How is lightning jack not capable of simultaneous charging and data transfer?

[shox2k2]

Apples already said they offer something. The desktop charger. It uses the old headphone plug. Then you can charge and listen. I think the wireless charging wasn't ready yet so they had to go forward with what they had ready.

Next year you will hear that people wanted to do both so they are introducing wireless charging. Or how they wanted to do it the right way so it took time.

 

[jason0u]

That's the Belkin adapter.

http://www.theverge.com/2016/9/8/12852098/belkin-apple-iphone-7-plus-adapter-dongle-charge-music

They didn't fail to accommodate. They just chose to not to.

As stated in the article, they WORKED with Belkin to develop this. They just didn't want to create it THEMSELVES.

THIS IS YOUR SOLUTION. IT WAS ANSWERED IN THE FIRST RESPONSE IN THIS THREAD.

I know it was. I saw the adapter. Then throngs of people came in and needlessly criticized what a stupid idea it should be for someone to need this...Which wholly disregards that the main negative people are complaining about is not having this capability out of the box.

 

[rawlus]

Actually, its akin to comparing it to what apple has done in the past when they change standards from previous iterations of their product.

Put down the crack pipe... every technical standard that ever existed became a new standard over time. This is how technology evolves... do you wish we were still using flip phones and iPod classic? Change is a mandate.

 

[jason0u]

They didn't provide a solution because they don't see this as a problem.

Apple is changing the standard because they want to change the way we use our phones. How much sense does it make to provide an adapter that completely defeats the purpose of what they're doing?

It makes sense because people will always want to charge their phone and listen at the same time. And not be forced to use bluetooth headphones. If wireless charging wasnt ready at time of release, which presumably is their solution for this in the future, then an adapter seems like a good alternative. If its third party, fine. Apple is lazy, which has already been demonstrated by the lack of innovation in this release. Of all the articles I have read, none have pointed to this adapter being available or even possible. Which is why, *gasp* I came to this forum to ask the question.

 

[NT1440]

It makes sense because people will always want to charge their phone and listen at the same time. And not be forced to use bluetooth headphones. If wireless charging wasnt ready at time of release, which presumably is their solution for this in the future, then an adapter seems like a good alternative. If its third party, fine. Apple is lazy, which has already been demonstrated by the lack of innovation in this release. Of all the articles I have read, none have pointed to this adapter being available or even possible. Which is why, *gasp* I came to this forum to ask the question.

What do you mean lazy? Wasn't it announced that the Belkin dock was specifically designed with Apple?

 

[rawlus]

It makes sense because people will always want to charge their phone and listen at the same time. And not be forced to use bluetooth headphones. If wireless charging wasnt ready at time of release, which presumably is their solution for this in the future, then an adapter seems like a good alternative. If its third party, fine. Apple is lazy, which has already been demonstrated by the lack of innovation in this release.

You have not lost anything. The need you describe is still possible to fulfill. It is not, however, part of the iPhone vision for the future. So you see, Apple is pursuing that vision, while not depriving you from your contentedness in the now.

And now because you are unsatisfied, you come to the conclusion that Apple is lazy. Good argument. Maybe look up logical fallacies brah.

 

[BeeGood]

It makes sense because people will always want to charge their phone and listen at the same time. And not be forced to use bluetooth headphones. If wireless charging wasnt ready at time of release, which presumably is their solution for this in the future, then an adapter seems like a good alternative. If its third party, fine. Apple is lazy, which has already been demonstrated by the lack of innovation in this release. Of all the articles I have read, none have pointed to this adapter being available or even possible. Which is why, *gasp* I came to this forum to ask the question.

If you say so. Hope you found what you were looking for.

 

[jason0u]

What do you mean lazy? Wasn't it announced that the Belkin dock was specifically designed with Apple?

How should I know.
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If you say so. Hope you found what you were looking for.

I did find what I am looking for. I have been persuaded into buying the iPhone 7 because there exists an adapter for an issue that was dissuading me from buying and iPhone 7. Honestly, though, none of the articles I have read talking about this issue have listed the Belkin thing as an option. As far as I could tell, it wasn't possible.

 

[Macalway]

Actually, you must be able to do this. Otherwise the new phone would be a worthless turd. note: this functionality was only recently implemented across all the iOS range. FYI

So, IMHO, regardless of the headaches losing Jack, at least now there's only one wire coming out of it (in spite of lack of choice, of course). Also, it might be fun seeing the zillion adapters flood in now, and the brutal competition of DAC specs. Should be amusing.

(I don't even see Bluetooth as an option for serious music listening. Only Beat listeners will want those

 

[rawlus]

The same outrage existing when Apple produced a glass phone - why make something you carry all day out of glass?
When the familiar keypad of a blackberry was replaced with an inferior image-based keyboard with no sense of feel

People had a hard time adjusting, until they had actual hands on experience with it, adjusted to it and came to appreciate it.

Most of the people crying about the loss of a headphone jack will probably try some Bluetooth earbuds, and having done so, will begin to appreciate the benefits of wireless even if it's a slight tradeoff in some other aspect. Life is all about trade offs.

The wireless will become the norm and people will forget about being physically attached to their phone by a cord to their ears.

My prediction will be that when wireless charging does come out, people will complain that charging is quicker with a wall socket connection and it sucks and blah blah. Because people tend to want to find fault in new things than try it out first and see what the real world effect is.

 

[NT1440]

How should I know.
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From the Macrumors front page article:

"According to Belkin, the Lightning Audio + Charge RockStar was developed "closely" with Apple, and it does indeed resemble Apple's own iOS adapter accessories."

Not saying that you should be required to visit the front page constantly (I'd imagine you have better things to do with your life ) but that was a pretty big thread regarding the exact issue you're discussing in this.

 

[jason0u]

The bright side to this whole discussion is since it is solely 3rd party, it will probably last longer than a few months before being rendered useless due to frayed wires.
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From the Macrumors front page article:

"According to Belkin, the Lightning Audio + Charge RockStar was developed "closely" with Apple, and it does indeed resemble Apple's own iOS adapter accessories."

Not saying that you should be required to visit the front page constantly (I'd imagine you have better things to do with your life ) but that was a pretty big thread regarding the exact issue you're discussing in this.

I signed up on this forum for this question specifically. I did not know there was a front page.

 

[lordofthereef]

You are all missing the point. If it is possible to do both, then all Apple would need to do is design the lightning headphones with a jumper jack (miniaturized Y-connector) to plug a power cable in, or a power cable with a jumper jack to plug a headphone in. Thought that was obvious....
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Which sounds to me like a design shortcoming to the lightning port and connector, like I already stated.

It sounds to me your question isn't one of capability (as your original question implies and hence the initial responders not knowing what you're talking about) and more of a question of why Apple designed their headphones the way they did.

My simple response is: cost. There are likely far fewer people asking for this design than those that aren't. Why increase costs if they don't need to? Same reason we had a 16gb base iPhone for more than half a decade.

 

[KRG]

Apple is lazy, which has already been demonstrated by the lack of innovation in this release.

LOL.

If you think the iPhone 7 exemplifies what Apple has been doing for the past year you're crazy. The iphone 7 was merely a side project while the real innovation is brewing. I expect to be wowed again over the next 12 months.

 

[Macalway]

The bright side to this whole discussion is since it is solely 3rd party, it will probably last longer than a few months before being rendered useless due to frayed wires.
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I signed up on this forum for this question specifically. I did not know there was a front page.

No harm in starting a redundant thread.

 

[lordofthereef]

The bright side to this whole discussion is since it is solely 3rd party, it will probably last longer than a few months before being rendered useless due to frayed wires.

Agreed. Apple cables all fall apart on me in less than a year.

 

[NT1440]

I signed up on this forum for this question specifically. I did not know there was a front page.

Oh! I wasn't aware of that, sorry!

 

[Dmal99]

Apple isn't going to provide what's basically a "Y adapter aka splitter" as a pack in. That would be admitting that they failed to build into the phone something necessary. Come on now, unless you just joined the cult of Apple, you know EXACTLY why they didn't do this.
Thread done?

 

[jason0u]

LOL.

If you think the iPhone 7 exemplifies what Apple has been doing for the past year you're crazy. The iphone 7 was merely a side project while the real innovation is brewing. I expect to be wowed again over the next 12 months.

Soooo, DON'T buy the new iPhone?

 

[stlredbird]

This thread is hilarious. It should have contained two replies, the answer and then the TC replying with 'oh ya, duh'.

 

[noobinator]

Agreed. Apple cables all fall apart on me in less than a year.

Do you exchange them under the warranty? (if under a year)

 

[zet-]

From the Macrumors front page article:

"According to Belkin, the Lightning Audio + Charge RockStar was developed "closely" with Apple, and it does indeed resemble Apple's own iOS adapter accessories."

Not saying that you should be required to visit the front page constantly (I'd imagine you have better things to do with your life ) but that was a pretty big thread regarding the exact issue you're discussing in this.

I also replied with an article stating that as well as stating it in my post to which he even quoted and replied to

That's the Belkin adapter.

http://www.theverge.com/2016/9/8/12852098/belkin-apple-iphone-7-plus-adapter-dongle-charge-music

They didn't fail to accommodate. They just chose to not to.

As stated in the article, they WORKED with Belkin to develop this. They just didn't want to create it THEMSELVES.

THIS IS YOUR SOLUTION. IT WAS ANSWERED IN THE FIRST RESPONSE IN THIS THREAD.

I know it was. I saw the adapter. Then throngs of people came in and needlessly criticized what a stupid idea it should be for someone to need this...Which wholly disregards that the main negative people are complaining about is not having this capability out of the box.

 

[jason0u]

Apple isn't going to provide what's basically a "Y adapter aka splitter" as a pack in. That would be admitting that they failed to build into the phone something necessary. Come on now, unless you just joined the cult of Apple, you know EXACTLY why they didn't do this.
Thread done?

Thread done, but to your point, the 30 pin to lightning connector wasn't a pack in either, AFAIR. But still developed by Apple.
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I also replied with an article stating that as well as stating it in my post to which he even quoted and replied to

Yea, well when your very first reply had nothing to offer but condescension I am certainly not going to visit links you post later when you actually decide to contribute to the discussion. :rollseyes:

 

[zet-]

Thread done, but to your point, the 30 pin to lightning connector wasn't a pack in either, AFAIR. But still developed by Apple.
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Yea, well when your very first reply had nothing to offer but condescension I am certainly not going to visit links you post later when you actually decide to contribute to the discussion. :rollseyes:

You didn't have to visit the link to read what I posted:

That's the Belkin adapter.
As stated in the article, they WORKED with Belkin to develop this. They just didn't want to create it THEMSELVES.

 

[lordofthereef]

Do you exchange them under the warranty? (if under a year)

I have before. But I've decided to just go with other brands by convenience alone. I have a three year old belkin that I use in bed that is just now finally starting to split. It's just not worth driving to Apple on a semi regular basis over cabkesnthat I can replace for $10 and have lasted much longer.