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HomePod Firmware Suggests iPhone 8 Split Status Bar, Tap to Wake and No Touch ID Under Display

macduke said:
I designed some quick mock ups in this thread earlier today about the split status bar. Please check it out and post your feedback! https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/iphone-pro-top-notch-status-bar-mockup.2059382/
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Not bad at all!

Request: seems like Apple will cut off the all-black portion of the screen at the lower edge of the notch. Can you try this: make the split portions black (like we’ve seen already), keep the battery in the upper right, and put only the time in the upper left. Then, remove all other icons, and shift the main screen UI up to touch the bottom of the notch (like Solution 3). Makes sense? Can you please do this mock up? That’d be great!
 
I don't have an obsession with having more screen space, and if these rumors of no TouchID bear out, I am highly unlikely to upgrade to this less-capable device.

I don't want a virtual Home Button; I like the real physical button on my 6S Plus, thank you. I like that there is only one button on my iPhone and not a confusing array of buttons, but I like that it is a real button, and it is independent from the screen.

I've used other phones that have only capacitive buttons or, worse, only virtual areas on the screen where there are virtual buttons and they are less friendly to use and more complicated - needlessly.

I don't need more screen if it means sacrificing the button.

Apple is going to deliver a dud in my estimation - although I'm sure many will disagree, I'm just talking about it being a dud from my perspective.
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ThisBougieLife said:
Look, this phone's not going to have touch ID, it'll have facial recognition instead, it'll be the greatest thing ever, and everyone will buy it. Nothing to worry about :)
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Not everyone - count me out.
 
Jinjin said:
I just can't see how "faceID" would ever work as well as TouchID for Apple Pay. I now use apple Pay more than I ever use my contactless bank cards. Food & drink purchases during the day, payg on the tube, fuel... I can't get my head around how it work logistically.. So I would now place the phone on top of the rf reader/terminal and then lean over it so I'm looking down at it (or where most shops have them at hip/desk level) lean down so my face is in line with the device? its just bonkers... TouchID and the fingerprint technology underpins the confidence for banks to allow use of their payment cards with Apple Pay.. I know I work for one. They'll take a zero risk approach and not trust face Id is as secure as Touch ID until its tested and proven by themselves. This will likely mean a lot of banks not supporting apple pay from Day 1 on the new iPhone until they are convinced around the security framework it provides.
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Shaun said:
Facial recognition has already proven to be unreliable. Without Touch ID there is no Apple Pay.
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Passcode
 
trellus said:
I don't have an obsession with having more screen space, and if these rumors of no TouchID bear out, I am highly unlikely to upgrade to this less-capable device.

I don't want a virtual Home Button; I like the real physical button on my 6S Plus, thank you. I like that there is only one button on my iPhone and not a confusing array of buttons, but I like that it is a real button, and it is independent from the screen.

I've used other phones that have only capacitive buttons or, worse, only virtual areas on the screen where there are virtual buttons and they are less friendly to use and more complicated - needlessly.

I don't need more screen if it means sacrificing the button.
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I tend to agree with you. I'm not sure that facial recognition is ready for prime time yet. And I'm certainly not convinced that it will be better than TouchID.
 
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WilliamG said:
I've never been more worried about an iPhone release than I am this year. Face recognition is not a substitute for TouchID. It's just not. It's nothing to do with how good/bad the facial recognition is. Hell, it could work in the pitch black for all I care. It just kills so many of the uses many of us put our phone through without even thinking.

1.) The phone flat on the desk - unlocking with a finger. How will this work? Having to move my head over the phone for the camera to see me? OR using a passcode? OR reaching for an awkward rear-located TouchID sensor? Ugh..

2.) Having the phone unlocked before it's even out of my pocket? That goes away, too? (unless it's on the rear).

There are so many use cases where this is not a good change I can't even...

I'm trying to keep the faith in Apple, but this isn't really sounding good.
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Let's just wait and see before we are all doom and gloom. I am sure Apple has thought of the same things as you.
 
weup togo said:
I'm gonna laugh when WWDR yanks his developer access. There's no way to describe how mad marketing about this is right now.
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I doubt marketing is too mad or he gets developer access yanked. They've know about it and already started their PowerPoints, Ads and brochures. With a leak this far out it will soften the blow when the phone is announced and there is no TouchID under the screen better to take the hit now vs the day of the announcement.

Apple knows people are going to buy their product regardless, the new design pretty much guarantees that for this release but we're getting close IMO to where flagship phones have reached the point PC's have, and that is no need to upgrade except every couple of years.

I think that's why Apple is more focused on the 3D facial recognition and their ARkit to keep them out in front a little while longer.

They don't have to be first to the market with a FPS under the screen, they just need to make sure it works but who knows maybe it'll be a surprise and they intentionally left that part of the code out.
 
Weird question - Say the facial detection is a near instantaneous thing.... What is preventing somebody from grabbing your phone and holding it up to your face to unlock it. Not to sound crazy but that is much easier than grabbing somebody's hand and forcing their finger onto the home button, and I can actually see it being a problem.
 
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I think we should take a deep breath and just wait and see what Apple comes out with. All of our concerns, I am sure they have considered them as well. They have some smart people. Maybe you tap on the screen to activate the face ID and you just have to look at it. Who knows? Maybe it works really well and ends up being better than touch ID. We should give them a chance to present all of the details first though before getting up and arms and shouting that you won't be buying. They won't be bringing it back because you won't be buying.
 
weup togo said:
I'm gonna laugh when WWDR yanks his developer access. There's no way to describe how mad marketing about this is right now.
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That would be the worst move for Apple. This was their blunder, punishing a prominent developer for curiosity is a great way to lose dev support.
 
Otaviano said:
Failure of a post if you ask me.

The bar at the top will not be visible. The screen on either side will be black creating the illusion of a single black bar. That contains the the carrier info, wifi+cell signal on the left and the battery+Bluetooth on the right hand side.
The time is likely moved out of the top bar and accessible in Notification Center.

The phone will most likely be a premium phone with a higher price. It will not be their best selling phone ever as the price will prohibit it. There will be a new 7S and 7S Plus available alongside this device. This device will most likely be called iPhone Pro. Allowing them to test new technologies which they can’t get at scale needed to go into the mainstream iPhone product.

In regards to TouchID, regardless of it’s inclusion in this device the technology is not going anywhere. It is literally front and center in the new app store design when you purchase something. From that I think we can deduct that TouchID will either be on this device or be coming to a rivision of this device when it can be implemented under the screen. I do not believe that FaceID will roll down to the mainstream iPhones because if that was the case why make the TouchID icon so prominent in the new app store purchasing screen?

Also no matter how good the facial recognition become it will never be as good and convenient as a finger print. The fingerprint is unique, it does not change, and is literally in contact with the device while in use. Compared to facial recognition which has to deal with so many issues. From bad camera angles and lighting. To people’s appearance changing. What happens if I shave my beard off? What if a person has long hair and cuts it razor short. Colors their hair? I think overtime the iPhone will have both facial recognition and fingerprint scanning.

Finally I just got to say it ... get over the headphone jack already.
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Never. I need a headphone jack. I currently use an SE because it has one and after 10 years I am contemplating moving to Android in the future for lack of one. Different strokes.

Releasing a 7S alongside an entirely new redesign is also a poor business choice and yet another failure IMO.
 
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MacRumors said:



Firmware for the as-of-yet unreleased HomePod has provided a wealth of information on the speaker itself and the upcoming iPhone 8, thanks to developers like Steven Troughton-Smith who have spent time digging into the code.

Troughton-Smith shared a few new prospective iPhone 8 features and predictions this evening, once again sourced from the HomePod firmware, giving us even more insight into the radically redesigned iPhone Apple plans to release in 2017.

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Maybe I missed it but you guys didn't catch that the resolution of the screen was discovered also? It's 3x the current resolution of the iPhone 7 at 1125x2436 (521ppi Retina Display).

https://www.theverge.com/circuitbre...ak-homepod-resolution-rumor-3x-retina-display
 
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Samsung:

Touch sensor on the wrong side
Primative facial recognition
Iris scanner that is tedious to use

All that crap in one phone so you can choose the least headache to meet your needs.

Apple will simply skate to where the puck is going, not where it has been and deliver the next defacto standard for verifying your identity. Touch ID is so good that folks have a hard time seeing life without it. Just wait and see what comes next.
 
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I can handle no Touch ID under the display. BAck of the phone is fine for me. But no Touch ID at all might be a problem. I'm not too keen on facial recognition only and I'm less keen on typing a password every damn time.

I have to admit I was excited about losing the home button but much less so if it's the death of Touch ID altogether.
 
This is such BS. There is no way you can tell from HomePod's OS if the iPhone 8 is going to have TouchID or not. It's just complete BS. Shame on MacRumors for posting garbage.
 
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No Touch ID is a no buy for me. There are too many situations where Touch ID is necessary. Like while I’m driving and I need to open phone and activate a specific app via Siri.

Facial ID means I will have to hold the phone in my hand in violation of NYS traffic laws. No thanks.
 
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Well, if the FaceID works better and more securely than any other implementations in smartphones today, it is likely that people will not miss TouchID that much.

And if there is any silver lining to no TouchID, I'd say it is better availability of iPhone 8, if the under-display TouchID was the only challenge and reason for short supply at launch.

It's August, so we won't have to wait much longer to see how it is. Still, I bet that people on the iOS team are getting a lot of heat for these leaks... Who's the head of the team, is it Graig? Or perhaps it was "Intentionally Apple" to get heated free publicity as the release nears.
 
Aside from the normal disappointment over loss of TouchID, and ignoring concerns about how well the facial recognition will work (particularly from a security perspective), my big issue with this is purely logistical. I use Pay a lot, and frequently in places where the reader requires me to reach (e.g. going through a drive through) or is at a potentially awkward height (e.g. QT / Loves / etc. where it's on top of the counter). In those cases it will be impossible to hold the phone near the reader *and* let it scan my face at the same time.

HOPEFULLY Apple has really thought this through. I'm running a 6+ with issues and am anxiously awaiting the day I can upgrade. :)
 
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2010mini said:
No Touch ID is a no buy for me. There are too many situations where Touch ID is necessary. Like while I’m driving and I need to open phone and activate a specific app via Siri.

Facial ID means I will have to hold the phone in my hand in violation of NYS traffic laws. No thanks.
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Are the laws different in the US? In the UK you can not touch your phone at all when driving. Nor should you.
With facial recognition you will be able to unlock it without touching anything. If anything thatsa easier.
 
trellus said:
Meh, I rarely use Apple Pay, anyway. It's slower than using my bank card and I have to think about it to remember how to use it.

It just isn't as intuitive as a bank card. It feels clumsy and I don't get the benefit.
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It's literally placing your finger on a button. Tough to remember.
 
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