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Holy Evo.. Apple needs to step up

jdu00743 said:
How do specs mean nothing? It only means nothing if you don't care about a good camera, screen, or how fast the phone runs.
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Beyond a certain point, most people care more about other factors.

Plus, BTW:
Camera photo quality in a thin device is more dependent on the lens than the number of megapixels.
The screen is already higher in resolution that the average adults eyesight can resolve under typical use conditions.
The CPU clock rate is rarely the limiting factor in the usability of mobile apps. Plus it doesn't matter how fast the CPU is if your favorite app isn't available on the platform.

So all those evo specs above could well be for a device worse in every regards. Will have to wait for user reviews and actual sales numbers in the marketplace.
 
I think you guys are going about this debate the wrong way.

To the guy touting the EVO's specs:

-First of all, we don't know the upcoming iPhone's specs, so you can't compare or jump ship just yet based on specs alone.

-Second, who cares if the EVO ends up squeezing a few more mhz out of their processor than the iPhone? As was stated above, your average consumer buys a phone based on its interface, and usability. Who cares if they have a higher megapixel count on the camera? There is a diminishing rate of returns on picture quality as you try to squeeze more sensors into the same space. That means that it's all together possible that the 8mp camera on the EVO might not take pictures even on par with a 4 or 5mp camera on another phone.

-Third, since we don't know the specs of the new iPhone, but the leaked prototype, if real, seems to be giving us the front facing camera, etc, and OS 4 will be giving most of us most of the features we have been asking for, all you have left to convince you to switch to the EVO is the iPhone lock screen? Seriously, the lock screen??? Sure it could be better utilized, but seriously, give up the elegance of the iPhone OS because of the LOCK SCREEN? C'mon.

To each his own I guess.

BTW, I'm fairly certain the lock screen isn't utilized as a centralized notification screen because of the privacy issues if the phone were to be lost or stolen.
 
iPhones sell because of the OS and its features.

I.E.
Simple user interface & iTunes connectivity & the fact that they continue to make OS upgrades for 3 or so years after purchase. With all my other phones, after about 9 months I was really ready to upgrade but because of OS 2.0 and 3.0 I have not felt so pressured to upgrade.
 
Outrigger said:
Please don't throw around false rumors if you don't know what you're talking about. There is no $40/mo just for 4G as Sprint hasn't even decided what they plan to do. And where did you get terible battery life? Have you read somewhere that someone that is testing the phone claimed it has terrible battery life? Please post a link if you did. If you're gonna start spreading false rumor, at least have some kind of credible backup. :rolleyes:
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Post in the wrong thread much? How can something be a false rumor when it is just a rumor which is an unproven fact and that is all I was pointing to. You totally manipulated my quote from a different thread to push your agenda.

Here is my original quote to the poster who thought Sprint would include 4G access in the totally unlimited plan:

"You may want to investigate that a little more. From what I have been reading, the 4G access is going to cost $40 per month and the Unlimited Everything plan may not apply to this phone. Could wind up being pretty expensive."

Now take a look at the text you pulled from my quote in a completely different thread and tell me what's wrong with your point.

BTW - here are your links to what I am talking about. In the future, you may want to take the time to do a little research yourself before you start flying off the handle at people for no damn reason.

4G access cost:

http://gizmodo.com/5511859/htc-evo-coming-to-sprint-in-june-4g-service-to-cost-10+20-extra-per-month

Battery issues:

http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/03/24/device.set.for.sprints.wimax.network/

You can apologize any time now...
 
illicium said:
I think you guys are going about this debate the wrong way.

To the guy touting the EVO's specs:

-First of all, we don't know the upcoming iPhone's specs, so you can't compare or jump ship just yet based on specs alone.

-Second, who cares if the EVO ends up squeezing a few more mhz out of their processor than the iPhone? As was stated above, your average consumer buys a phone based on its interface, and usability. Who cares if they have a higher megapixel count on the camera? There is a diminishing rate of returns on picture quality as you try to squeeze more sensors into the same space. That means that it's all together possible that the 8mp camera on the EVO might not take pictures even on par with a 4 or 5mp camera on another phone.


-Third, since we don't know the specs of the new iPhone, but the leaked prototype, if real, seems to be giving us the front facing camera, etc, and OS 4 will be giving most of us most of the features we have been asking for, all you have left to convince you to switch to the EVO is the iPhone lock screen? Seriously, the lock screen??? Sure it could be better utilized, but seriously, give up the elegance of the iPhone OS because of the LOCK SCREEN? C'mon.

To each his own I guess.

BTW, I'm fairly certain the lock screen isn't utilized as a centralized notification screen because of the privacy issues if the phone were to be lost or stolen.
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-First I thought specs didn't matter? The general public don't care remember? (See your second point)

-Second If specs don't matter, why do Apple have things like this:
The Fastest iPhone Ever
The first thing you’ll notice about iPhone 3GS is how quickly you can launch applications. Web pages render in a fraction of the time, and you can view email attachments faster. Improved performance and updated 3D graphics deliver an incredible gaming experience, too. In fact, everything you do on iPhone 3GS is up to 2x faster and more responsive than iPhone 3G.
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and this on their product pages? (See your first point)

-Third If the lockscreen wasn't sufficient for someone else, who am I to comment? :confused:

Specs do matter to people. Cars, TV's, computers, smart phones.....
 
For those thinking about switching, you should definitely try an android device first. It is a completely different experience. I have a nexus 1 and an iPhone. On paper, the nexus has better specs, but I find I almost always pick my iPhone to use.
 
Many people aren't understanding the direction Apple is taking with their phone.
Apple is not a "spec-whore" company. They are out the make a consumer device that is easier for the WORLD to use.

If you look at their patents of things like iTravel and iConcert and many other things Apple is working on, they are clearly moving in a direction that ALL these other manufactures arent. They aren't looking to just create a phone, they are looking to create something that makes your entire life easier an more fun.

Look at their commercials, they are all about "what would i do without my iphone"

Those who look at purely tech-specs are missing th WHOLE point of what Apple is creating.
 
phrint said:
Would anyone honestly use an FM radio on a cell phone when you have access to Pandora and other streaming solutions?
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Maybe, maybe not. But it sure would come in handy for all those times when I DON’T have access to Pandora and other streaming solutions, such as when I’m on a beach where there is no 3G signal (which happens to be quite a few beaches in the New York Metro area for instance).


ChazUK said:
ROFL! :D

Some would say that there has been a slight dent into Apple's market share in some regions, but -0.1% at the end of a product cycle is something Apple can live with I'm sure. :p
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I think the more telling part of that report is that Android has more than doubled it’s market share in just three months and now is at a third of Apple’s. If that trend continues, Apple could be in trouble.

Lots of comments on this thread about the user experience and UI of EVO not being up to par to Apple’s. But none of these comments seem to be based on the actual UI that EVO will be using which, reportedly, is the same one that is on the Incredible. That UI has been getting great reviews with Engadget saying “To say that this UI is competitive with something like iPhone OS 3.1 (or 4 for that matter), or Palm's webOS is an understatement; in many ways it's superior to what Apple and Palm are offering.”

http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/19/d...redible-review

Sounds like Android/HTC may not be as far behind as some people are saying.

And for those saying that EVO won’t appeal to the average consumer, I can’t help but think that the “average consumer” (and I count myself as one considering I still can’t tell you the difference between RAM and ROM) will find the idea of 4G at a considerably lower price than AT&T’s crawling 3G awfully appealing. After all, we’re the type of people that were attracted to the promise of higher speeds with the 3G iPhone two years ago.


PhoneI said:
For those thinking about switching, you should definitely try an android device first. It is a completely different experience. I have a nexus 1 and an iPhone. On paper, the nexus has better specs, but I find I almost always pick my iPhone to use.
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Once again, you can’t compare the Nexus One and the EVO. They have different UIs. The Incredible would be a more fair comparison.
 
nycbhh said:
And for those saying that EVO won’t appeal to the average consumer, I can’t help but think that the “average consumer” (and I count myself as one considering I still can’t tell you the difference between RAM and ROM) will find the idea of 4G at a considerably lower price than AT&T’s crawling 3G awfully appealing. After all, we’re the type of people that were attracted to the promise of higher speeds with the 3G iPhone two years ago.

Don't be so sure that Sprint won't charge a premium for their 4G access:

http://gizmodo.com/5511859/htc-evo-coming-to-sprint-in-june-4g-service-to-cost-10+20-extra-per-month

Advertised 3G speeds were AT&T's fault, not Apple's. I am still waiting for my 3GS to be able to run on AT&T's 7.2 mbps network....still waiting AT&T!
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I think specs help to get a general baseline understanding of something, if albeit piece of mind. However, how a company uses that resource is another thing entirely. Some android phones, from my experience, even at the same specs or higher, (droid, nexus one) are still not as fit n polished feeling as the iphone 3G. But apple, IMO is moving towards making computers and phones feel and act more like general appliances like toasters, blenders, tvs. Do specs matter for those devices? Sure, if you want a toaster that can do different levels or slices of toast, blenders that can make a smoothie out of a whole mango, or a tv that can blast at super clear quality colors and images. For those that care, specs can help them choose what they want, but what matters is that it's reliable and u can use it without having to fiddle with it. Turn on a tv, it works. Toss bread into a toaster, it works, turn on a phone...use it and it works and does what you want it to do.
 
Oh yes. How many times have I wished that my iPhone had an HDMI out. :rolleyes:

The screen is supposed to be great, but frankly I am pretty jazzed about the next iPhone.
 
cgrier said:
Which is why im considering a switch if the next iphone doesnt do anything different on the OS side of things. I'm soooo bored with this old layout/UI. I mean the lock screen could be utilized in so many different ways... messeges/top news/weather... make it so we can customize it
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I'm thinking this is how you should've started the thread.
 
I stand on iphone 4g

I have been complaining about the Iphone 3g/3gs size .. difficult to have tight grip, and hard to put in and take out the pocket. Now they made smaller (I NEVER EXPECTED IT) and I think Iphone 3g/3gs screen size was standard despite my hand size. I wonder will all the icons/app fit well with small screen but will probably go for iphone 4g now that it can fit on my hand and much more accessible ... well .. i will check evo 4g to see if the features can change my mind to switch for a large and inconvenient phone.
 
phrint said:
4G access cost:

http://gizmodo.com/5511859/htc-evo-coming-to-sprint-in-june-4g-service-to-cost-10+20-extra-per-month

Battery issues:

http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/03/24/device.set.for.sprints.wimax.network/


You can apologize any time now...
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Yes, I apologize that you misprinted $10 to $20 for $40 a month, and your second link showed no one knows what the battery life will be like instead of "terrible battery life". So you might want to read your link before misrepresendting with your own agenda.

I drink cool-aid along with other beverages thank you very much.
 
phrint said:
Don't be so sure that Sprint won't charge a premium for their 4G access:

http://gizmodo.com/5511859/htc-evo-coming-to-sprint-in-june-4g-service-to-cost-10+20-extra-per-month
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Yes, I saw that when you posted it earlier. Even if they do charge $20 more for 4G, it will still be cheaper for me than AT&T, and it will be 4G, not 3G. And it is just a rumor. The rumor on the EVO boards from the people that claim to work for Sprint is that they won't charge extra for 4G, just for the optional tethering service. If they are to be believed, it will be an extra $20 for tethering and could replace your cable broadband service if you'd like, which would save me an additional $30.

netdog said:
Oh yes. How many times have I wished that my iPhone had an HDMI out. :rolleyes:
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Nice way to completely overlook all the major features, such as 4G and tethering. That said, I do think the idea of showing HD video shot on the phone over my HDTV is a pretty cool feature.
 
3 killer apps on the EVO!

1. Mobile hotspot at 4G speed

2. Flash capable

3. Screen 4.3 inches

I will be waiting for real world comparison between the new iPhone and EVO this June.

If I don't get what I want from Apple, I will get the EVO.

In terms of Apple apps, I have the iPad
 
I think the iPhones are terrific phones, but they are not for me because of miserable AT&T coverage in my area.

As others have noted, the iPhones now have some serious competition, and what the iPhones offer is not nearly as unique as it was a year or so ago. Other manufacturers now offer phones with features very similar to those of the iPhone and for the moment, a few features that are better. That's the way it is supposed to be in a competitive world.

I've pre-ordered an HTC Verizon Incredible and should have it next week. I've waited a long time for Apple to expand its carriers list, but it hasn't. So, I won't be an iPhone customer, at least not for the foreseeable future.

Maybe I never will be. I expect these new phones offered by innovative manufacturers, like Apple, HTC, and others, will continue to advance, and the phones will become commodity products, all doing pretty much the same, with each having a couple of significant features the others might not have.

This is a good thing. We should welcome intelligent discussions of all these devices. Our input helps improve the breed, as it were.
 
hakr said:
I think the iPhones are terrific phones, but they are not for me because of miserable AT&T coverage in my area.

As others have noted, the iPhones now have some serious competition, and what the iPhones offer is not nearly as unique as it was a year or so ago. Other manufacturers now offer phones with features very similar to those of the iPhone and for the moment, a few features that are better. That's the way it is supposed to be in a competitive world.

I've pre-ordered an HTC Verizon Incredible and should have it next week. I've waited a long time for Apple to expand its carriers list, but it hasn't. So, I won't be an iPhone customer, at least not for the foreseeable future.

Maybe I never will be. I expect these new phones offered by innovative manufacturers, like Apple, HTC, and others, will continue to advance, and the phones will become commodity products, all doing pretty much the same, with each having a couple of significant features the others might not have.

This is a good thing. We should welcome intelligent discussions of all these devices. Our input helps improve the breed, as it were.
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Other than the hideous 'topographic' rear plate, the Incredible looks like a really great phone. Enjoy it! I'd like to hear how your day-to-day with it goes.

I'd honestly consider Android or WP7 phones if I weren't long bought-in to the iTunes ecosystem. Too much money spent on apps to jump ship now. ;)
 
cgrier said:
Let me say this......

The HTC Evo 4G features:

a 4.3-inch 800×480 capacitive TFT touchscreen with multitouch capabilities out of the box;
Android 2.1 OS with HTC Sense UI;
8-megapixel camera with LED flash and 720p HD video recording;
1.3-megapixel front-facing camera for video conferences;
1GB of flash memory where you can install apps;
512MB RAM;
1GHz Snapdragon processor;
802.11b/g WiFi;
GPS/aGPS with free turn-by-turn navigation;
Bluetooth 2.1 A2DP + EDR;
4G WiMAX technology / 3G EV-DO REV A;
FM Radio;
HDMI out port;
3.5mm headset jack;
microUSB port;
8GB microSD card out of the box (expandable up to 32GB);
Digital compass, G-sensor, Proximity sensor, and a Light Sensor;
1500mAh battery;

Apple... come on now, those hardware features already look like they're gonna kill the 4th gen iphone. Please tell me you have more up your sleeve and that the 4g we saw was an early adoption.
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Ok, you said it... now, my turn:

1. Would be nice to have higher res, but Apple isn't known to adopt somethings quickly.

2. 720p, nice, that would be better; however, it would look like crap. Why? The 8MP camera... This whole MP thing is like the MHz myth. More MP != better quality, it's the back sensor. That's why iPhone pictures look so vivid and semi-professional looking at low MP ratings.

3. Video Conference... 1.2MP will be more than enough. Also, bandwidth to upload will be limited, so in a sense, 1.3MP will go to waste..

4. 512MB RAM, yes, it will be nice, agreed.

5. 1GHz CPU, no Snapdragon. More like A1

6. We already have GPS, turn by turn is not Apple's fault, talk to Google why they don't allow Apple to use the API for Google's turn by turn.

7. Wi-Max? No thanks, thats dead tech.

8. HDMI, the phone isn't a computer.

9. FM, Pandora is waaay better.
 
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