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No. I have never had to purchase completely new sets of peripherals with every new computer purchase, nor have I needed an adapter to use every single one of them. I still have the same external floppy drive that I had 15 years ago or something. No idea if it still functions, but it has the same connector that I've been using since the day I bought it up through the last MacBook Pro I had (2015). She printers. Same mice. Same X-keys. Had all these for many, many years.



So, essentially, your answer is that to use this MacBook, I really should just drop about ten grand on new external hardware? Thank god there are third party companies out there to cover Apple's slack. If only they were ready.

It's all backwards compatible, just like USB 1 is compatible with USB 2 hardware. You just need a $10 adapter to plug into a USB type A hub that runs everything just like normal. If you are using a keyboard and mouse, you're probably at a desk anyway. No need to even bring it along when mobile.
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Because it's a 'Pro' 460. Pro is actually code for 'significantly worse than' 460.

Even Nvidia's 1050 would run circles around this GPU, to say nothing of a 1050 ti.

1050 has a higher TDP
 
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Wow, that must be quite a deluxe dock!

I assume this is some sort of trolling? Either I need a bag of adapters (or a dock) or I need to buy all new stuff.

Must also have only peripherals that can't use USB or Thunderbolt.

Indeed. With my bag of adapters, or a dock, I can use them. Without, I can't use a single one of them. Gee...it's like that was the first point I made...

You haven't been around long enough, then.

My first computer was in 1983. Been through about ten since then. Is that not long enough?

It's all backwards compatible, just like USB 1 is compatible with USB 2 hardware. You just need a $10 adapter to plug into a USB type A hub that runs everything just like normal. If you are using a keyboard and mouse, you're probably at a desk anyway. No need to even bring it along when mobile.

It's all backwards compatible with a bag of adapters or a dock, well except for all of my power adapters which I bought just 18 months ago. Not a single existing peripheral is able to be plugged into this machine without an adapter, except speakers. Which was exactly the point I made in my first post which ruffled so many feathers. I've been waiting for a dock to be released so that I could make full use of this laptop, and have decided not to buy a bag of adapters in the mean time. Thus, I have been without use of my full system for the last two months. Apple already got over $3000 of my money. They can suck it on me funding their adapter profit venture.
 
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My 13" MacBook Pro TB is going strong. I will never look back. Beautiful, fast and reliable machine to do my work.

What more can you ask for?

Happy user here :)
 
I assume this is some sort of trolling? Either I need a bag of adapters (or a dock) or I need to buy all new stuff.

Ha, so the guy who claims it will cost $10K thinks someone else is trolling? This is silly. Cheap cables, adapters or hubs will work fine to do everything the older machines do. I don't know why you think these things aren't available.

The reverse isn't true, no adapter or dock is going to give the older machines the power and flexibility of the new ports, not even close. Apple has maximized the efficiency of the ports.
 
Price aside, it is a great machine except two glaring issues:
  • No matter what I do, no matter that version of OSMac, no matter what browser I use, no matter the screen brightness... I simply cannot manage to squeeze more than 5 hours of battery life. I went to the Genius Bar, they ran all types of checks, and they said that hardware is fine.

  • The touch bar is a complete waste. After having worked daily on this puppy for months, I still cannot find any non-gimmicky use for this thing.

Other than that, it's awesome: very portable, amazing screen, love the keyboard, great sound, ultra fast SSD, top build quality, etc.
 
No matter what I do, no matter that version of OSMac, no matter what browser I use, no matter the screen brightness... I simply cannot manage to squeeze more than 5 hours of battery life. I went to the Genius Bar, they ran all types of checks, and they said that hardware is fine.

13", right? That's the one many people have trouble with, battery-wise. The power must be going somewhere. You can probably figure it out if it's worth the trouble to you.
 
I am definitely still loving mine. I have yet to experience any of the issues others have had.

I am a pretty basic user though.
 
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Sometimes I feel like I'm addicted, or am just a glutton for punishment. I had nothing but problems with the 13" 2016 with touch bar, got rid of it, and am now on the way home with the 15" version.

Perhaps I will have better luck with this one. No matter what happens, I'll be in good shape with a 2015 MacBook and 2014 maxed out 5k iMac at home. I'm just begging this one to work well.
 
I assume this is some sort of trolling? Either I need a bag of adapters (or a dock) or I need to buy all new stuff.



Indeed. With my bag of adapters, or a dock, I can use them. Without, I can't use a single one of them. Gee...it's like that was the first point I made...



My first computer was in 1983. Been through about ten since then. Is that not long enough?



It's all backwards compatible with a bag of adapters or a dock, well except for all of my power adapters which I bought just 18 months ago. Not a single existing peripheral is able to be plugged into this machine without an adapter, except speakers. Which was exactly the point I made in my first post which ruffled so many feathers. I've been waiting for a dock to be released so that I could make full use of this laptop, and have decided not to buy a bag of adapters in the mean time. Thus, I have been without use of my full system for the last two months. Apple already got over $3000 of my money. They can suck it on me funding their adapter profit venture.

Eh, you can get third party adapters. I saw a deal on amazon for 2 adapters for $6. These things are cheap. Anyway, I much prefer compatibility with a cheap adapter than being locked out of using a device entirely. Also, the entire industry is switching to USB C. It's not just an Apple thing.
 
Eh, you can get third party adapters. I saw a deal on amazon for 2 adapters for $6. These things are cheap. Anyway, I much prefer compatibility with a cheap adapter than being locked out of using a device entirely. Also, the entire industry is switching to USB C. It's not just an Apple thing.

Funny enough people can't plug their iPhones into this device without an adapter, meanwhile I can plug in my Google Pixel without any sort of adapter since it's USB-C haha.
 
I will use another car analogy. Going from my MBP 09 to the 16 felt like buying a brand new car after having a 10 year old one. Sure the old one will still get you from point A to B but technology and needs change after a decade. People say it's all incremental improvements but they make a big difference in the overall experience. I just work now as opposed to wishing my computer did this or that. It just does now. 4 months in, it's almost a non-factor in my life. It just let's me work (and entertain) without compromise.

People who are still complaining about dongles must have a much different workflow than mine. Not that differences don't exist but our needs are clearly different. I just want a computer to integrate in my world. I have no interest in having a pissing match on specs or ports or anything else. I just want seamless integration in the real world.
 
I seriously cannot decide between the 2016 13" no touch vs the 2015 15" base model. I keep going back and forth and all of my pros and cons matches out so it's just one big mess.

I can get the 2015 for about $1500 and the 2016 for about $1250.

It will be my ONLY computer, and although my needs aren't anything crazy - no heavy photo or video editing, I still want the computer to be fast and be able to last me a few years. I will be a graduate student and traveling between home to school but right now I am with a 14" HP Elitebook and face no issues with portability.. The only reason I want the larger screen size is because I wont really have any other form for entertainment system for at least a year. No TV, no speakers, no nothing. I will be writing a lot of papers and researching for hours on straight.

The thing stopping me from purchasing the 2015 is the small trackpad, worse speakers, and worse display.
The thing stopping me from purchasing the 2016 is the screen size

I don't care about the ports because I never use them anyway. The keyboard I am not sure about. It's not a big deal either way.

Someone, PLEASE help. What do I do?!
 
I seriously cannot decide between the 2016 13" no touch vs the 2015 15" base model. I keep going back and forth and all of my pros and cons matches out so it's just one big mess.

I can get the 2015 for about $1500 and the 2016 for about $1250.

It will be my ONLY computer, and although my needs aren't anything crazy - no heavy photo or video editing, I still want the computer to be fast and be able to last me a few years. I will be a graduate student and traveling between home to school but right now I am with a 14" HP Elitebook and face no issues with portability.. The only reason I want the larger screen size is because I wont really have any other form for entertainment system for at least a year. No TV, no speakers, no nothing. I will be writing a lot of papers and researching for hours on straight.

The thing stopping me from purchasing the 2015 is the small trackpad, worse speakers, and worse display.
The thing stopping me from purchasing the 2016 is the screen size

I don't care about the ports because I never use them anyway. The keyboard I am not sure about. It's not a big deal either way.

Someone, PLEASE help. What do I do?!

For most uses, the difference in screen contrast and brightness and speakers don't matter as much as the screen size. For an entertainment center, the larger screen is also nicer, as you say. You can hook up speakers or headphones. I'd personally go with the 15" if portability isn't an issue.
 
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For most uses, the difference in screen contrast and brightness and speakers don't matter as much as the screen size. For an entertainment center, the larger screen is also nicer, as you say. You can hook up speakers or headphones. I'd personally go with the 15" if portability isn't an issue.

Thank you. I do appreciate your input. I do feel like I would be missing out from that new trackpad, however stupid that may seem. It seems like an awesome tool. It seems so difficult to determine if my needs really do point toward a 15" but I have somehow convinced myself that the bigger screen, the easier to do word processing and research on..
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Get the 2015 15".

Due to its screen size?
 
Due to its screen size?

Screen size which you said you'd miss, quad-core processing which is much faster than the 2016 13" dual-core, keyboard, trackpad, general user experience, and reliability. The 2015 is a mature and refined product in both its design and, more importantly, execution. I've had two different 2016 15" models and suffice it to say they are a sad joke. IMO, obviously.

'You pays your money and you makes your choice . . . '
 
I love my 13' MBP right now. The only problem I have with the laptop is the occasional popping sound coming from the laptop itself. I assume it's electrical related but it doesnt happen too often.
 
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I seriously cannot decide between the 2016 13" no touch vs the 2015 15" base model. I keep going back and forth and all of my pros and cons matches out so it's just one big mess.

I can get the 2015 for about $1500 and the 2016 for about $1250.

It will be my ONLY computer, and although my needs aren't anything crazy - no heavy photo or video editing, I still want the computer to be fast and be able to last me a few years. I will be a graduate student and traveling between home to school but right now I am with a 14" HP Elitebook and face no issues with portability.. The only reason I want the larger screen size is because I wont really have any other form for entertainment system for at least a year. No TV, no speakers, no nothing. I will be writing a lot of papers and researching for hours on straight.

The thing stopping me from purchasing the 2015 is the small trackpad, worse speakers, and worse display.
The thing stopping me from purchasing the 2016 is the screen size

I don't care about the ports because I never use them anyway. The keyboard I am not sure about. It's not a big deal either way.

Someone, PLEASE help. What do I do?!

If i were you i would have gone with the 2015. It is just better given your situation, get it please.
 
Simple answer: no, not happy. Can not recommend.

Have a 15", 2.9GHz, 1TB, 460 . . . On the plus side, upgrading from a 2010 MBP custom, the screen is fantastic, footprint and weight greatly reduced.

Neutral side, like the ability to charge on either side, like the ports being uniform. Dongles, plugs, etc., not an issue as always have to have a plug for something . .

Negatives, too many to mention. The most recent s the replacement of the keyboard. Again. Touchbar is useless. Want my function keys, not have to touch two times that what only took one touch previously. And gone are the days of a couple of hour turn around at Apple. Every repair to date requires shipping the machine away to a repair centre for a week or more . . . Miss the MagSafe. Palm rejection is terrible, as is the touchpad the size of an aircraft carrier.
 
Screen size which you said you'd miss, quad-core processing which is much faster than the 2016 13" dual-core, keyboard, trackpad, general user experience, and reliability. The 2015 is a mature and refined product in both its design and, more importantly, execution. I've had two different 2016 15" models and suffice it to say they are a sad joke. IMO, obviously.

'You pays your money and you makes your choice . . . '

To the both of you: I have almost decided on the 2015 15". Last important question: What can I expect from the battery life? I see articles written that I will get close to 10 hours and other users saying it is more like 4-5.

If it is the latter, I simply cannot go with the 15". I will be away from home up to ten hours a day and thus a longer battery life is essential. I could probably live with 8-9 hours if the 15" is capable of that. What are your experiences?
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If i were you i would have gone with the 2015. It is just better given your situation, get it please.
 
To the both of you: I have almost decided on the 2015 15". Last important question: What can I expect from the battery life? I see articles written that I will get close to 10 hours and other users saying it is more like 4-5.

If it is the latter, I simply cannot go with the 15". I will be away from home up to ten hours a day and thus a longer battery life is essential. I could probably live with 8-9 hours if the 15" is capable of that. What are your experiences?
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Assuming it is the base 2015, with integrated graphics, I would get 7-8 hours out of a Mid-2014; the 2015 was rated to have 9 hours of life.

Obviously it depends on a LOT of factors, but the two big ones are screen brightness and what you're doing with it. If you need to constantly run the CPU at 80-90%, you'll get a couple of hours; if you're doing Office, the web, etc., you'll get more like 9-10 (assuming brightness set at about half, which is where I set it).

Hope that helps.
 
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