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How do we know were not in a coma and everything around us is made up?

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So yeah... lately this question has been bugging me, so I started searching... this thread caught me so I decided to sign up.

The reason I'm at this point is complicated... my memory of my entire life is completely spotty...

The earliest memory I have is a memory that shouldn't be there, and then the next earliest one I have is of my first real accident where I hit my head really hard... I had to have been 1 or something... its the last clearest memory I have, of grabbing onto something and then falling backwards, but only recently have I begun thinking about it more and more.

I remember everything vividly till the point where I hit my head, but I'm not going to describe it all.

Lets just say I found God very recently and have way more reasons to believe in him than not to all that are actually scientific in origin...

My next head injury didn't knock me out, it was a sports accident playing soccer, but it gave me a really bad migraine and have had headaches ever since, but had them before hand also.

After that my life seemed normal except for certain things that do not add up with the kind of people my parents are or were... its complicated but I don't want to write a giant wall which this is already turning into.

So fast forward to years later losing a parent and falling into the "marijuana trap" (which I'm positive is actually a trap put here by demons) at any rate... I eventually spiraled into a delusional paranoid state. Long story short I got clothes-lined while trying to run out of an intake area in a hospital... I remember going down, and then blackness, the next thing I know I'm in a bed being restrained by multiple people etc etc, they put me out, and then I wake up inside a psych ward, nothing on my head, no bump nothing, except an injury on my ankle that made no sense for how I had gone down....

Since then its an even longer story of addiction struggles and more psych wards, and hearing stuff, stuff thats not there.

Now here's where it gets creepy... just the other day I started hearing a chiming noise... no one heard it except me but it sounded exactly like a hospital patient monitor alarm of sorts and I had heard it many times in the past so I can clearly identify it. It started next to my ear, then as I started to search for the noise it started to move, then sounded like it was coming from a phone in my uncles pocket who was in the room. He didn't react and then I asked them (other relative in room) if they heard it and they said hear what, and then I asked about the phone noise. They both immediately proceeded to check their phones as this sound faded away in an arbitrary direction completely without reacting with the surrounding area.... it was as if they were prepared to react to my question to misdirect my mind.

On top of all this I have been reading the bible more so recently and have started praying occasionally... the most recent good prayer I said, I asked god to help the lost souls in this world, then today I said a prayer asking for wisdom in identifying evil and avoiding it, which I believe is why I begun thinking about this again.


So now that the story is out of the way, here is some science that isn't proven and won't be not in this world or this life. I've studied the big models that try to explain the universe and came to a conclusion, there is a God, and it is why we will never get a clear answer with any of these models, but there is one that can actually prove his existence floating around out there. I even have studied consciousness, and done many thought experiments about it and where dreams come from and more recently what happens to people in comas or experience head trauma...

When you go to sleep, you dream, when your dreaming you enter another persons consciousness either you or someone like you in your circumstances. Its done by either experiencing a person in another universe or even in this one who is awake and you become just another nueronic synapse in that persons mind, and are essentially along for the ride for the most part. (you can think and judge the occurrence but you have a hard time moving depending on who and where this consciousness is that you fused to)

You might say oh well your just paranoid about being in a coma and don't understand it... that's the thing though, I do and have held this position for a while even before I started questioning if I was in a coma.

The next part requires an understanding of brain activity during consciousness verse coma verse sleep.

consciousness the whole brain lights up etc etc, sleep, is relatively the SAME.... as coma patient, has almost NONE.

Now the next part of this is tricky to explain and has to do with the study of the very center of the brain... while some coma patients are completely out others have periodic fluctuations... some do some dont, maybe the some that dont have any are dead and keeping them on life support is like in humane from what I understand now about this.

So what are the fluctuations?

Dream state noise. Its a weak form of consciousness being displayed in a barely functioning brain that shows that person is somewhere else actually LIVING, like a dream... BUT its the same as reality to them.

The different, they aren't having a traditional dream, they could be in a realm constructed by whom ever God or the Devil.

This brings me back to my first serious head injury I had... everything I saw (btw I'm also an artist of sorts also and love studying pattern relation and aesthetics) looks exactly (abstractly speaking of course) like everything I saw as I feel backwards towards the ground.



Which brings me to my questions.

How many of you have had head trauma of any type and how has it effected your life? (you need to think memory wise like whats different in your memories before the injury and whats different now).

Then also anyone having any weird dreams that relate to your actual life?


I also forgot about another weird thing, right before my life got way worse (just recently) Was at a party had another head injury that should have knocked me out but didn't... and then got punched in the head like 8 times...
 
good one.

no really I'm dieing over here...

the mental illness thing is ******** because once you get that label its like no one listens to anything you say anymore even if you make good points.

Its completely absurd.
 
The fact is, we don't. Descartes Philosphy.

Reality is merely our minds conceptions. Everything we sense or feel is an electrochemical interpretation of external stimuli. The mind is a pretty lonely place and the world is actually quite dull if you think about. There is no color. There is no sound. There is not taste. Etc. All of these are interpretations of light reflection, sound waves moving through air, detection of chemicals. Etc.


apoc4lypse said:
good one.

no really I'm dieing over here...

the mental illness thing is ******** because once you get that label its like no one listens to anything you say anymore even if you make good points.

Its completely absurd.
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I work in psych. If you have a history of these things, perhaps it's an explanation. Or maybe your hearing is just better than others. Everybodies mind, labeled or not, plays tricks on them. Our brain fills in a ton of gaps throughout the day to provide continuity. One of the theories of pyschoiss is the mind connects too many dots together, or mis connects dots. The ambient noises on the background turn into voices. The moving shadows on the walls turn into people. Etc.

We all, psychotic or not, put out full faith in our perception of reality. There's no way to discern reality from illusion because it's the same thing. You can't tell someone he voices in their head aren't real because they are.

I try not to think about this stuff too much. It's weird stuff.
 
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apoc4lypse said:
*mega bbbump*

So yeah... lately this question has been bugging me, so I started searching... this thread caught me so I decided to sign up.

The reason I'm at this point is complicated... my memory of my entire life is completely spotty...

The earliest memory I have is a memory that shouldn't be there, and then the next earliest one I have is of my first real accident where I hit my head really hard... I had to have been 1 or something... its the last clearest memory I have, of grabbing onto something and then falling backwards, but only recently have I begun thinking about it more and more.

I remember everything vividly till the point where I hit my head, but I'm not going to describe it all.

Lets just say I found God very recently and have way more reasons to believe in him than not to all that are actually scientific in origin...

My next head injury didn't knock me out, it was a sports accident playing soccer, but it gave me a really bad migraine and have had headaches ever since, but had them before hand also.

After that my life seemed normal except for certain things that do not add up with the kind of people my parents are or were... its complicated but I don't want to write a giant wall which this is already turning into.

So fast forward to years later losing a parent and falling into the "marijuana trap" (which I'm positive is actually a trap put here by demons) at any rate... I eventually spiraled into a delusional paranoid state. Long story short I got clothes-lined while trying to run out of an intake area in a hospital... I remember going down, and then blackness, the next thing I know I'm in a bed being restrained by multiple people etc etc, they put me out, and then I wake up inside a psych ward, nothing on my head, no bump nothing, except an injury on my ankle that made no sense for how I had gone down....

Since then its an even longer story of addiction struggles and more psych wards, and hearing stuff, stuff thats not there.

Now here's where it gets creepy... just the other day I started hearing a chiming noise... no one heard it except me but it sounded exactly like a hospital patient monitor alarm of sorts and I had heard it many times in the past so I can clearly identify it. It started next to my ear, then as I started to search for the noise it started to move, then sounded like it was coming from a phone in my uncles pocket who was in the room. He didn't react and then I asked them (other relative in room) if they heard it and they said hear what, and then I asked about the phone noise. They both immediately proceeded to check their phones as this sound faded away in an arbitrary direction completely without reacting with the surrounding area.... it was as if they were prepared to react to my question to misdirect my mind.

On top of all this I have been reading the bible more so recently and have started praying occasionally... the most recent good prayer I said, I asked god to help the lost souls in this world, then today I said a prayer asking for wisdom in identifying evil and avoiding it, which I believe is why I begun thinking about this again.


So now that the story is out of the way, here is some science that isn't proven and won't be not in this world or this life. I've studied the big models that try to explain the universe and came to a conclusion, there is a God, and it is why we will never get a clear answer with any of these models, but there is one that can actually prove his existence floating around out there. I even have studied consciousness, and done many thought experiments about it and where dreams come from and more recently what happens to people in comas or experience head trauma...

When you go to sleep, you dream, when your dreaming you enter another persons consciousness either you or someone like you in your circumstances. Its done by either experiencing a person in another universe or even in this one who is awake and you become just another nueronic synapse in that persons mind, and are essentially along for the ride for the most part. (you can think and judge the occurrence but you have a hard time moving depending on who and where this consciousness is that you fused to)

You might say oh well your just paranoid about being in a coma and don't understand it... that's the thing though, I do and have held this position for a while even before I started questioning if I was in a coma.

The next part requires an understanding of brain activity during consciousness verse coma verse sleep.

consciousness the whole brain lights up etc etc, sleep, is relatively the SAME.... as coma patient, has almost NONE.

Now the next part of this is tricky to explain and has to do with the study of the very center of the brain... while some coma patients are completely out others have periodic fluctuations... some do some dont, maybe the some that dont have any are dead and keeping them on life support is like in humane from what I understand now about this.

So what are the fluctuations?

Dream state noise. Its a weak form of consciousness being displayed in a barely functioning brain that shows that person is somewhere else actually LIVING, like a dream... BUT its the same as reality to them.

The different, they aren't having a traditional dream, they could be in a realm constructed by whom ever God or the Devil.

This brings me back to my first serious head injury I had... everything I saw (btw I'm also an artist of sorts also and love studying pattern relation and aesthetics) looks exactly (abstractly speaking of course) like everything I saw as I feel backwards towards the ground.



Which brings me to my questions.

How many of you have had head trauma of any type and how has it effected your life? (you need to think memory wise like whats different in your memories before the injury and whats different now).

Then also anyone having any weird dreams that relate to your actual life?


I also forgot about another weird thing, right before my life got way worse (just recently) Was at a party had another head injury that should have knocked me out but didn't... and then got punched in the head like 8 times...
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Lets just say I found God very recently and have way more reasons to believe in him than not to all that are actually scientific in origin...

At risk of entering the PRSI Zone, why on Heaven and Earth would you think that? ;) What are the way more reasons if I may ask?

A.Goldberg said:
The fact is, we don't. Descartes Philosphy.

Reality is merely our minds conceptions. Everything we sense or feel is an electrochemical interpretation of external stimuli. The mind is a pretty lonely place and the world is actually quite dull if you think about. There is no color. There is no sound. There is not taste. Etc. All of these are interpretations of light reflection, sound waves moving through air, detection of chemicals. Etc.




I work in psych. If you have a history of these things, perhaps it's an explanation. Or maybe your hearing is just better than others. Everybodies mind, labeled or not, plays tricks on them. Our brain fills in a ton of gaps throughout the day to provide continuity. One of the theories of pyschoiss is the mind connects too many dots together, or mis connects dots. The ambient noises on the background turn into voices. The moving shadows on the walls turn into people. Etc.

We all, psychotic or not, put out full faith in our perception of reality. There's no way to discern reality from illusion because it's the same thing. You can't tell someone he voices in their head aren't real because they are.

I try not to think about this stuff too much. It's weird stuff.
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All we really have to go on is the consistency of our memories with absolutely pure faith that what we know and remember is our current reality with zero confidence, if incitful enough to accept it, that our lives could be any number of degrees of illusion with the finale being any number of possibilities. I mention The Earth Simulator frequently for good reason, but The Universe Simulator might be a better description with any number of souls (for lack of a better term) like ourselves participating or it could be our own unique and private experience.

However to be functional in this life, we as individuals must rely on what we see, touch, hear, smell, taste and intellectually digest. We instinctually act in a way to keep the adventure going as long as we can. I think viewing life as having purpose, as a learning experience is helpful for grounding and making us productive. Fortunately in my life I've seen enough positives to call it a worthwhile experience, while admitting, mostly I've been along for the ride.

I can imagine some in the Earth Simulator viewing their lives as a hellish experience. Who is to say, for them it could or could not be a good move to check out early, even if they have no idea what to expect, oblivion or just a reset. Hopefully they realize it's an unknown, a roll of the dice, but I have to assume they who choose this path are beyond caring.
 
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When a post contains the following sentence: "Lets just say I found God very recently and have way more reasons to believe in him than not to all that are actually scientific in origin…" I admit that my interest in furthering the discussion or devoting time and thought to it, lessens considerably.
 
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Huntn said:
Lets just say I found God very recently and have way more reasons to believe in him than not to all that are actually scientific in origin...

At risk of entering the PRSI Zone, why on Heaven and Earth would you think that? ;) What are the way more reasons if I may ask?



All we really have to go on is the consistency of our memories with absolutely pure faith that what we know and remember is our current reality with zero confidence, if incitful enough to accept it, that our lives could be any number of degrees of illusion with the finale being any number of possibilities. I mention The Earth Simulator frequently for good reason, but The Universe Simulator might be a better description with any number of souls (for lack of a better term) like ourselves participating or it could be our own unique and private experience.

However to be functional in this life, we as individuals must rely on what we see, touch, hear, smell, taste and intellectually digest. We instinctually act in a way to keep the adventure going as long as we can. I think viewing life as having purpose, as a learning experience is helpful for grounding and making us productive. Fortunately in my life I've seen enough positives to call it a worthwhile experience, while admitting, mostly I've been along for the ride.

I can imagine some in the Earth Simulator viewing their lives as a hellish experience. Who is to say, for them it could or could not be a good move to check out early, even if they have no idea what to expect, oblivion or just a reset. Hopefully they realize it's an unknown, a roll of the dice, but I have to assume they who choose this path are beyond caring.
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I'm not saying life doesn't have a purpose, I'm just saying our perception of life different is than actual reality and the mind creates opportunities for error.
 
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Wouldn't that be nice, if everything was made up. Then maybe there's a chance that reality is better than this place
 
For all you know, you are a brain in a jar, and everything you sense is mediated by a clever computer or malign alien. You have no way to prove otherwise.

Now that we're done with Philosophy 101, the question is, "So what?" The person you love might just be a devestatingly sophisticated illusion, but if you want to keep those endophins and oxytocins flowing, you'd better love that illusion as you'd love a real person.
 
nightcap965 said:
Now that we're done with Philosophy 101, the question is, "So what?" The person you love might just be a devestatingly sophisticated illusion, but if you want to keep those endophins and oxytocins flowing, you'd better love that illusion as you'd love a real person.
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I love this explanation, and I'm not making that up.
 
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apoc4lypse said:
*mega bbbump*

So yeah... lately this question has been bugging me, so I started searching... this thread caught me so I decided to sign up.

The reason I'm at this point is complicated... my memory of my entire life is completely spotty...

The earliest memory I have is a memory that shouldn't be there, and then the next earliest one I have is of my first real accident where I hit my head really hard... I had to have been 1 or something... its the last clearest memory I have, of grabbing onto something and then falling backwards, but only recently have I begun thinking about it more and more.

I remember everything vividly till the point where I hit my head, but I'm not going to describe it all.

Lets just say I found God very recently and have way more reasons to believe in him than not to all that are actually scientific in origin...

My next head injury didn't knock me out, it was a sports accident playing soccer, but it gave me a really bad migraine and have had headaches ever since, but had them before hand also.

After that my life seemed normal except for certain things that do not add up with the kind of people my parents are or were... its complicated but I don't want to write a giant wall which this is already turning into.

So fast forward to years later losing a parent and falling into the "marijuana trap" (which I'm positive is actually a trap put here by demons) at any rate... I eventually spiraled into a delusional paranoid state. Long story short I got clothes-lined while trying to run out of an intake area in a hospital... I remember going down, and then blackness, the next thing I know I'm in a bed being restrained by multiple people etc etc, they put me out, and then I wake up inside a psych ward, nothing on my head, no bump nothing, except an injury on my ankle that made no sense for how I had gone down....

Since then its an even longer story of addiction struggles and more psych wards, and hearing stuff, stuff thats not there.

Now here's where it gets creepy... just the other day I started hearing a chiming noise... no one heard it except me but it sounded exactly like a hospital patient monitor alarm of sorts and I had heard it many times in the past so I can clearly identify it. It started next to my ear, then as I started to search for the noise it started to move, then sounded like it was coming from a phone in my uncles pocket who was in the room. He didn't react and then I asked them (other relative in room) if they heard it and they said hear what, and then I asked about the phone noise. They both immediately proceeded to check their phones as this sound faded away in an arbitrary direction completely without reacting with the surrounding area.... it was as if they were prepared to react to my question to misdirect my mind.

On top of all this I have been reading the bible more so recently and have started praying occasionally... the most recent good prayer I said, I asked god to help the lost souls in this world, then today I said a prayer asking for wisdom in identifying evil and avoiding it, which I believe is why I begun thinking about this again.


So now that the story is out of the way, here is some science that isn't proven and won't be not in this world or this life. I've studied the big models that try to explain the universe and came to a conclusion, there is a God, and it is why we will never get a clear answer with any of these models, but there is one that can actually prove his existence floating around out there. I even have studied consciousness, and done many thought experiments about it and where dreams come from and more recently what happens to people in comas or experience head trauma...

When you go to sleep, you dream, when your dreaming you enter another persons consciousness either you or someone like you in your circumstances. Its done by either experiencing a person in another universe or even in this one who is awake and you become just another nueronic synapse in that persons mind, and are essentially along for the ride for the most part. (you can think and judge the occurrence but you have a hard time moving depending on who and where this consciousness is that you fused to)

You might say oh well your just paranoid about being in a coma and don't understand it... that's the thing though, I do and have held this position for a while even before I started questioning if I was in a coma.

The next part requires an understanding of brain activity during consciousness verse coma verse sleep.

consciousness the whole brain lights up etc etc, sleep, is relatively the SAME.... as coma patient, has almost NONE.

Now the next part of this is tricky to explain and has to do with the study of the very center of the brain... while some coma patients are completely out others have periodic fluctuations... some do some dont, maybe the some that dont have any are dead and keeping them on life support is like in humane from what I understand now about this.

So what are the fluctuations?

Dream state noise. Its a weak form of consciousness being displayed in a barely functioning brain that shows that person is somewhere else actually LIVING, like a dream... BUT its the same as reality to them.

The different, they aren't having a traditional dream, they could be in a realm constructed by whom ever God or the Devil.

This brings me back to my first serious head injury I had... everything I saw (btw I'm also an artist of sorts also and love studying pattern relation and aesthetics) looks exactly (abstractly speaking of course) like everything I saw as I feel backwards towards the ground.



Which brings me to my questions.

How many of you have had head trauma of any type and how has it effected your life? (you need to think memory wise like whats different in your memories before the injury and whats different now).

Then also anyone having any weird dreams that relate to your actual life?


I also forgot about another weird thing, right before my life got way worse (just recently) Was at a party had another head injury that should have knocked me out but didn't... and then got punched in the head like 8 times...
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Without wanting to sound dismissive, cynical or derisive, you should most definitely seek professional help before you sink into an ever-deepening pit of depression from which you can no longer extricate yourself.

The human brain, in spite of all our technological advances, is for humankind still an extremely complicated and poorly understood organ. The best neurosurgeons are still only barely scratching the surface of the workings of that still mostly mysterious part of our bodies. Posting such deep questions here will most likely not get you the answer you desire as, I venture to say, most of us on here are ill-equipped to peer deep into the human psyche, or rationally explain the physiological symptoms you describe.

An experienced psychiatrist would in my opinion be best equipped to help you with all your questions as he can put you under hypnosis, and take you back to your childhood injuries, and more importantly, how you reacted to them.
I would also insist on an EEG (electroencephalogram) to rule out brain damage.

I wish you nothing but the best in finding the answers you seek!
 
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