs. I payed to have a loaner phone sent to me, and synced it to my iTunes account. Within a few hours it too had crashed to the white Apple icon. I found a resourceful comment on the Apple discussion forums about how to revive the phone, but it involves a complete erase and reload of the OS and back-up notes, etc. That takes a long time, and is only possible if you can spend a couple of hours at your main computer waiting for everything to load. Take a look at some of the Apple iPhone discussion threads (http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1600894&tstart=0) and you'll see some upset owners. I would agree that having a functional phone that you can count on is much more important than cut-and-paste.

But as Sushi alludes, take a deep breath, and don't use any 3rd party apps. It will get better.
 
Just got mine last night. Overally its awesome, have none of the problems I've read about here: ie, yellow screen, ridiculous lag on camera, contacts, etc.

Main complaints (probably rectified eventually): lack of ability to send a text to multiple recipients (correct me if I'm wrong), lack of ability to add own ring tones/text sounds, and, of course, copy/paste.

All in all its pretty slammin' though B-)
 
i hear a lot of crowing about copy/paste functions but i'm not sure how they would be used. i would think that landscape keyboard mode for email and SMS or a "right-click" option menu while in safari on websites would be far more valuable. i'm not sure if the latter would fall under copy/paste but i doubt it.
 
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