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Better than now.
Technology has promised us to make us free from daily fatigue and happy, today we work to make technology free and happy, we are tracked online and offline, we are poorer and more unhappy than 40 years ago. But in many parts of the world it is considerably better, not thanks to the technology but to the money that it has generated, of course they are worse in terms of health and the environment.
Are we poorer than 40 years ago? I’m not talking personal but generally? I think (current cost of living crises apart), people are generally better off now than in the 70’s and 80’s. Talking financially, not in quality of life. I’d say the opposite is true there.
 
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Are we poorer than 40 years ago? I’m not talking personal but generally? I think (current cost of living crises apart), people are generally better off now than in the 70’s and 80’s. Talking financially, not in quality of life. I’d say the opposite is true there.

Yes and no.

Paradoxically, I think that there was more social mobility, and thus, more opportunities, 40 years ago.

However, in general, (and yes, apart from the current cost of living crisis), the physical fabric of life (whatever about the quality of life) is undeniably better now.
 
Yes and no.

Paradoxically, I think that there was more social mobility, and thus, more opportunities, 40 years ago.

However, in general, (and yes, apart from the current cost of living crisis), the physical fabric of life (whatever about the quality of life) is undeniably better now.
Two car families, foreign holidays and all the gadgets you could wish for certainly were not as common 40 years ago.
But having said that things lasted a lot longer, could be repaired if they broke and were sourced locally.
 
I was born in 1994 so I didn't spent a lot of time without the internet, but I remember spending a lot of time playing Nintendo 64. I watched TV more as a kid, and if I had to lookup something for school, I'd use an encyclopedia or a dictionary. We had a World Book Encyclopedia collection.

Board games were a big thing too, and I remember playing with Lite Brite.
 
My wife and I moved to Phoenix in 2000. Both our kids were born here in Arizona. So, been entirely urban for the last 23 years. That's about all I miss about rural.

You're as urban as Urban gets ;)

If you were presented with the opportunity of Forest&Fiber, would you take it?
 
Are we poorer than 40 years ago? I’m not talking personal but generally?

I’d say it depends on what you mean by “we”. For example, I’d say from a global perspective, humanity is not poorer than it was in the late 70s-early 80s. Or at the country level, the current per capita incomes and standard-of-living indicators of Poland and South Korea are higher compared to forty years ago, for example. But from an individual person standpoint, it’s clear many people are worse off by many measures, no matter the region they live in.

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For anybody interested in diving into this stuff:

 
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That might be the case where you live, but they still have a lot of those sort radio shows here in the UK. I often have the radio on as I drive to and from work.
My favorite radio shows today are on National Public Radio (United States). Most of my listening is usually when I’m driving locally, so I am inconsistent. The 2 shows I try not to miss are Wait, Wait Don’t Tell Me, a news quiz show with a live audience about current events, usually broadcast out of Chicago, many witty humorous comments from a liberal panel and host.

And Science Friday (New York City, Wikapedia) that comes on in the afternoon when I’m usually driving home from the gym. That one can be so interesting I downloaded the PBS App and can stream it to my phone if the topic really catches my interest.

I really enjoyed Prairie Home Companion with Garrison Keillor a 2 hr that aired live from 1974 to 2016 (Wikipedia), which was the closest thing to an old time radio show with songs, music and skits. When we lived in Minneapolis in St. Paul from where it was aired, it always seemed to be sold out. :( Sadly it was nipped when the host of the show was accused of some vague sexual impropriety via an email, that I don’r believe was ever confirmed. 😕
 
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You're as urban as Urban gets ;)

If you were presented with the opportunity of Forest&Fiber, would you take it?
No.

Essentially, my wife and I moved Heaven and Earth in 2000 to get to Phoenix. 300+ miles away from where we came. While both my wife and I are loners, she grew up in the city (Los Angeles) and is used to the convenience. I spent 20 years trying to escape rural. Everything was 15-30 minutes away. Before the ubiquity of Starbucks, the closest one to me was 45 minutes. That improved and Starbucks even opened a store in our area about a year before we moved out - but it wasn't enough.

Today I have choices.

Finally, I crave the energy that is present in groups of people out doing things and getting on with life. You can't tap into that when living rural because not a whole lot of people are around you. Of course, there is always nature, but while nature is great to look at and experience, I don't want to live in it. I've had my share of snakes, mountain goats and 1300lb dairy cows who don't want to move when you cross their path.
 
Mostly, we squatted around the fire and grunted. Sometimes I fought with Blarg in the next cave over. He had sister, Kobanga. I hit Blarg over head with stick. Make Kobanga my mate.
..such perfection - and we've been seeking it ever since. Nope..no where to be found on the Internet.

Maybe that's why people stare into a fire so much..that's wot ya do if there's no internet.
 
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Two car families, foreign holidays and all the gadgets you could wish for certainly were not as common 40 years ago.
But having said that things lasted a lot longer, could be repaired if they broke and were sourced locally.
Actually, back in the late 1950's and early 1960's there were a few -- very few -- families which had two cars because both parents worked in different places and needed to be able to get to work or (more common) because one parent worked and had to have the car away from home all day but did not want to leave the at-home spouse stranded at home day after day without a car......

In some areas, especially the suburbs where cars and driving were expected as part of the lifestyle, it was not possible for any family member to simply walk to a nearby grocery store or other places. In many suburban areas there was train service available into the city so if someone worked in the city, he or she took the train in to work each day and the at-home person had the use of the car all day. Problem was that not everyone worked in the city nor used the train as their daily commuting vehicle.

Holidays in foreign places (outside the US in particular) were definitely not common where I was raised, and we certainly didn't have a lot of electronic gizmos. TV ruled as a big deal for some time.....
 
Are we poorer than 40 years ago? I’m not talking personal but generally? I think (current cost of living crises apart), people are generally better off now than in the 70’s and 80’s. Talking financially, not in quality of life. I’d say the opposite is true there.
That's taking the elephant out of the room. Cost of living is the reason Millennials are far poorer than Boomers at the same stage of life. I don't know many Millennials homeowners, but most Boomer I know were a homeowners by 30. Sure kids have Internet and 1000's if channels on TV, but are struggling otherwise. We have better bread and circuses.

Compensation hasn't match production ever since the 80's. The deviation began in the 70's. If we use the 60's pay to production scale, minimum wage would be $40-50 an hour today.
 
Cost of living is the reason Millennials are far poorer than Boomers at the same stage of life.

Other factors I would add include:
  • Higher-education costs. Not only have public universities lost a lot of taxpayer funding, leading to numerous fees charged to students, tuition costs have outpaced inflation by a large margin at both public and private institutions. When coupled with the shift in financial aid from grants and discounts to loans, many young people have started their working lives with large amounts of debt.
  • Economic "black swan" events in 2008 and 2019. Millennials suffered big hits both early and mid career. These are critical times in personal finance; setbacks at these times have long lasting, potentially unrecoverable consequences.
  • An essentially binary job market, where one has either a highly compensated tech job with lush benefits or a low paid service job with minimal benefits.
  • Boomer housing and density preferences.
  • Cultural and political factors (that's all I'm going to say to stay on topic and to avoid PRSI subjects).
 
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Quite simply, around the world in general there are more of us now than there were back in the 1950's, 1960's, 1970's and onward..... This has had an impact in many ways, including housing, education, jobs...... Technology having moved -- actually rather surged -- forward throughout those years and continuing to do so now represents another huge impact.

Costs of living have increased significantly but so has the demand for various goods and services, some of which never even existed back in the 1950's, 1960's and 1970's. We also address food sources and supplies, purchasing and preparation, not to mention actual intake and types of meals consumed where and usually differently these days than back in the post-WW II years and a decade or two beyond.

We're all paying for the convenience of going to the grocery store and being able to in addition to a few staples or the makings of a proper home-cooked meal reach into the freezer or refrigeration case for a few already "prepared" meals that we can throw into the microwave to heat up quickly or the convenience of ordering delivery from a nearby pizza or other fast-food or even proper restaurant so that a meal can be on the table quickly for whichever family members happen to be home at the time.

Of course there are those who still take pleasure in preparing and cooking meals, but there are an awful lot of people for whom something to eat is often grabbed on the run from here to there and somewhere else..... And that convenience does not come cheaply.
 
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In the 1950's families gathered around the dining table or the kitchen table at dinner time and conversed about their day as they ate the home-cooked meal. After dinner, someone, usually the woman of the household, maybe with assistance from a child or two, rinsed, washed and dried the dishes before putting them back in the cabinet. .....
My mother - who had grown up in a house with several pampered, indulged, idle, and quite utterly spoiled brothers, - held very strong and strict views on such things.

From the time we were small children, my brothers and I, in turn, always did the washing up after dinner. As a teen, the only time I was ever excused was when I was sitting exams.

My mother did not want her sons becoming replicas of her brothers. And, in latter years, when we were away, my father did the washing up.

@Apple fanboy and @The-Real-Deal82: Agree completely about radio; and sometimes, local radio stations can be excellent.
 
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In my family of origin, it was my mother who prepared the meal and also cleared up afterward and rinsed and washed the dishes, often with my help when I was old enough to take this on without dropping plates and such. The eventual arrival of an automatic, electric dishwasher in the household was a source of happiness and definitely some relief from kitchen duties. Both my mother and I were thrilled when my father presented that particular gift one Christmas!

When I was married, my late husband did most of the cooking and I did the cleaning-up afterward, which worked out quite nicely for both of us. He loved to cook and had a good repertoire, having lived abroad in France for over a year, and he found buying the ingredients, preparing and then cooking a meal to be quite relaxing and enjoyable. I was more than happy with this, and it was no problem at all to take on the after-the-meal cleanup duties. Sure, sometimes I grumbled that he "used every pot and pan in the house!" but really, what he prepared and however many dishes/pots/pans it took him to get the meal on the table was absolutely well worth it!
 
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As a young kid my Dad cooked. His job started early (3am) so he was back home sooner than my Mum who worked 9-5:30.
My sister or I used to wash up.
By the time I was around 14 I have no idea what happened around dinner. I wasn’t there. I used to just grab a snack when I got back around 10.
 
In modern times, doing what’s called a “one shot” is considered a challenge. That’s where you stretch a single shot as long as you can and try to get as much action into it within one take and without any cuts. Back then, it was the norm.

I won’t go into how much I hate 21st century movies; all of them without exception. They’re all indicative of a narcissistic, infant-minded society on the brink of collapse.

To give you an idea: watch a real 70’s movie. Everybody was mature, had a clue, knew who they were, had a life. They were autonomous adults.

Now watch one of the many hundreds of wannabe 70’s movies today. There’s that new Disco movie, for instance. Notice that every actor in it is a feeble adult child vying to make their libarts-construct of their self align with reality but reality isn’t budging. Watching these actors pathetically try to emulate people with real personalities such as those in the 70’s is like watching elementary kids putting on a play. Taping a fake beard to your face and wearing a craft-paper stovepipe hat doesn’t make you Abe Lincoln. You still look like a kid trying to fill dad’s patent leather shoes and coat.

Jodie Foster was about twelve when she acted in Taxi Driver. I have never met anybody in their twenties as mature as that in this century. At this point, I can start pushing that statement to include most people in their thirties. Even young Macaulay Culkin was a better more convincing actor than anybody in their thirties or forties today.

Another post here reminded me of a sad fact of today’s tech. Satellites are polluting our night sky. I can go out around 9:30 on almost any night and see a highway interchange of orbital traffic. There’s so many going in every direction. Most of my time lapse photos catch at least one if not three. When I was a kid, maybe I saw “a” satellite if I was looking hard enough for long enough. Now it’s impossible to focus on the empty vastness out there without interlopers. There is really no more sanctuary.

nice rant 😂😂
I can't say I enjoy the slow pace of older movies. I died of boredom trying to watch The French Connection with friends, but I wont go as far as Michael Bay movies. Somewhere along the lines of Die Hard is nice.

Okay.

I got married in 1997 and my wife and I lived without cabletv, without internet and we didn't get cell phones until late 1997.

As a young, married couple in our late 20s with no kids and only part-time night jobs, I can sure as heck tell you we didn't appreciate people dropping in.

By 2003 we had our first kid. We appreciated that less, even with internet, cabletv and cell phones.

Perhaps in my teens and mid-20s, when I had a part-time job, lived with my parents and no one was home, I might have appreciated it.

My friend and I once made a trip from Southern California to Oregon and back. We were both in our mid-20s and had miscalculated money. We needed a place to stay for the night before returning and could not afford a hotel. So we 'dropped by' my cousin's home in the Bay area.

She was nice and accommodated us for the night, but with three small kids and no food in the house I can tell you that she was LESS THAN HAPPY to see us.

Well maybe you are different but I was speaking of even earlier times like 40s and 50s. I heard stories of people back then that had their house doors open for any one in the neighbourhood to pass by if they wished. Maybe culture to culture, and country to country its different.

While you make a certain point, having been a kid in the 70s, I often look to 70s film and TV shows and find that this was an era of old people.

Most actors of that day looked old, even though they were in their 30s or 40s. Not particularly anything that drove this 80s kid to see that era of movies or shows. There were certain exceptions of course.

Another thing I didn't care for in that time period was the really big holes in plot. Especially in what was primetime TV shows of the era. In order to enjoy these shows you had to suspend your disbelief, a lot. You couldn't get by now with those plot holes. Actors were selected because they could perform the role - but I find it hard to believe a lot of those actors could actually be the character(s) they were portraying.

I agree, there were some good movies back then. I'm just not seeing the totality of it as you describe.

-I still have a theory about people from earlier decades looking older. I had a lot of moments of "He was just 2X in that movie?!😲"

-Care to share a couple of those tv shows?
 
nice rant 😂😂
I can't say I enjoy the slow pace of older movies. I died of boredom trying to watch The French Connection with friends, but I wont go as far as Michael Bay movies. Somewhere along the lines of Die Hard is nice.



Well maybe you are different but I was speaking of even earlier times like 40s and 50s. I heard stories of people back then that had their house doors open for any one in the neighbourhood to pass by if they wished. Maybe culture to culture, and country to country its different.



-I still have a theory about people from earlier decades looking older. I had a lot of moments of "He was just 2X in that movie?!😲"

-Care to share a couple of those tv shows?
When I fist got married in the late nineties, we didn’t own any TV or PC for the first few years. But we found plenty to do.
 
Well maybe you are different but I was speaking of even earlier times like 40s and 50s. I heard stories of people back then that had their house doors open for any one in the neighbourhood to pass by if they wished. Maybe culture to culture, and country to country its different.
I've heard of that and I will say this. I am glad I was not born in that era.

When I was younger and lived with my parents, we often left the door unlocked - but this was because we were rural. It wasn't an invitation for the people in the next house over to just come in and make themselves at home. When we went out, we locked the doors.

Once I moved out with my wife I learned to lock doors and car doors. Our first night in our new place we were robbed. I've made sure doors are locked ever since, no matter where I've lived.

With the rise of carjackings in the 90s in California (where I lived then), car doors always got locked when driving. But that was done even before then as a safety precaution. You don't want a door popping open in an accident.
 
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-I still have a theory about people from earlier decades looking older. I had a lot of moments of "He was just 2X in that movie?!😲"

-Care to share a couple of those tv shows?
Banacek is the one that springs to mind most. George Peppard is supposed to be a 30s to 40s year old character. He looks the same age in Banacek as his did in the A-Team, which is solidly 1980s. Which means he does not look young in Banacek.

Pick any villain in Starsky & Hutch and McMillan & Wife and you'll see old actors. Quincy too, on occasion. Emergency and Wonder Woman did a better job, but they still had a handful of older looking actors.

I just think there wasn't as much concern about the age of an actor in consideration of the role they'd play back then. It seems to be taken into account much more now.

Finally, my view on this didn't start back in the 1970s when I was a young kid. It's only just recently, in my late 40s and early 50s (I'm 52) that I started seeing this. As a kid, I wasn't paying attention.

EDIT: Oh yeah, the Six Million Dollar Man and the Bionic Woman were particular offenders!
 
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🧐 as a mechanic, I don’t see how locking a door prevents a latch failure in an accident. The common occurrence of doors opening on impact pre-1970’s was due to how abhorrently primitive the latches were in those days. Think about the latch on a Samsonite briefcase. That was considered to be of acceptable grade for a car door in those days.

Come Ralph Nader and overnight the door latch mechanism evolved into a design that is used to this day.

As for older actors: good. I would rather see talent on screen than a body of appropriate born-on date. Of course these days there’s no acting talent at any age, hence I don’t consume media from this century. Any and all actors that did have talent at any point in their life are now living in their own celebrity psychosis and have become a parody of their self. There is James Woods but, since he doesn’t bow to wooden owls and drink of the chalice of blood, he isn’t allowed in the actor’s playhouse.
 
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