HomePod Firmware Suggests iPhone 8 Split Status Bar, Tap to Wake and No Touch ID Under Display

[recoil80]

works if you have a watch (probably the master plan to increase their sales? )

A change of UX would be on the cards yes, but the way you describe it just slows it all down. at the moment the software knows if the phone is near the RF reader and flips to the wallet and detects your fingerprint without me having to do anything apart from resting my finger on the home button.

I've only paid once via the iPhone, as I always use AW.
I agree on the fact that it would be quite slower than touchID, but still usable in my opinion and better than a card since you don't need to enter the pin.

The convenient stuff about using the Watch is you don't have to reach for your wallet or iPhone and that would be great on the tube because taking the wallet or the phone off your pocket in a crowded place is less secure than simply tapping on your wrist. If only the public transit in Milan would support that...
I guess on the tube something like the oyster card will always be faster than an iPhone, but as I said the Watch would be even faster. Too bad is not widespread as the iPhone

 

[iEnvy]

After all these years, you guys think Apple will just abandon Touch ID.. you think they're going to force facial recognition for Apple Pay? That's counterintuitive. That would be no where as fast as just tapping your finger, no matter how good it is.

 

[yanksfan114]

People who fell for the rumor has no one to blame but themselves to be set up for disappointment.

Qualcomm just demoed it in a product this summer. How was this not a reliable thing to believe that they could do?

 

[mox358]

Can’t disagree more you listed one thing that this phone is supposed to have. Add on top better stereo speakers, better higher res display(more PPI), maybe promotion, better battery(7plus battery in a smaller frame), Facial recognition that’s actually secure, wireless charging better camera with better features. Sounds to me like you want this to be a bad release. If all this comes to past I’ll be ready cash in hand.

To the contrary, I want this to be a great release. I develop iOS apps so the more iPhone owners the better.

However the items you listed are a lot of maybes, and when do ALL the rumors pan out? I can't remember a single year that's happened. Maybe 1 or 2 things off your list will come to pass.

They've already pushed wireless charging back I believe, the security of the face ID is still in question (I believe another poster said it couldn't be used for Apple Pay) and we haven't heard much about promotion at all.

However I believe it will have an upgraded camera for AR and the OLED display will look great.

If this phone is a good fit for you that's awesome, I personally just feel like we're going one step forward and two steps back.

But maybe Apple knocks it out of the park, no one knows yet..

 

[Saipher]

No Touch ID huh? I might have to hold out until "iPhone 8S" in 2018, but again, there are no guarantees Touch ID will come back. Maybe Apple will phase out Touch ID and replace it with facial recognition across the board. Maybe Macs are next?

 

[nicho]

So the on / off button is going back to the top?

volume buttons on one side. lock button (on/off button as you call it) on the other side, but elongated, and this is where potentially touch ID will be integrated. no home button.

 

[iapplelove]

Touch ID isn't going away. It's on the iPad and I'm sure will stay in the iPhone. I posted this yesterday but possibly 2 forms of identity security ?

 

[McFlyOz]

There's a couple things I don't understand about this leak.

1. Why would they introduce tap to wake when we already have raise to wake?
Unless it will replace raise to wake?

2. If the home button is hidden sometimes then how do you exit an app?
Do you pinch to close like on an iPad? Or maybe you swipe from the bottom to reveal the "home area" with the home button, similar to swiping up to reveal the dock on iOS 11 on an iPad Pro?

You, sir, make good points! The tap to wake would be excellent on the HomePod as it has no camera or accelerometer to wake it in a raised state or with an ugly mug. Tap to wake might be fine on a phone but it makes sense on a stationary device.

As for the lack of a home button, it could be a virtual one but there may be some extra swipeys that will be done on the new phone for closing apps etc.

There is another possibility here and it is that this OS is more tailored to the HomePod so exclusions/inclusions will be for it rather than iPhones and iPads. I think we ha e 6 weeks to digest all these rumours and then be blown away, balls style, when Tim gets that ape, Philistine Schnillhead, to talk in a monotonous tone about specs and make me want to burn my face off with a Note7 WMD.

 

[lverg]

What if they've found a way to make the phone know when you're not the one using it? Like authorisation on the Apple Watch when you put it on your wrist so the watch knows making payments and all is safe.

 

[ILikeAllOS]

Surprisingly, he still believe there's a chance Touch ID will be on the next iPhone 8

That's because he misunderstood that one tweet he referenced.
The tweet said that the firmware still supports TouchID, not that the iPhone Pro supports TouchID.
That's because the firmware runs on both the iPhone Pro and the iPhone 7s which will of course only support TouchID, just like the previous iPhone models.

 

[nicho]

What if they've found a way to make the phone know when you're not the one using it? Like authorisation on the Apple Watch when you put it on your wrist so the watch knows making payments and all is safe.

Like the xiaomi and the xiaomi band did like 3 years ago?

 

[dantracht]

I find all this quite comforting. Every year the rumors send us all into a tizzy, every year we all get upset about certain aspects of the new phone, and every year we all buy it anyway.

I, for one, will be happily buying a top of the line 7S+ with (hopefully) 512gb of storage space.

Staying far away from this 8/pro/edition/ludicrous speed version iPhone until next year when they work the kinks out of it.

 

[OldSchoolMacGuy]

iOS11 has been available since WWDC. I don't understand why any of those details were not discovered there. If they were not there, why would they add them right now?

Most often, details related to the next unannounced iPhone have been removed from the beta OS releases. This is because they're relevant to the features of the new phone but the current phones don't use them and as such they can be removed without issue.

This is true of even the release firmware as there's no need to package in a bunch of extra code that doesn't even apply to the device. This is why your iOS update is a different size on an iPhone 6 than on an iPhone 7, even though they're receiving the same OS version.

With the HomePod software, it's clear the device will need that additional information in order to interact properly with the future iPhone, which is why it's included in the OS software.

 

[bbplayer5]

The iris scanner on the S8 works well, unless you have glasses and are in sunlight. Hopefully whatever Apple did with this phone is superior.

 

[stanman64]

There's a couple things I don't understand about this leak.

1. Why would they introduce tap to wake when we already have raise to wake?
Unless it will replace raise to wake?

2. If the home button is hidden sometimes then how do you exit an app?
Do you pinch to close like on an iPad? Or maybe you swipe from the bottom to reveal the "home area" with the home button, similar to swiping up to reveal the dock on iOS 11 on an iPad Pro?

These are very good questions, and part of the reason why I believe this "leak" isn't as substantial as everyone is making it out to be.

In addition to the points you made, here's mine: Why would all of this juicy info be contained in the firmware for the HomePod? If anything, we should have already seen it leak in iOS 11's code.

edit: I'm by no means an expert, so I could be totally wrong.

 

[Loge]

The iris scanner on the S8 works well, unless you have glasses and are in sunlight.

Right, so I just use it in winter then.

 

[mactipple]

Let's be truthful here; if it doesn't have Touch ID, they have balls. Simply put, I can't imagine a more risky move, irrespective of any newer methodology. Touch ID works perfectly and is known by hundreds of millions. To drop it is absolutely otherworldly.

Agreed, it would seem insane to simply replace it with facial recognition. The more logical step is to have both authentication methods available, then drop Touch ID eventually after letting millions of people effectively beta-test facial recognition (or whatever other crazy new biometric method comes along).

 

[apolloa]

This 'no Touch ID' is nothing more then an assumption, a pure guess, taken simply because their is no mention of the words 'Touch ID' in this firmware. It is NOT conclusive proof in the slightest. Nothing will be known until Apple tell everyone.

 

[joueboy]

We heard rumors that Apple struggled to put an in-display TouchID for iPhone 8. When this product comes out without TouchID, Apple will be convincing people that face recognition is a better technology than TouchID. As of now people already convinced themselves in this forum that face recognition is already better. Makes me think if this people convincing us works for the Apple. You know kinda ease up the tension before they announce it. Articles upon articles is already popping out too so I wouldn't be surprised if people will praise Apple for this. That's the power of marketing I guess.

 

[AirunJae]

It’ll be back under the screen next week.

Wouldn't be surprised. Could be like portrait mode, the hardware is present but the software needs a little more time.

 

[RamGuy]

The iris scanner on the S8 works well, unless you have glasses and are in sunlight. Hopefully whatever Apple did with this phone is superior.

A huge portion of the population uses glasses so that's a huge blow right there. How does it fare with lenses? And there is a lot of days during the year with bright sunlight and according to people it doesn't work that great in the dark either? We are really starting to limit the usefulness.

I would love FaceID as something to have in addition to TouchID. As there are situations where TouchID isn't ideal, like when wearing gloves or when you are wet / greasy on your fingertips. Another issue with FaceID is how you could easily trick the phone into unlocking without you meaning it to. If I grab someones phone, and just turn it to face said person what is preventing it from unlocking? It's not that hard taking someone phone at making it face them to unlock, while grabbing their finger and making it touch the TouchID button is a tad bit more difficult.


But only time will tell. I don't have a hard time figuring Apple didn't manage to put TouchID under the display. That's a hard thing to get done in the quantities that is required for this phone considering how popular it's going to be. But then they should at least add it somewhere else on the phone instead of scrapping it all together. Sure, none of us want to have it on the back but God I'll take it on the back instead of no TouchID at all.

 

[nicho]

A huge portion of the population uses glasses so that's a huge blow right there. How does it fare with lenses? And there is a lot of days during the year with bright sunlight and according to people it doesn't work that great in the dark either? We are really starting to limit the usefulness.

I would love FaceID as something to have in addition to TouchID. As there are situations where TouchID isn't ideal, like when wearing gloves or when you are wet / greasy on your fingertips. Another issue with FaceID is how you could easily trick the phone into unlocking without you meaning it to. If I grab someones phone, and just turn it to face said person what is preventing it from unlocking? It's not that hard taking someone phone at making it face them to unlock, while grabbing their finger and making it touch the TouchID button is a tad bit more difficult.


But only time will tell. I don't have a hard time figuring Apple didn't manage to put TouchID under the display. That's a hard thing to get done in the quantities that is required for this phone considering how popular it's going to be. But then they should at least add it somewhere else on the phone instead of scrapping it all together. Sure, none of us want to have it on the back but God I'll take it on the back instead of no TouchID at all.

Maybe there'll be an unlock pattern. 2 winks and a blink.

 

[Quu]

No TouchID no sale. I do not trust the facial recognition stuff enough sorry Apple.

 

[michael31986]

Touch ID on the back?

 

[christo747]

Look, this phone's not going to have touch ID, it'll have facial recognition instead, it'll be the greatest thing ever, and everyone will buy it. Nothing to worry about

Not true. Facial Recognition has many disadvantages (darkness, direction sensors are pointing) and no advantages. A new technology replacing the one before should always be better for customers.