Money. They can hire the best directors, writers, and actors. Then they need to be fairly hands off, let them do their thing, and just be the platform for the content.
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Hollywood Producers Say 'Intrusive' Apple Executives and 'Lack of Clarity' Impeding Original Content Efforts
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Money. They can hire the best directors, writers, and actors. Then they need to be fairly hands off, let them do their thing, and just be the platform for the content.
Dude, I get it. You want very badly to believe this story is true. Feel free.
There’s anti-vaxxers, flat-earthers, climate-change deniers, and now (apparently) Tim Cook is a micromanager-ers. Sure there’s only one anonymously-sourced story in a notorious gossip rag in support of the last, but maybe it’ll catch on. If this thread is any indication, that is
Dude, I get it. You want very badly to believe this story is true. Feel free.
There’s anti-vaxxers, flat-earthers, climate-change deniers, and now (apparently) Tim Cook is a micromanager-ers. Sure there’s only one anonymously-sourced story in a notorious gossip rag in support of the last, but maybe it’ll catch on. If this thread is any indication, that is
I don’t want to believe it’s even partially true. But here is the deal. You don’t believe it’s true because you have nothing to base it on, so you’re taking the innocent till proven guilty approach. I’ll leave that to your own interpretation
They may have control in their own hardware and software (or lack thereof given the flaws, cheap parts, sloppy builds and buggy software), but Apple cannot fully control Hollywood.
No one likes extensive notes on their work. “Intrusive” is not what you want to be known as there.”Lack of clarity” is pretty damning too.
Not surprised.
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Just go back to making nicely built hardware and easy to use software, and leave the Hollywood stuff to the professionals.
No one likes extensive notes on their work. “Intrusive” is not what you want to be known as there.”Lack of clarity” is pretty damning too.
Not surprised.
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Just go back to making nicely built hardware and easy to use software, and leave the Hollywood stuff to the professionals.It was, yes. And it was, IIRC, a very popular segment on the show, that had a pretty big following online.
So yes, Apple turned the format into a series, but my point was that it was already an established, and very popular format. The fact that you don't know that many people who watched it is neither her nor there.
Time will tell. People have been moaning about the state of Macs since the iPhone, iPad, iCloud, Apple TV, Apple Music, AirPods, Apple Watch. Steve himself switched the name from Apple computer.
Ok... so the fact that when Apple made it into a series, without James Corden in most episodes, and people didn’t watch it has nothing to do with my argument? Even though that was the whole point of my argument. Good attempt to deflect away from my point there..
That’s so true!
[doublepost=1551906274][/doublepost]I’m critical about what Apple is doing here, but.... it doesn’t mean that all the content will be bad. Take Asimov’s Foundation for example. I’ve been reading those books for about five times and I didn’t found any explicit scenes about people making love within the 7 books that Asimov wrote. I also didn’t find that much explicit violence, other then huge space wars... it’s more about conspiracy and characters than basic violence and sex.
If the TV serie Rome would be filmed all over using strickly rules applied by Apple then you might get a serie that’s more related to I Claudius then to the modern version of Rome, the television serie.
Sure, for some, probably a lot, I Claudius might be considered old fashion, just like the SciFi en cult BBC series Blake’s 7, but for me it’s still heaven to watch these series. Meaning, series without sex or explicit violence doesn’t have to be bad at the end, it can still be great to watch.
So, let’s see and wait.
Leonard Cohen: "Give me crack and anal sex, take the only tree that's left and stuff it up the hole in your culture."
Tim Cook: "Could you make that a little friendlier please?"
Intrusion has no place in art. Does Apple want to bring us a channel that offers compelling shows that are good enough to count as art (True Detective, Sense 8, Game of Thrones, etc), or do they want to bring us drivel? Guess we won't know until we see some of them, but I'm guessing drivel.
Tim Cook: "Could you make that a little friendlier please?"
Intrusion has no place in art. Does Apple want to bring us a channel that offers compelling shows that are good enough to count as art (True Detective, Sense 8, Game of Thrones, etc), or do they want to bring us drivel? Guess we won't know until we see some of them, but I'm guessing drivel.
Does every show or movie have to have references to (or explicitly show) drug use or sex to be art, or compelling, or to not be considered “drivel”?
If you look at the 25+ properties Apple has greenlighted—and the partnerships they’ve announced, such as with Sesame Street and Oprah—I think you can get a good idea of the type of content Apple’s looking for. They have every right not to produce NC-17, R-rated or TV-MA content for instance, if they so choose.
Not every show is going to appeal to everyone. If it doesn’t interest you, don’t watch it.
In Apple’s defence though...
The Shawshank Redemption
12 Angry Men
2001: A Space Odyssey
The Lord of the Rings trilogy
I Claudius
Among so many other examples of movies and series that doesn’t make use explicit languance and violence that are considdered great productions. Meaning, it’s a bit short sided to think that without explicit sexscenes or explicit sentences a production is doomed to be bad.....
The Shawshank Redemption
12 Angry Men
2001: A Space Odyssey
The Lord of the Rings trilogy
I Claudius
Among so many other examples of movies and series that doesn’t make use explicit languance and violence that are considdered great productions. Meaning, it’s a bit short sided to think that without explicit sexscenes or explicit sentences a production is doomed to be bad.....
Of course Hollywood would say this...
Because unlike most others.. Apple wants specific guidelines to meet. Why do you think titles appear on other services before they hit Apple? Apple wants to control it their way, and so does Hollywood.
If Apple doesn't give to some things, their not gonna have a TV service.
Because unlike most others.. Apple wants specific guidelines to meet. Why do you think titles appear on other services before they hit Apple? Apple wants to control it their way, and so does Hollywood.
If Apple doesn't give to some things, their not gonna have a TV service.
Very true (although, I don't know how you consider the Lord of the Rings Trilogy (movies) to be not explicitly making use of violence). I did not make my point clearly. Without over-explaining it, I definitely view TV and Cinema as forms of art when done properly, not just as a form of entertainment. Intrusive top-down oversight, I suspect, will not produce great art. Could be wrong, but I'm guessing not. Entertainment for the sake of entertainment, sure. Maybe even great entertainment.
Using LC again, since I know his work well:
There was a time when you let me know
What's really going on below
But now you never show that to me do you
But remember when I moved in you
And the holy dove was moving too
And every breath we drew was hallelujah
How would Hallelujah be, translated through a, for example, "let's not offend" filter?
If Apple bought Netflix they would ruin it. That would be the stuff of nightmares... Just no. And people need to stop thinking Apple can just buy everything.
I guess it depends how much you want to over analyse it. My point was just that it wasn't a new show / format. It was an existing format, which had already proven popular.
There’s a lack of clarity on what they want.
ROTFLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. Fifty percent of the time, actual TV producers don't know what they want until it's presented to them six different ways and then only half of them can make a decision until whatever it is seconds from being shot. Can't tell you the number of times I've walked into the office at 5 PM and asked if we had an updated script for the scene we were shooting the next day — like in 12 hours — and the answer was still "no". And these are people who do this for a living and are, for all of that, still better at it than 99% of your average persons on the street. Now imagine replacing them with a group of software executives who have zero idea how ANY of it works and this is probably the least surprising thing I've ever heard.
The risk as a crew member is always that you'll wind up in one of two unhealthy scenarios: either there are too many cooks in the kitchen and you'll get endless sheets of notes and it takes forever to get a final answer OR you get a single barely sane megalomaniac who needs to personally approve every single speck of dust on the set and it takes forever to get a final answer. I don't know which Apple is — maybe both — but neither are conducive to the creative process. And I can't speak for every craft, but if they really want the shows to get made faster, then Apple might consider devoting more of their time to improving their professional products because I don't know of any designer, editor, or VFX guy that can do their job with just an iPhone.
Well, if you raise the prices on your already overpriced junk you're bound to see results in the short term. Anybody can used a good brand name and exploit it. Also, you're proving your own ignorance if you think that revenue has any bearing on quality. Historically, Apple has lagged behind Microsoft revenue-wise and were more of a niche company with a cult following and they were better for it. Look at what Tim's Apple has accomplished, an iPhone with no headphone jack, phones and tablets that bend, MacBooks that are too thin to function properly, a notebook and desktop division that suffered blows and took a backseat so that Apple can milk their $h!tty phone line, soaring prices, etc. Only time will tell how brilliant your hero Tim Cook is.
The iPhone has no headphone jack. That's a fact. The iPhone 6 Plus bends. That's another fact. Do you need me to repeat any more?
I already addressed your argument about revenue/profits, did I not? Or are you just willfully ignoring what I said because you have the maturity level of a 3 year old.
No, you spoke about Apple before Tim Cook and ignored the $700B in value he created during his tenure, the $60B in profit, the industry leading silicon, the epic Apple Watch, the AirPods, the $100B in non iPhone revenue, the 3X more iPhones sold than peak Jobs era, Apple Music, Apple Pay, the $45B services business growing at 20%, the fact Cook got Apple out of supply chain hell, the fact Jobs promoted Cook, the fact Cook was Apple’s highest paid executive when Jobs was living, and the fact Steve absolutely respected Cook to the point of giving him the company and calling him a better negotiator.
Other than that, your argument was pretty sound.
And no, the iPhone 6 bend was not an international issue, just as iPad Pro wasn’t. Both set records in sales and didn’t bend unless they were abused.
Unless you have facts on how many were impacted, get out of here with that. The iPhone 6 year was the most unit sales ever for iPhone at over 230M and iPad just hit all time revenue records.
Those are facts.
You're arguing that higher revenue is what constitutes better. I mean, I'm sure it is for shareholders and the big wigs at Apple. I'm arguing that Tim's style is more geared towards people like that and less to the consumer. Cook isn't the only one thriving either, Samsung and LG and all these other coat riding @$$holes are also profiting from the same guy's idea.
Apple literally shipped tablets bent out of the factory and called it normal, that's a verifiable fact. You want statistical data, every single iPhone from 7 and up lacks a headphone jack, I don't give a **** about music, but I'm sure that's an issue for people that do. Again, you're arguing from the soulless perspective of revenue. Please explain why that has any relevance to the consumer that has a particular expectation for a product, because that's what Apple has always been, a premium brand. Who ever heard of a premium smartphone with no headphone jack?
You ignored everything I said except revenue, so I’m done with you.
Revenue means people like the products, period. Again, a few examples of bent iPads doesn’t impress me. Apple ships 300M units of product annually and you expect 100% perfection? Do the math on a .01% failure rate of 300M devices.
A quick search on Google will turn up hundreds of articles about weak iPhone sales. MacBook sales have been declining. Maybe any boost in revenue during Tim Cook's tenure is more attributed to the iPhone brand than anything Tim Cook did himself. And now the arc is curving downwards.
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What if it was the other way around where Apple was forcing their content creators to be more EDGY, gratuitous, etc. The problem I have is with the artist's vision being hindered. I certainly wouldn't want to watch something that had some uptight, backseat driving sissy Mary giving directions.
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