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What really has me scratching my head is Peter Quinn's game. He is the CIA guy who shot up fellow agents, then shot himself during the Gettysburg bomb maker's raid. I had all most forgotten that from last season, but now I see he is showing interest in Carrie's well being.

My wife was irritated Carrie ended up back in the hospital as they-been-there-done-that before, but I believe this time it's more about the CIA locking her down and using her as their scape goat. What remains to be seen is what future role she plays inside or outside the CIA.
 
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Who is the group the wants to legally spring Carrie from the insane asyllum? She expressed her suspicions about being recruited.

I realize that the first 3 episodes from this season are setting up the continuation of the story, but it is on the slow side as compared to the last 2 seasons.
 
I think they are using a different kind of drama than they have used in the past. They are purposefully slowly breaking down both characters and the slow pace helps the audience share in the tense feelings of despair and frustration. The recurring hospitalization idea is actually very accurate in terms of what people with Bipolar Disorder face. One of the most common struggles with Bipolar is hitting the manic side of the disorder and feeling better. Often during this phase of things individuals will stop taking their meds because they feel they don't need them. An additional pressure is the stigma associated with being "dependent" on a mental health medication just to achieve "normal" functioning. As they have depicted this stigma would be even worse in the case of someone who worked for the CIA with all of the their restrictions and standards.
 
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mscriv said:
I think they are using a different kind of drama than they have used in the past. They are purposefully slowly breaking down both characters and they slow pace helps the audience share in the tense feelings of despair and frustration. The recurring hospitalization idea is actually very accurate in terms of what people with Bipolar Disorder face. One of the most common struggles with Bipolar is hitting the manic side of the disorder and feeling better. Often during this phase of things individuals will stop taking their meds because they feel they don't need them. An additional pressure is the stigma associated with being "dependent" on a mental health medication just to achieve "normal" functioning. As they have depicted this stigma would be even worse in the case of someone who worked for the CIA with all of the their restrictions and standards.
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I agree. My guess is that she will be out next episode. The first time she was hospitalized, I was surprised she found her way back to the CIA, that they allowed her to come back. They realized what an asset she was. But the current turn of event and her conflict with the CIA, I'll be surprised if she gets back in.

And I continue to wonder about Peter Quinn's game? It's very intriguing that they can show him kill good guys and then let it lay there for a season.
 
Huntn said:
Who is the group the wants to legally spring Carrie from the insane asyllum? She expressed her suspicions about being recruited.

I realize that the first 3 episodes from this season are setting up the continuation of the story, but it is on the slow side as compared to the last 2 seasons.
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I am wondering this aswell
 
Brody... he'll be back in the U.S.A. as soon as Carrie can prove he isn't a terrorist. But, how? I don't think he'll die before he can speak to his family again.
 
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Me neither!! They played us good. :p And now we know who the benefactors are who want to help a "down and out" CIA agent, lol. :)
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I knew Saul had a plan, and he wouldnt just throw Carrie under the bus like that, but what happened last night never crossed my mind, and Im usually real good at seeing what is going on. I had a thought about it when Carrie took the meeting, because she would never betray her country that way, but it was still a great twist at the end of the episode. Hate that BB is done, but so glad there are shows like Homeland and The Walking Dead still going on.
 
I figured it out halfway through this episode. Like I said in a previous post, what they were doing was a complete reversal from what they had been developing over the past two seasons. I couldn't shake that thought.
 
mscriv said:
I figured it out halfway through this episode. Like I said in a previous post, what they were doing was a complete reversal from what they had been developing over the past two seasons. I couldn't shake that thought.
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It was almost like been there done that, although real illness like this can result in multiple hospital visits, it does not make for good tv. But this time it seemed like they were using Carrie as their scape goat or so I was manipulated to think. :p I don't think Dar Adal (F. Murray Abraham) is in on this plot apparently hatched by Saul and Carrie. If so, it makes sense if you don't know who to trust in your agency...
 
I think I speak for everyone when I say: where was Brody? Are we going to do 2 family episodes for every one Brody episode till the finale? haha I don't really believe that they would buy it seems possible now.
 
MICHAELSD said:
I think I speak for everyone when I say: where was Brody? Are we going to do 2 family episodes for every one Brody episode till the finale? haha I don't really believe that they would buy it seems possible now.
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I was told that this show is about Carrie, that originally Brody was considered expendable? I've not verified that.
 
With this and Masters of Sex on Sunday night, Showtime is on a roll. The latest Homeland episode was a nail biter. Brody appears to be back on the team, but who knows what his real agenda is, or how long he will last?
 
Yep, I really enjoy Homeland. It hasn't disappointed me yet. I'm not sure I follow the current plan as part of it confuses me, but even when I think I know what's going on the show always has a way of keeping me guessing.
 
mscriv said:
Yep, I really enjoy Homeland. It hasn't disappointed me yet. I'm not sure I follow the current plan as part of it confuses me, but even when I think I know what's going on the show always has a way of keeping me guessing.
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My understanding is that the CIA turned the senior Iran intel officer (Majid Javadi) who came to the U.S. to meet with Carrie. They want to remove his boss because Javadi would be next in line to take the reigns giving them a mole at the top level in Iran intelligence. It was speculated that Brody with such notoriety, would have an opportunity to meet the head guy and... kill him? Probably not better to dwell on this aspect. ;) It is very unclear to me how the CIA or Brody could plan an escape they could count on. Practically, it seems like a one way mission to me. Consideration has to be given if Brody is honest or playing the CIA??
 
^^^ I understand this. My confusion comes in trying to figure out how they think Brody can waltz in saying I want asylum for bombing the CIA when the top terrorists they want him to get close to already know that he isn't the person who did it. Javadi knew Brody didn't do it so I can only assume that those above him in the chain of command also know that he didn't do it.
 
mscriv said:
^^^ I understand this. My confusion comes in trying to figure out how they think Brody can waltz in saying I want asylum for bombing the CIA when the top terrorists they want him to get close to already know that he isn't the person who did it. Javadi knew Brody didn't do it so I can only assume that those above him in the chain of command also know that he didn't do it.
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He may have not bombed the CIA, but he put on an explosive vest in an attempt to kill a group of high ranking U.S. officials. They (the enemy) know he tried, although it malfunctioned, so I don't know what they know about that. Since there is a world wide man hunt for him, I assume they'd think he's with them.
 
mscriv said:
^^^ I understand this. My confusion comes in trying to figure out how they think Brody can waltz in saying I want asylum for bombing the CIA when the top terrorists they want him to get close to already know that he isn't the person who did it. Javadi knew Brody didn't do it so I can only assume that those above him in the chain of command also know that he didn't do it.
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that is going to get real awkward! can't wait to see how they spin this one.
 
Man, what a %$#@^ episode! I knew Brody wasnt going to burn Carrie and the US again, and i knew he was going for the kill, but the my heart was beating fast while leading up to that moment. Man, I love this show!
 
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He may have not bombed the CIA, but he put on an explosive vest in an attempt to kill a group of high ranking U.S. officials. They (the enemy) know he tried, although it malfunctioned, so I don't know what they know about that. Since there is a world wide man hunt for him, I assume they'd think he's with them.
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that is going to get real awkward! can't wait to see how they spin this one.
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Since my question wasn't addressed at all in last night's episode I still remain a bit confused. My wife said she thinks it's a non issue and that the way terrorist cells operate independently that there wouldn't be "uniform knowledge" at the top, but I'm still confused because Javadi said he knew that Brody wasn't the Langley bomber.


The.316 said:
Man, what a %$#@^ episode! I knew Brody wasnt going to burn Carrie and the US again, and i knew he was going for the kill, but the my heart was beating fast while leading up to that moment. Man, I love this show!
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Yep, another awesome episode. The cliffhanger ending was exceptional and the montage preview with Brody voiceover that they played to advertise next week's season finale was really good.
 
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Realistically, I see Carrie Mathison as someone who would have been booted out of the CIA long ago. Saul recognizes her as a vital part to their operation, she has been right about a lot of things, and it's because of her that Brody went to Iran. However, despite this, even if her instincts tend to be right, she's too much of a wild cannon. She's emotionally invested in Brody and can be relied upon to disobey orders if she disagrees with them. They had to shoot her at one point... This does not mean I am not enjoying the show! :)

When they made the decision to terminate Brody, it can be argued that she knew him enough to know what he would not do, betray them. But as a viewer, it all seemed up in the air which way he would land.
 
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without spoiling the last episode...can anyone tell me how many more in this season?

I'm only one behind, like watching them in succession, easier on my brain!
 
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