HomePod HomePod Apple Developer Versions (HomePod Betas)

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  1. prasand, Feb 15, 2018
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    Hi,

    Just wanted to make note that the HomePod will allow Apple Developer iOS versions to be installed. If you’re an Apple Developer, just log into the Developer website using your iPhone or whatever iOS device you use to manage your HomePod. In the downloads section, add the iOS OTA Configuration profile for the latest iOS version (even if you already have the config profile installed on your current device).

    You will be asked if you want to install that profile to the HomePod, and after doing so you should be all set. The profile will be listed in the new “Profiles & Device Management” section of the HomePod’s settings (in the Home app), and updates are managed from the Home’s (Location) settings within the Home app.

    There currently aren’t any new updates, but I imagine we'll be given the opportunity to install / test the new betas as they become available. I unplugged my HomePod after installing the configuration profile, to make sure that it was applied, and also rebooted my phone to see if doing so might allow me to see new updates, but no dice so far. I imagine they’ll release an update soon.

    Happy Listening!
     
  2. maflynn Moderator

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    I'd rather wait for apple to roll out updates and not do a beta, i.e., risking bricking the speaker.
     
  3. prasand, Feb 16, 2018
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    Definitely understand the concern. Especially considering that the next update will be the first update, and they may have made coding mistakes in the update process. But I think that would be an easy replacement.
     
  4. Bfarmer38119 macrumors member

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    Definitely going to see something soon - or before June at the Developers conference or it wouldn't have a provisioning profile. They may even push updates like the AirPods.
     
  5. prasand thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Anyone who installed the iOS OTA Configuration profile for HomePod will need to remove it in order to be able to update the HomePod to iOS 11.3. I have no idea why the HomePod isn't seeing the update with the configuration profile installed, but I imagine there are kinks to work out with that.

    After you remove the configuration profile, when you go to the section of the Home app to update the HomePod, it might require that you check for an update twice. The first time I checked for an update it said that my HomePod was already using the latest version, but then I refreshed the page (by dragging down on the page), and then it detected the 11.3 update on the second try.

    I'll try the Configuration profile again when the next betas begin rolling out, to see what happens (to see if the configuration profile works correctly at that point), and will update this thread accordingly. But for now, keep the beta configuration profile off the HomePod.
     
  6. prasand thread starter macrumors 6502

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    I just installed the Developer version of iOS 11.4, and reinstalled the Configuration profile onto the HomePod, to see if there was an 11.4 Beta update for the HomePod. However, no dice. Initially it just searched for an update and didn't give the usual already up to date message, so I thought that was promising ... however it just continued to search for an update for 10 minutes. Then I rebooted the iPhone, and tried again. This time it said it was already up to date @ 11.3. I tried refreshing it a few times, unplugged the HomePod, disabled the auto update and tried again ... still no dice.

    I'll keep the Configuration Profile installed, and will update this thread if there are any changes.
     
  7. ProphetX macrumors 6502

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    Subscribed. I've got 3 homepods and im really wanting to mess around with airplay 2
     
  8. TigerMSTR macrumors regular

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    As far as I’m aware, there is no way to reset or reinstall iOS if the system software stops functioning for whatever reason, since there is no USB port. So I wouldn’t install beta software on the thing unless you have a genuine reason to.
     
  9. prasand, Apr 4, 2018
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    That's reasonable.

    I perceive that you're addressing non-developers, who might try to install it anyway through other means. For iOS developers, if they released a developer version for HomePod there's genuine reason to upgrade. And for developers covered by agreement, bricking is a non-factor aside the effort of having their HomePod replaced.

    Considerations were made when Apple deliberately did the coding work necessary to combine the developer configuration profile for HomePod with the iPhone's. The presentation of the HomePod's config profile didn't already exist in iOS, so it took additional effort and considerations. But they wanted developers to have easy access to it, and every new developer with a HomePod would see the prompt. So I see no cause for concern, as even without a developer agreement betas do not invalidate the Apple warranty. It's just a matter of effort.
     
  10. RamGuy macrumors 6502a

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    Why do people expect the iOS Profile to even work? There is absolutely no inidication, like zero pointing towards the iOS profile to be relevant for the HomePod. If there will ever be developer updates for the HomePod it will most likely have its own AudioOS profile just like the Apple TV has its own tvOS profile and the Apple Watch has its own watchOS profile.

    I doubt we'll see any developer beta's for the HomePod as there is really no point in having any. There is no software developer kits or anything for the HomePod/AudioOS so what exactly would developers need preview builds for? As its such a locked-down device without any clear way of restoring or downgrading from faulty updates I don't see why Apple would release pre-released software for it.
     
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    If the profile does not say “AudioOS Beta Software Profile”, you got the wrong one.
    If you do have one via an NDA, you can’t say anything.
     
  12. DeanLubaki macrumors 6502a

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    The iOS profile is not for the HomePod...
    The HomePod runs audioOS like the Apple TV runs tvOS
    Apple is likely not going to release any betas before the WWDC just like for the original Apple Watch.
     
  13. prasand, Apr 5, 2018
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    When installing the iOS Developer Configuration profile, it specifically asks if you would like to install it for the HomePod or the iPhone. If you install it for the HomePod, a new section appears in the HomePod's settings. So what you both are saying is speculation. The fact is, the iOS configuration profile was re-designed to work with the HomePod. This cannot be done with other OS' config profiles, nor does such an option exist. If the "audioOS Configuration Profile" theory was true, there wouldn't be a need to code the special case UI elements (they even coded a situation for multiple HomePods, which I was prompted to choose which HomePod I wanted to install it on). That's a lot of additional coding for a config profile that's not supposed to work for that device. It would have been simpler to just keep the config profiles separate. This was done deliberately by Apple (I assume they did it for convenience).

    Now, whether there will be betas prior to WWDC, remains to be seen, and you might be correct (in that there will not be any prior to that). But it's fact that the iOS Configuration profile applies to / works with the HomePod and was specifically re-designed to accommodate the HomePod.


    Here's screenshots / proof of its relevance:

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  14. RamGuy macrumors 6502a

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    It asks if I want to install it on my Apple Watch as well. Even when we have a watchOS profile. Its just a generic prompt.
     
  15. prasand thread starter macrumors 6502

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    I see. Just curious, have you ever tried installing a profile on another device? I mean, like when getting the iOS prompt, installing that on the Apple Watch.
     
  16. RamGuy macrumors 6502a

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    That works just fine, but it doesnt do anything. I can install the watchOS profile on iOS and my HomePod as well. Same with tvOS. They can all be installed cross the operating systems.
     
  17. Solver macrumors 6502a

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    Yes. The only noticeable effect seems to be preventing software updates on that device.
     
  18. ErikGrim macrumors 68040

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    This is correct. The prompt is generic. Do not install the wrong device profile on to the wrong device - all you will do is prevent future updates.

    You are going to need an audioOS profile for the HomePod.
     

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