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darwichee90

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How come when everyone is so excited about their purchases that they are automatically willing to ignore big mistakes, and ready to lie to them self, just to justify their purchases? This is really pissing me off. I just recived my Macbook pro 16, and surley it has everything that it´s written in macumors users.

1. Some hissing cat sound, i guess this is the harddrive
2. The screen is really dimm, not as bright as the 2018/2019 macbook pro 15, and i´m not even a pro user, i noticed it directly when started web browser.
3. And offcourse, the crazy popping noise in youtube when changing between tracks.

This can´t be something minor, or something happening to few users, so f##k every reviewer out there in youtube, that´s ignoring this, just because they got their laptop for free from Apple.
 

Jimmy James

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It’s a design and value improvement over the last model.

People either aren’t affected by the issues, don’t care, or they’re lying to themselves. Not everyone is as rational as you. Most of the rest of the population lives in an emotionally flawed realm. Just look at what people do and tolerate in relationships.
 

impulse462

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i suggest you dont watch or at least take any of these youtube videos seriously. theyre all scripted and no one says anything bad about anything.

i have all 3 of those things (although hard to tell about the screen)
 

turbineseaplane

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The 2016 I think is enjoying FAR less scrutiny than it otherwise would simply because they finally fixed the keyboard fiasco.

I mean honestly, other than the keyboard being fixed/different -- it got an upgrade to cooling and an internal spec bump.

It's basically the same machine as before, but with a barely larger screen, that many say, side by side, is not as good quality as the 15" screen panels from 2016-2019.

It's truly just the MBP that should have been released in 2016.
 

Austin Nguyen

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Hey have you tried turning off True Tone? That was the first thing I did and it really helped with the brightness issue! As for the popping noise I’m sure it can be fixed with an update, at least that’s what I’m banking on, the popping is really annoying. I’m just gunna live with the coil noise 😂
 
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Falhófnir

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As others have said, the fact they've fixed the big, glaring issue that was the keyboard has kind of eclipsed any of the newer machines own set of issues somewhat. Also being still quite new out these problems will take time to come to light as being inherent or common failure points. It took the keyboard a while to start being recognised as prone to failure.
  1. I'm guessing you're talking about coil whine? It's something that can always rear it's head with just about any electronic device, it's pot luck whether your unit will have it or not... having said that I am seeing quite a lot of people talking about it with the 16" so I'm wondering if it's just the bias of people not posting to say their unit is perfect, or if its not actually coil whine but something else making a similar sound?
  2. Sourcing panels is a bit of a lottery, you can usually pick 2-3-4 properties you want but have to compromise on something else! I think with the MacBook Air they released a firmware update that not only fixed units that were failing to reach the stated 300 nit brightness, but actually increased to 400 nits - maybe stay tuned on this one to see if there's a similar fix in a future software update.
  3. Sounds, again, like more of a firmware problem. Not that it should be happening either way of course, but at least there is (hopefully) prospect of it being sorted down the line unlike an actual hardware problem.
 

turbineseaplane

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Hey have you tried turning off True Tone? That was the first thing I did and it really helped with the brightness issue! As for the popping noise I’m sure it can be fixed with an update, at least that’s what I’m banking on, the popping is really annoying. I’m just gunna live with the coil noise 😂

So on a $2500-4000 laptop, we are ok with "turn off a feature" (TrueTone) to fix the brightness, hoping the "popping noise" is a software issue they can fix and the "coil noise" we just live with?
 

marmiteturkey

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How come when everyone is so excited about their purchases that they are automatically willing to ignore big mistakes, and ready to lie to them self, just to justify their purchases? This is really pissing me off. I just recived my Macbook pro 16, and surley it has everything that it´s written in macumors users.

1. Some hissing cat sound, i guess this is the harddrive
2. The screen is really dimm, not as bright as the 2018/2019 macbook pro 15, and i´m not even a pro user, i noticed it directly when started web browser.
3. And offcourse, the crazy popping noise in youtube when changing between tracks.

This can´t be something minor, or something happening to few users, so f##k every reviewer out there in youtube, that´s ignoring this, just because they got their laptop for free from Apple.

Sorry that you're disappointed. I honestly don't have any of those things in my 2019 i9 16in, so you might want to exchange yours and give it another go?
No coil whine; it's whisper quiet.
screen is eye-burningly bright on full brightness - I don't need it brighter than 50%. next to a 2018 model, it's at least as bright if not brighter.
I don't watch much YouTube but I'm not noticing any popping sounds while scrubbing in VLC, Apple TV, iMovie or QuickTime.

I've had a 2017 and 2018 MacBook Pro; this machine is by far my favourite of the three, owing to the battery life, screen, keyboard and speakers.
 

Austin Nguyen

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So on a $2500-4000 laptop, we are ok with "turn off a feature" (TrueTone) to fix the brightness, hoping the "popping noise" is a software issue they can fix and the "coil noise" we just live with?
Obviously no, I’m just hoping it can be fixed via firmware/software, if not I’m returning my machine. I’m giving apple a chance to fix the issue.
 

turbineseaplane

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Obviously no, I’m just hoping it can be fixed via firmware/software, if not I’m returning my machine.

Right on - I'd be in the same camp. I just wasn't sure if you were "all-in no matter what" or if you are, as you've now explained, giving them a chance before deciding what to do.

I know I sure wouldn't tolerate *any* of those issues long term given the price point here..
 

impulse462

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So on a $2500-4000 laptop, we are ok with "turn off a feature" (TrueTone) to fix the brightness, hoping the "popping noise" is a software issue they can fix and the "coil noise" we just live with?
i personally think the updated thermals is a BIG upgrade


I went to the apple store to see other displays on the 16". At my apple store in a major city there were only 2 16" on display and 1 was locked and couldn't be used because "it was a corporate thing".

anyway it turned out my display was a tad brighter and LESS warm than those. i think maybe my 2017 had an abnormally bright and cold display (accoridng to notebook check the avg nits on the 2017 display is > 500 nits).

as for the coil whine, i heard it originally setting up the computer but it has gone away mostly.

the popping noise i hope will get fixed but given its ubiquity its hard believe no one noticed it
 

turbineseaplane

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i personally think the updated thermals is a BIG upgrade

I agree - It's 2nd only to the Keyboard IMO.

Put another way though, what we are really saying is that the thermals on the 2016-2019 15"s are total garbage.

It just all feeds into the narrative I continue to support that the 2019 16" is the machine they should have made in 2016. Apple basically had a big three year misguided "oops" with the MBP line, unfortunately.
 

impulse462

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I agree - It's 2nd only to the Keyboard IMO.

Put another way though, what we are really saying is that the thermals on the 2016-2019 15"s are total garbage.

It just all feeds into the narrative I continue to support that the 2019 16" is the machine they should have made in 2016. Apple basically had a big three year misguided "oops" with the MBP line, unfortunately.
i agree 100% with this. im just glad i have a laptop with a good keyboard again. if i didnt know better id say ive gone thru my own stockholm syndrome...
 
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bsbeamer

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Apple basically had a big three year misguided "oops" with the MBP line, unfortunately.

The same "oops" with the 2013 Mac Pro that is basically turning the new Mac Pro into a 2020 release. There should have been a 2015 model release (but wasn't), refreshed in 2017/2018 (but really wasn't), and then the new model in 2020 (which sort of is).

Really hoping LONG TERM the MBP16 is an indication Apple is starting to actually listen to what customers want. Maybe we'll even see a Mac Mini Pro machine, or something in-between the Mac Mini and Mac Pro that nearly everyone has been desiring since the birth of Hackintosh.
 
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Sanpete

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How come when everyone is so excited about their purchases that they are automatically willing to ignore big mistakes, and ready to lie to them self, just to justify their purchases? This is really pissing me off.

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This can´t be something minor, or something happening to few users, so f##k every reviewer out there in youtube, that´s ignoring this, just because they got their laptop for free from Apple.
There are many annoying things at forums, naturally. Among them are redundant threads that ignore things already hashed out, especially those who are outraged or accuse others of lying without taking into account what's already been said. Each of the points you raise has more than one side to it, as has been shown elsewhere already.

Paranoia is also annoying to some people, namely those who don't share it. Reviewers aren't paid by Apple to do their reviews. Some get free sample, some don't. Some are fanboys, some are quite critical. Paranoia is no substitute for recognizing that many people don't share your sensitivities, or may know better how to use the device they're reviewing.
 

darwichee90

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Don´t get me wrong, i really love the machine and i also can live with the popping sound since this is not a big issue, and also the cool whine.

But i really having hard time believing that NO youtube reviewer haven´t had any of theese issues yet, and there´s alot of reviews out there, Specially since 16 is a new "modell"
 

impulse462

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Don´t get me wrong, i really love the machine and i also can live with the popping sound since this is not a big issue, and also the cool whine.

But i really having hard time believing that NO youtube reviewer haven´t had any of theese issues yet, and there´s alot of reviews out there, Specially since 16 is a new "modell"
they definitely have experienced it because it shows up in final cut and they all harp night and day about video editing as if its the pinnacle of computing. and yet they dont mention it. which leads me to believe apple really pays them and thus none of their "reviews" can be based on any merit
 

turbineseaplane

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they definitely have experienced it because it shows up in final cut and they all harp night and day about video editing as if its the pinnacle of computing. and yet they dont mention it. which leads me to believe apple really pays them and thus none of their "reviews" can be based on any merit

Apple has reviewers by the balls honestly..

Nobody wants to risk "not getting review units" in the future -- understandably so.

Curious - do we have a tally of reviewers who only "buy it themselves" and do reviews?
That's really the only hope for truly unbiased opinions.
 

NeroAugustus

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When I receive mine, you can be sure it's going back if it has horrible coil whine and a dim screen. The popping thing really seems like it's software related. If it turns out it's hardware, it's going back as well though.

As to why people aren't complaining more:

-The thing with coil whine is it can very easily be masked by ambient sound. Assuming it's not extreme coil whine, you also need to look for it to hear it. Many people might have it but are always in less than silent environment meaning they don't hear it. My XPS 15 had significant coil whine before I sent it back, but when on the same desk as my desktop computer I couldn't hear it because the case fans even on low were enough to drown the noise.

-A "dim" screen is only in comparison to another screen. At 420 nits (where several review samples sit it seems) it's still bright enough for most people so unless you have the 2018 sitting next to it you might not even notice. That's my biggest gripe though right now, the specs say 500 nits so 420 nits just isn't cutting it, that's some false advertising tier stuff.

-The popping sound people are noticing for sure, they just expect it to be software related, several people said they told Apple and they're working on it.

About Youtubers: not all of them are shills (but many are, I can't watch a Jonathan Morrison video). Dave2D roasted Apple very hard with the thermal throttling on the 2018 version, he was the one to famously put it in a fridge to get it to perform. He is usually fairly critical. Still, he mostly had praise for the 16".
 
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darwichee90

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Apple has reviewers by the balls honestly..

Nobody wants to risk "not getting review units" in the future -- understandably so.

Curious - do we have a tally of reviewers who only "buy it themselves" and do reviews?
That's really the only hope for truly unbiased opinions.

You can deffently forget all the mainstream reviewers like Ijustine,Marque Brown n Company,Specially ijustine or whatever the name is, she´s just reading from a paper, whatever Apple wants her to tell.
 

turbineseaplane

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You can deffently forget all the mainstream reviewers like Ijustine,Marque Brown n Company,Specially ijustine or whatever the name is, she´s just reading from a paper, whatever Apple wants her to tell.

To be honest, anybody who’s brand name has an “i” in front of it, I immediately dismiss as Apple propaganda.

iJustine is good to get you excited and happy about your purchase and that’s about where it ends.
 

jr69

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Anyone who can't hear the coil whine is old and their ears aren't as good anymore. I guess its lucky for them since they can't hear it.

Also to add fuel to the fire, the screen has been wobbly for me and I've had some rare instances of double pressing with the keyboard, even though it was allegedly "fixed".

I can't believe that these expensive laptops aren't perfect. I don't expect this much perfection with other windows laptops because they are more cheaper, but at this price point, you really shouldn't be getting anything below perfect.
 

RedTheReader

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1. Some hissing cat sound, i guess this is the harddrive
I've never heard anyone describe it quite like a hissing cat (that sounds a bit extreme), but I'm assuming that you're talking about coil whine. My 2016 13" MacBook Pro didn't have any of this, but my current 2018 15" model does. It was quite a widespread issue, though I've noticed it less and less over time. The explanation was that Apple moved to Toshiba SSDs from whatever they were using in the 2016 and 2017 model. For anyone surprised, yes, Apple does indeed NOT make it's own SSDs from scratch. Nothing wrong with that, but please don't use a company who's drives have coil whine just because most customers somehow don't notice it.
 

Whackman

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How come when everyone is so excited about their purchases that they are automatically willing to ignore big mistakes, and ready to lie to them self, just to justify their purchases? This is really pissing me off. I just recived my Macbook pro 16, and surley it has everything that it´s written in macumors users.

1. Some hissing cat sound, i guess this is the harddrive
2. The screen is really dimm, not as bright as the 2018/2019 macbook pro 15, and i´m not even a pro user, i noticed it directly when started web browser.
3. And offcourse, the crazy popping noise in youtube when changing between tracks.

This can´t be something minor, or something happening to few users, so f##k every reviewer out there in youtube, that´s ignoring this, just because they got their laptop for free from Apple.
I only have the popping sound. And i think it will be solved but even if it's not, it's not a real problem for me.
But it SHOULD be solved, don't get me wrong.

My screen is MUCH better in colours AND brighter than my mid 2012 MBP retina.
NO hissing sounds / coil whine.

Anyway, you DO have these problem so be vocal about them. contact Apple and post on this forum.
Your issues need to be resolved since you payed a lot of money.
Just don't think that your experience is the same as everyone else's experience.
 

turbineseaplane

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The explanation was that Apple moved to Toshiba SSDs from whatever they were using in the 2016 and 2017 model. For anyone surprised, yes, Apple does indeed NOT make it's own SSDs from scratch. Nothing wrong with that, but please don't use a company who's drives have coil whine just because most customers somehow don't notice it.

Luckily the SSD's aren't soldered in or anything crazy, so we are free to swap in a different NVMe drive if we'd like! ;):p
 
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