There's no doubt that there are articles about this, mostly separate ones, but many overall Google I/O articles that were overviews/highlights/summaries of the keynote didn't cover it.
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How is it possible there is still no CarPlay forum?
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Google has just announced a major update to Android Auto. My bet is that they rushed it out as an attempted preemptive strike against Apple, who may be launching their own update of CarPlay at next month's WWDC.
...and MacRumors seems so dead set against any discussion of automobile operating systems, that they didn't even mention the Android Auto update in their front page story: Google I/O 2016: Assistant, Home, Allo, Duo, Android N, and More (no, not even in the "and More" section).
I'm beginning to wonder whether if MacRumors has a secret anti-car bicycle advocacy agenda.
I believe we both have the same goal here - - to defend MacRumors.
You are defending them by saying that since some other media didn't cover the Android Auto update, that it is okay that MacRumors also did not.
I am defending MacRumors by urging them to keep up-to-date with the interests of their readership. As a forum member for 8 years, I hope to see them keep relevant to the evolving world of Apple products and services (and those of their competitors' directly competing products and services).
I'm just commenting on what I observed in various highlight articles I read through from different sites yesterday.
Even within the discussions here about it from users it didn't really come up. On the other hand a number of comments about why Android news in general are even posted here did come up. Certainly a variety of takes on it all from all kinds of different readers.
Here's a head-to-head comparison of Apple CarPlay vs Android Auto.
The following quote from the article's verdict, nicely sums up the current relevance and utility of smartphone-based car infotainment systems:
The following quote from the article's verdict, nicely sums up the current relevance and utility of smartphone-based car infotainment systems:
"It’s fair to say that neither of these smartphone-based in-car entertainment systems is close to perfect, and yet I wouldn’t buy a new car now that didn’t have them onboard because both have more potential than anything a car manufacturer is building itself.
Throw your lot in with Apple or Google and you can be pretty darn confident that updates and apps will come at least relatively regularly. Buy a car with neither and there’s every chance you’ll be stuck with the same infotainment for the life of the motor. Urgh."
Throw your lot in with Apple or Google and you can be pretty darn confident that updates and apps will come at least relatively regularly. Buy a car with neither and there’s every chance you’ll be stuck with the same infotainment for the life of the motor. Urgh."
I'm posting here to also request a subforum. I just got an AVH-4100NEX in my truck, and would love to discuss my experiences, questions, and concerns in this forum.
I would like to see a subforum with the following smaller subforums: CarPlay, CarPlay - OEM, CarPlay - Aftermarket.
The general CarPlay, can be for all things not specific to actual hardware, i.e. software, tips n' tricks...
This will also help people pick which auto manufacturer to go with in their next car, and see if they would prefer aftermarket instead of OEM integration.
I would like to see a subforum with the following smaller subforums: CarPlay, CarPlay - OEM, CarPlay - Aftermarket.
The general CarPlay, can be for all things not specific to actual hardware, i.e. software, tips n' tricks...
This will also help people pick which auto manufacturer to go with in their next car, and see if they would prefer aftermarket instead of OEM integration.
It would be 1 forum with 2 subforums (basically a way to group them for organization). Think of OEM and Aftermarket as a way to group conversations specific to radio manufacturers. Just a suggestion, but not a requirement. For the amount of vehicles coming with CarPlay now or being installed aftermarket we are getting to the point were we have a need for resources that are specific to CarPlay.
I had to search other forums to find CarPlay info that wasn't on this site.
I have to agree with the OP... I think that in a forum such as this you need to support the major platforms of Apple. I see CarPlay as being very similar to HomeKit, and you have a forum for that. In the past, I started and operated a tech forum that was pushing a million unique visitors a month... much smaller than MR, but large enough to understand forum-think.
I just jumped into CarPlay this week with researching and installing a system for my truck. I found that the information available was scattered all over the internet and had a number of bumps trying to get everything to work. I'm sure if there was a dedicated forum here then that discussion would be centralized here. For example, a lot of the discussion about CarPlay was on Apple's own forums... there is quite a bit there. I ran into an obscure issue that drove me crazy for hours that prevented my iPhone 6s Plus from working, but my daughter's iPhone 6 worked with it fine. Apparently a parental control restriction can be set to disable CarPlay... I don't remember ever setting parental restrictions and ended up having to reset my iPhone as a new device to get around it. While this is an iPhone issue so to speak, it was also tied to CarPlay and I would have much more easily uncovered it had it been discussed in a CarPlay forum here. As such, I took my discussion elsewhere since there wasn't a place here for it. So the next person that runs into that problem, and there will be many I'm sure, will go elsewhere to discuss it.
its ultimately the MR Admin's decision, but you are missing a big opportunity. CarPlay is expanding very rapidly if you look at the long list of car makers jumping into the fray. You miss establishing yourself as THE place for CarPlay discussion when it starts out, you may never get it back. That is the way tech forums lose some of their relevance as tech shifts over time. I understand too the hesitance to have an inactive subforum that appears inactive or "dead"... people don't post in them. But hard to see CarPlay not taking off if there was a place for it... status quo will be that you continue to see no demand if there isn't a dedicated place... and those people will go elsewhere to get help.
I just jumped into CarPlay this week with researching and installing a system for my truck. I found that the information available was scattered all over the internet and had a number of bumps trying to get everything to work. I'm sure if there was a dedicated forum here then that discussion would be centralized here. For example, a lot of the discussion about CarPlay was on Apple's own forums... there is quite a bit there. I ran into an obscure issue that drove me crazy for hours that prevented my iPhone 6s Plus from working, but my daughter's iPhone 6 worked with it fine. Apparently a parental control restriction can be set to disable CarPlay... I don't remember ever setting parental restrictions and ended up having to reset my iPhone as a new device to get around it. While this is an iPhone issue so to speak, it was also tied to CarPlay and I would have much more easily uncovered it had it been discussed in a CarPlay forum here. As such, I took my discussion elsewhere since there wasn't a place here for it. So the next person that runs into that problem, and there will be many I'm sure, will go elsewhere to discuss it.
its ultimately the MR Admin's decision, but you are missing a big opportunity. CarPlay is expanding very rapidly if you look at the long list of car makers jumping into the fray. You miss establishing yourself as THE place for CarPlay discussion when it starts out, you may never get it back. That is the way tech forums lose some of their relevance as tech shifts over time. I understand too the hesitance to have an inactive subforum that appears inactive or "dead"... people don't post in them. But hard to see CarPlay not taking off if there was a place for it... status quo will be that you continue to see no demand if there isn't a dedicated place... and those people will go elsewhere to get help.
Good thing Apple unveiled a bunch of new things for CarPlay at WWDC like rearranging icons, to move it beyond hobby project status! /s
Raising my hand to voice that it's time.
If you're going to have a tvOS programming forum, there can probably be a Carplay one.
If you're going to have a tvOS programming forum, there can probably be a Carplay one.
I believe most people have been posting in the iOS forum... since CarPlay is in iOS. Of course there are multiple iOS forums so that brings us back to ... wouldn't it be nice if there were a CarPlay forum. There are two other sites I've been getting help from for CarPlay, that do seem to want to support users with it. http://avic411.com and http://carplaylife.com The first site is geared toward Pioneer head units, but a lot of CarPlay discussion there that is pretty generic.
So I was looking for a Carplay compatible receiver, but needed to check other peoples options and experience with the aftermarket ones i.e. Alpine, Pioneer etc..
I naturally thought hey why not check on Macrumors they surely must have a dedicated sub forum for Carplay. So as it turns out no... wtf!?
Seriously it is an Apple product so there will be enough discussion on it to have a dedicated forum, sort it out Mods!!
I naturally thought hey why not check on Macrumors they surely must have a dedicated sub forum for Carplay. So as it turns out no... wtf!?
Seriously it is an Apple product so there will be enough discussion on it to have a dedicated forum, sort it out Mods!!
Concurrent with next month's announcement of the new iPhone, Apple will be celebrating the 2nd anniversary of the launch of CarPlay (and soon after, the 3rd anniversary of it's progenitor Siri Eyes Free).
Has there ever been a longer gap between Apple's launch of a product, system, or service and the creation of a forum to host it's discussion here on the MacRumors forums?
Has there ever been a longer gap between Apple's launch of a product, system, or service and the creation of a forum to host it's discussion here on the MacRumors forums?
Sony is releasing some after market units soon and Kenwood just launched a entirely new range... And we need someone to talk about it all, but it won't be here.
Serious question to admin/mods. Why the resistance to a CarPlay forum? I am naive to expense/time to create and maintain. I just don't understand if this is just based on principle of perceived lack of interest or the resources needed don't justify the forum.
On a side note I have the luxury of an iPhone 6s Plus for my personal and a Galaxy S7 edge for my work phone. Android auto for now does feel much more seamless going back and forth between apps. Scrolling back and forth feels much more fluid then opening and closing apps. With that said my biggest complaint is aimed at both Android and Apple with their petty war of not having native cross platform apps. I realize it's about pride and money but I get frustrated with having to start Amazon music on my phone then go to "now playing" with CarPlay and vice versa with Apple Music on Android Auto. IOS 10 Maps does look great on CarPlay but once again I hate having to switch to my S7 Edge if I prefer Google Maps for a trip.
Final thoughts are I would wait one more generation before investing in an aftermarket HU just for CarPlay. More than likely it will be wireless next year and even if you don't mind having your phone plugged in, you will enjoy having the option.
On a side note I have the luxury of an iPhone 6s Plus for my personal and a Galaxy S7 edge for my work phone. Android auto for now does feel much more seamless going back and forth between apps. Scrolling back and forth feels much more fluid then opening and closing apps. With that said my biggest complaint is aimed at both Android and Apple with their petty war of not having native cross platform apps. I realize it's about pride and money but I get frustrated with having to start Amazon music on my phone then go to "now playing" with CarPlay and vice versa with Apple Music on Android Auto. IOS 10 Maps does look great on CarPlay but once again I hate having to switch to my S7 Edge if I prefer Google Maps for a trip.
Final thoughts are I would wait one more generation before investing in an aftermarket HU just for CarPlay. More than likely it will be wireless next year and even if you don't mind having your phone plugged in, you will enjoy having the option.
Too bad, because the CarPlay update being released in 2 weeks with OSX 10 is by far the biggest one yet. Here is a summary of some of CarPlay's new features:
- Updated Maps app
- Ability to rearrange apps on the home screen
- turn-by-turn directions available directly in instrument cluster
- live traffic
- automatically remembers where you parked
- alternate route suggestions
- improved automatic scaling and zooming relevant to route
- Updated Music app- live traffic
- automatically remembers where you parked
- alternate route suggestions
- improved automatic scaling and zooming relevant to route
- changes to library categories are mirrored in CarPlay
- improved navigation within app
- Third Party VoIP Apps- improved navigation within app
- now including Skype, Facebook Messenger, WhatsApp
- native voice calls, with full history and contacts
- Siri control of these 3rd party VoIP apps
- Ability to remove stock apps- native voice calls, with full history and contacts
- Siri control of these 3rd party VoIP apps
- Ability to rearrange apps on the home screen
Its being discussed internally but here's what I found
Searching for Carplay in the title, with a date filter of anything newer then 04/30/2016. I only get 30 threads returned. Here's the breakdown (I broke out the news threads since they would not go into a separate forum):
- 4 news threads
- 1 thread created in May
- 9 threads created in Jun
- 9 threads created in Jul
- 7 threads created in Aug
Given the desire to avoid forum bloat, lack of activity and increased moderation workload (another forum to work with), it doesn't seem like the Carplay subject is a good candidate for its own forum. I understand that its important to a number of folks but there doesn't seem to be a topic that is generating much discussions.
Isn't this like the chicken and the egg scenario? Perhaps there aren't many posts, because there is no forum to post them in.
Heck, there is still a place to post about PPC devices
Heck, there is still a place to post about PPC devices
Should we treat this thread as the CarPlay forum in the absence of a real one? Here's the discussion I want to start: I just tried CP at my local Audi dealership. It's decent looking on the screen, but for those who have used it more extensively, I wonder how well it works for finding music, etc., while driving. Also, I'm not sure it really plays well with Audi's non-touchscreen approach. Audi's distaste for touchscreen interfaces reminds me of Apple's approach with the Mac, so it would be ironic if CarPlay doesn't work well that way. Thoughts?
(Mods, if you create a CP forum, I would be grateful if you would make the relevant part of my post into a thread. Thanks.)
(Mods, if you create a CP forum, I would be grateful if you would make the relevant part of my post into a thread. Thanks.)