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You really want battery powered speakers? Plug them into a charger every few hours? I mean they are not headphones, they are proper speakers making proper noise and needing proper power.

Movie night in the backyard? On a campout? How about just a backyard party? Sure... I could run extension cords, but that's not a particularly friendly approach. Of course, this is a fringe scenario... and Apple doesn't do fringe.
 
I have an older TV with an Apple TV and the HomePod is still a nightmare to use with the set up. You are always having to re-pair them.
 
The HomePod has six speakers built in. So you should be able to get not-very-good 5.0 out of one HomePod, and quite decent 5.0 out of two HomePods.
lol yeah. How to get full surround sound in a limited space.
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If they continue to add features by software, there doesn't seem to be a need for HomePod 2 any time soon?

From these perspectives it seems like a v2 is needed - these can't be done in software:
1. HomePod mini was released in Fall 2020 and HomePod is from 2017.
2. No UWB.
3. An A8 vs something more modern.
4. Only 1GB RAM.
5. I doubt Thread will be on the HomePod given it seems to need a separate transmitter.

In short, parity on some areas with the Mini, and updates for the rest of the components.

To me it seems like a no brainer to have an update for the old HomePod, whether it is a v2 or v 1.1.
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It's great that we're talking about stereo pairing HomePods. But somebody needs to get one of the Apple higher ups to go on the record with an explanation of why Apple still doesn't support using stereo paired HomePods as an output device on a Mac computer. Stereo pairing was a feature introduced with AirPlay 2. But more than two years after the rollout of AirPlay 2, Apple still hasn't added AirPlay 2 support to the Mac OS. I think we deserve an answer from Apple as to why.
There's a lot of things the consumer deserves answers for when it comes to big companies but this forum tends to feel a bit too entitled. Expecting a "big wig" to come out and explain speakers is being too entitled.
 
The two speakers won’t be able to be set up so that one plays ONLY the left channel sounds, while the other speaker ONLY plays the right.

Can't you create a set of stereo pairs for each room, and then put all those speakers in the same room? So then you'll have say 2 speakers doing the left channel sounds, and 2 other speakers doing the right channel sounds.

They do need to be perfectly synched for that to sound right (no pun) though.
 
There’s basically zero chance that they’re enlisting the help of the TV’s speaker - the sound would be slightly different from every TV (one has more beefy speakers, another has crappy tinny speakers because they assume you’re going to get a sound bar, etc.), how would they balance that with their carefully controlled HomePod output? How would they account for the differing amounts of lag between the HomePods vs the TV’s speakers?

Actually this already works, as I'm using it today. The difference of lag is handled by the audio sync feature of the ATV. It plays a sound, which you measure with the help of an iPhone. It calibrates all speakers based on that.

In the ATV audio menu you can select which speakers you want to use for sound, and you can select all speakers that it found at the same time. With this setup I use the sound of my Sony A1 TV together with two HomePods. Indeed, of you don't sync it sounds horrible, but after you sync it's perfect.

My hope would be that they can use this exact setup that's already working today, but then use my TV speakers for center, and the two HomePods for left and right.
 
Home theatre in its' most basic guise is 5 seperate speakers and five seperate sound signals [3 in front of the listener and two behind the listener to give the listener the sense of sound passing over and around them, e.g. like a plane flying over you etc], a 5.0 system; more often or not as a minimum you would add a subwoofer [for bass], i.e. 5.1. Once you consider bigger rooms and things like Dolby Atmos you have more speakers at height in front and behind the listener, plus often speakers directly above the listener and more subwoofers. Home theatre as apposed to a real theatre [which might have 30-40 speakers to give you that big sound]

A mini connected to Apple TV or a TV is not home theatre..it would just be an alternate speaker to the ones in your TV and probably sound little better since your TV will have at least two speakers [left and right] so you would get some seperation and spacial awareness.

Wow, thank you for the great explanation! Makes a lot of sense now. I wonder why they didn't talk about this (or maybe I just missed it :)).
 
Official homepod + Apple TV support—this is great news! Let’s hope it’s the real deal and not half baked.
 
Actually this already works, as I'm using it today. The difference of lag is handled by the audio sync feature of the ATV. It plays a sound, which you measure with the help of an iPhone. It calibrates all speakers based on that.

In the ATV audio menu you can select which speakers you want to use for sound, and you can select all speakers that it found at the same time. With this setup I use the sound of my Sony A1 TV together with two HomePods. Indeed, of you don't sync it sounds horrible, but after you sync it's perfect.

My hope would be that they can use this exact setup that's already working today, but then use my TV speakers for center, and the two HomePods for left and right.
How does ATV detect available speakers?
Does it ask AV receiver, how many speakers are used?
 
i dont even get what that means. What is stereo-pair and what is the difference to multi-room?

Like lets say I have a HomePod in the living room and a HomePod Mini in the bathroom and bedroom. Am I able to play the same song at the same time through all devices or not?

Yes. Paring for a stereo pair is not available as in if you set a Regular Home pod and a mini in the same room and want one to act as the left channel and the other as the right channel that won't work. You can do that with two mini's or two regular, but you can't mix and match for that use case.
 
There’s one big problem with these ”immersive” speakers and home theater: center channel should not be immersive, it should be very directional.
And you can’t do that very efficiently with some imaginary virtual speaker.
 
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Does anybody here mix different wired speakers for left-right stereo pairs? Say...an Klipsch speaker for the left speaker and a Kef speaker for the right?

While I do not think that it makes sense to do stereo pairs with different speakers, if one is using computational audio to characterize both the room and the other speakers, it would certainly be possible to build a model that would make up for much (some?, all? most?) of the differences. Just as one can generate spatial audio with only two speakers using computational audio, one could build other models that did other things.
 
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Keep in mind that Dolby Atmos here would really only consist of the object-oriented audio portion of Atmos. The HomePods aren't physically capable of mimicking height channels.

Do you have more than two ears? :) If you are like most humans, you localize sound based on differences between how the audio is received in each ear. A pair of speakers with a good processing model can generate spatial audio (see the Dolby Atmos headphones as an example). It is certainly easier to do with more speakers in more locations (as one needs to do less work), but one can generate pretty amazing results with just two speaker positions.
 
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Movie night in the backyard? On a campout? How about just a backyard party? Sure... I could run extension cords, but that's not a particularly friendly approach. Of course, this is a fringe scenario... and Apple doesn't do fringe.
Get the Teufel 1,000 Watt bluetooth speaker. Connects to your car battery. So you can leave it running for hours if you let the car engine run. Comes with wheels because it's too heavy to carry. I think built-in batteries last about two hours.
 
HomePod is being called HomePod (2018) on Apple’s site. I wonder if an update to the original is expected. Adding the U1 chip to enable the better Handoff would be small enough to have been excluded from any announcement.

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To bad i wont buy one as audio get out of sync all the time no matter what app i use on apple tv to watch video or movies not worth 400 for two if thats the case

They now have a calibration feature that should fix that. It is under settings->audio/video.
 
Any hope for Home Theater Support for Apple TV 4 HD (not 4K)?

HD can’t do Dolby so I’m going to bet there no hope.

Wait, does the Home Theater support only work for the Apple TV 4K? I have the HD version since I don't have a 4K TV yet.

HD can’t do Dolby.

I have an older TV with an Apple TV and the HomePod is still a nightmare to use with the set up. You are always having to re-pair them.

That had nothing to do with your old TV. That was just an issue with using HomePods as your TV speakers. That’s largely been fixed with tvOS 14.
 
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