Why would the HomePod even need any kind of biometric verification? The fact it's there is solely because of the iPhone, nothing else.
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HomePod Firmware Suggests iPhone 8 Split Status Bar, Tap to Wake and No Touch ID Under Display
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Why would the HomePod even need any kind of biometric verification? The fact it's there is solely because of the iPhone, nothing else.
I've begun to feel this way about a lot of technology. I used to want the latest and greatest no matter what. Now I like waiting. When the 7 came out, I got the 6S because looking a year back it looked like it held up as a solid phone. I will probably get the 7+ when the 8 begins shipping, because it seems like a great camera upgrade. If the 8 isn't so great or has a few flaws, I have no qualms with waiting for the next one. Having a year of early adopters to test everything and let me know all the pros and cons is pretty helpful
I feel the same way about laptops and gaming consoles too. Indeed the only thing this strategy doesn't really work for is TVs.
The responses in this thread are truly amazing. I guess I shouldn't be surprised by MR forums though...
I mean, the assumptions everyone is making without even seeing what Apple has in store. Do we already forget how terrible fingerprint readers were prior to Touch ID?
Have all of your already seen Apple's implementation of facial recognition enough so that you can arrive at these conclusions?
How do you know what disadvantages there are without seeing Apple's implementation of facial recognition? Considering what we've seen with ARkit on existing hardware I'm sure a newer device with 3D and IR sensors they could have some crazy implementation ready.
I mean, the assumptions everyone is making without even seeing what Apple has in store. Do we already forget how terrible fingerprint readers were prior to Touch ID?
Have all of your already seen Apple's implementation of facial recognition enough so that you can arrive at these conclusions?
How do you know what disadvantages there are without seeing Apple's implementation of facial recognition? Considering what we've seen with ARkit on existing hardware I'm sure a newer device with 3D and IR sensors they could have some crazy implementation ready.
No TouchID embedded behind the screen? Okay, I can believe that's not ready so Apple won't have it.
No TouchID at all? Nope, I don't believe that.
No TouchID at all? Nope, I don't believe that.
WAIT!! If HomePod has iOS 11 then it uses the software that iPhone 7S, 7S Plus & iPhone "Edition" will be running.
iPhone 7S and 7S Plus WILL have TouchID, so why the software doesn't show any information about it? Maybe Apple hid the TouchID details or removed them until September.
LETS WAIT AND SEE!
iPhone 7S and 7S Plus WILL have TouchID, so why the software doesn't show any information about it? Maybe Apple hid the TouchID details or removed them until September.
LETS WAIT AND SEE!
The firmware does show Touch ID for all supported iPhone models, except for the 'D22 OLED iPhone' that's referenced in the firmware...
The solution is to stick the reader on the back like Samsung had to do after its attempt to get an under-the-screen solution failed in time for production. It will be really strange if they simply do away with it for one phone or generation, only to bring it back under-the-screen. Facial or whatever is fine 99% of the time if it works instantly and reliably, but I'd be surprised if the banking world would be ready to sign off on it. Someone in the security world must know about this stuff, I can't imagine there not being a standards board for stuff like this.
I don't mind the cutout at the top for an OLED phone since we notice the cutout. I do continue to have an issue with the small bezels that have been shown. Edge-to-edge screen should be legitimately the whole front of the phone. You'd think Apple could do better than the other manufacturers out there, but they aren't ahead of the industry by a year like they used to be. No one else has done true edge-to-edge so they probably can't do it yet either.
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I don't mind the cutout at the top for an OLED phone since we notice the cutout. I do continue to have an issue with the small bezels that have been shown. Edge-to-edge screen should be legitimately the whole front of the phone. You'd think Apple could do better than the other manufacturers out there, but they aren't ahead of the industry by a year like they used to be. No one else has done true edge-to-edge so they probably can't do it yet either.
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But if it lacks touch-id, it would have tp use facial scanning or whatever that's also not referenced (to my understanding). So, maybe rather than lacking touch-id this suggests it wasn't yet decided upon (or released to developers).
I think Samsung's left a horrible taste in people’s mouths and therefore it is hard to understand the progression Apple has made with camera and AI technology in the last couple years.
For example: The camera sees depth, not just a flat face. It has a wide range. It doesn't use the visible light spectrum to do its work. Even though these things are confirmed to work in this way, these are things that people have never seen in a facial unlock so it's hard to imagine.
I agree: People forget that Touch ID's implementation was entirely new, so much that the industry couldn't believe it and it took several years for manufacturers to catch up. Not to mention, if Apple is willing to remove TouchID (still one of the best auth sensors out there), this method must have made it redundant.
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Honestly, I'd be fine with the FP sensor being on the back, embedded into the Apple logo to preserve the phone's aesthetics. I really don't think that facial recognition is ready for prime time yet.
I'm not sure if this would even work, but just putting it out there, what if the front facing camera on the iPhone 8 can ALSO be used as the touch ID sensor? That the infrared part of it is able to scan your finger in a similar way the current set up works?
Right there with you on this ^^^. Will likely have to think long and hard about upgrading. Wasn't really even planning to upgrade to the iP7 when they dropped the headphone port. Only reason I did was because of the trade in program Tmobile was offering where you got a free iP7 if you traded in an iP6 or newer and I happened to have a extra iP6 sitting unused in a drawer. Otherwise, I would still be using my iP6S.
Rumor says the Note 8 won't have the FPS under the screen. Makes sense also.
They will save that feature for the S9 announcement which gets more fanfare than the Note series.
I also suspect that Samsung since they're doing the screens knew the FPS under the screen wouldn't make the iPhone this year and rather than rush and try to get it out in the Note 8 they'll announce it will their S9 series and still have it out before Apple.
Lot's of Sheep in the grass.
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That was really Dark.
I disagree. Apple has arrived at the point where their iPhone business can no longer continue to grow at the rate it has grown in the past decade. There are literally no more carriers and countries left for them to expand into.
Expanding the iPhone line to include a higher priced Pro device alongside the normal and plus models allows them to continue to grow iPhone revenue at least in the short term.
Apple is also in an interesting position where the success of the iPhone works against them. The economies of scale normally work to their advantage. However when it comes to new and emerging technologies it can work against them because certain components simply can not be manufactured in the numbers needed to go into the mainstream iPhone product. Creating a premium (pro model) allows them to use and invest in emerging technologies that they would normally have to wait on or pass up if it was for an iPhone that needs be produced by the hundreds of millions.
Long term this new strategy will be very successful ensuring Apple can introduce emerging technologies and bring down the pipeline into the mainstream iPhone models. Giving them the time needed to ramp up production and diversify component manufacturers helping to insure they are not overly dependent on any one company.
Who says Apple is rushing to get the new iphone out? I'm pretty sure they had Plan A, Plan B and probably a Plan C release depending on where they were in development.
Putting FPS under the screen isn't going backwards. We may know it as TouchID today but in the future Apple may call it something else although it does the same thing as the TouchID in the Home button.
Problem is Apple Pay kind of does require TouchID, or at least some sort of fingerprint scanner. I can't imagine banks and credit card companies being comfortable with people having the ability to make purchases or entering their apps by scanning a face, and not entering a password or scanning a fingerprint.
Also, imagine how awkward Apple Pay will be to use when making purchases in store. You have to scan your face while making the purchase...
Really? This is from Apple themselves:
"Every transaction on your iPhone, iPad, or Mac requires you to authenticate with Touch ID or your passcode"
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201469
ApplePay (jeez, hopefully for the last time) does not require TouchID or any fingerprint scanner.
Completely agree with your post that it doesn't require TouchID (as per Apple's own support doc), but taking away TouchID, wouldn't the process actually be quicker by using a contact-less card? I just feel that taking away TouchID in entirety actually puts Apple Pay at a disadvantage to normal contact-less cards...*
*For in-store purchases at least.
Are you still in the denial phase or is this your anger phase?
Eventually you'll get to the acceptance part.