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So I was snooping around the app store and I found a pretty good app called Noteshelf. There's a free version and I bought the full version after tinkering for 10 mins. The palm rejection is pretty good (not perfect) but the annotation is pretty accurate. It also pairs with adonit touch and script. I'm using a crappy $5 stylus right now. Not sure if it's as accurate as S-pen as my wife has it right now but I can't wait to compare it. Anyone has experience with this app?
 
So I was snooping around the app store and I found a pretty good app called Noteshelf. There's a free version and I bought the full version after tinkering for 10 mins. The palm rejection is pretty good (not perfect) but the annotation is pretty accurate. It also pairs with adonit touch and script. I'm using a crappy $5 stylus right now. Not sure if it's as accurate as S-pen as my wife has it right now but I can't wait to compare it. Anyone has experience with this app?

I have tried NoteShelf extensively, and it is currently my second favorite app for handwriting I have found. The inking is very good, as is the palm rejection. My problems are that my bluetooth Jot Touch does not always connect reliably, and when it does connect I actually get a somewhat worse writing experience than unpaired - where it starts to drop characters, etc. Pairing gives me access to the shortcut buttons and pressure sensitivity though.

It's a good app, it's just not as good as Goodnotes, imo.
 
I have tried NoteShelf extensively, and it is currently my second favorite app for handwriting I have found. The inking is very good, as is the palm rejection. My problems are that my bluetooth Jot Touch does not always connect reliably, and when it does connect I actually get a somewhat worse writing experience than unpaired - where it starts to drop characters, etc. Pairing gives me access to the shortcut buttons and pressure sensitivity though.

It's a good app, it's just not as good as Goodnotes, imo.

So you're saying on the regular stylus, noteshelf is better? But on the Jot, the goodnote is better?
 
So you're saying on the regular stylus, noteshelf is better? But on the Jot, the goodnote is better?

No, I don't ever use a regular stylus. I'm saying that with my Touch, when it is paired as I want it to be, doesn't work as well as it should - in fact it gets less reliable in NoteShelf rather than more.

Either NoteShelf or Goodnotes should pair very well with a more basic stylus like the Jot Pro because the tip is the same. You don't get the shortcut buttons, pressure sensitivity, or additional palm rejection features of the Touch, but the palm rejection in the software of both of these apps is quite good on its own.

There is a free version of Goodnotes that is worth trying out to compare for yourself.
 
No, I don't ever use a regular stylus. I'm saying that with my Touch, when it is paired as I want it to be, doesn't work as well as it should - in fact it gets less reliable in NoteShelf rather than more.

Either NoteShelf or Goodnotes should pair very well with a more basic stylus like the Jot Pro because the tip is the same. You don't get the shortcut buttons, pressure sensitivity, or additional palm rejection features of the Touch, but the palm rejection in the software of both of these apps is quite good on its own.

There is a free version of Goodnotes that is worth trying out to compare for yourself.


Link to free good note? Can't find it
 
Link to free good note? Can't find it

Hmm. It was there with the last version. Perhaps he discontinued that with version 4 or it just hasn't made it to the app store yet (v4 just released yesterday).

Or you could just trust me when I say that if you like NoteShelf, you'll like GoodNotes. ;)
 
Hmm. It was there with the last version. Perhaps he discontinued that with version 4 or it just hasn't made it to the app store yet (v4 just released yesterday).

Or you could just trust me when I say that if you like NoteShelf, you'll like GoodNotes. ;)


Yes when Goodnotes 4 was released they removed Goodnotes 3 from the app store. Goodnotes 4 is on sale right now though.
 
Hmm. It was there with the last version. Perhaps he discontinued that with version 4 or it just hasn't made it to the app store yet (v4 just released yesterday).



Or you could just trust me when I say that if you like NoteShelf, you'll like GoodNotes. ;)


Can I add a tag box? Like I highlight a word and a box opens to reveal more notes?

At this point I apologize to the OP for hijacking this thread.
 
I don't think it's the stylus that is the weakness

But rather the screen and the OS. For the stylus to be precise, the screen has to have more precise recognition, not the case with a screen designed for fatter fingers.

I don't see why Apple can't design such a screen and OS to work well with both stylus and fingers.
 
I am somewhat surprised that so many posters in a mac rumors thread do not understand the difference between a capacitative stylus like those used on the ipad and an wacom active digitizer found on the Note or Surface. IMO--there is no comparison--the wacom interface has f-a-r greater resolution, true pressure sensitivity, allows for a pen-like point, and has reliable palm rejection.

I think the ipad is ok for some line work. It has cool art apps like 53 paper. I am impressed that some users can take notes with a capcitative interface. But you need an app that features dynamic rescaling which is awkward: most users will not accept the limitations.

I would say handwriting recognition is the least important aspect of the android-wacom pen interfaces.
Its impressive that it works--when it works--but its not really a good work flow

I am betting there will be a ipad pro and that it have an active pen interface.
Samsung is releasing a upsized Note 10.1.
 
Hello, anybody heard anything? Also, will the iPad Pro include a stylus?

Hope it will. Apple surely know a lot of people want decent stylii and not the capacitive jokes currently available. (Anyone having ever used a Wacom pen knows the current iPad pens are just pathetic.)

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Highly, highly unlikely, on any tablet.

Fortunately the best stylii on the market today are very good. Have you tried anything better than the rubber bulbs?

Have you ever used a decent tablet with a Wacom pen?
 
Highly unlikely. I think the whole point of an iPad is using your fingers instead if a stylus.
 
I am somewhat surprised that so many posters in a mac rumors thread do not understand the difference between a capacitative stylus like those used on the ipad and an wacom active digitizer found on the Note or Surface. IMO--there is no comparison--the wacom interface has f-a-r greater resolution, true pressure sensitivity, allows for a pen-like point, and has reliable palm rejection.

I think the ipad is ok for some line work. It has cool art apps like 53 paper. I am impressed that some users can take notes with a capcitative interface. But you need an app that features dynamic rescaling which is awkward: most users will not accept the limitations.

I would say handwriting recognition is the least important aspect of the android-wacom pen interfaces.
Its impressive that it works--when it works--but its not really a good work flow

I am betting there will be a ipad pro and that it have an active pen interface.
Samsung is releasing a upsized Note 10.1.

Do tell us why Apple doesn't use the same touch screen technology like the Wacom. Are they just, lazy, not smart, or is there a trade off?
 
You haven't tried them all if that's the best you are getting. I have an iPad and a Surface Pro, yet it's the iPad that I have handwritten over 100 single-spaced pages on in the last month alone. Do you think I'd bother if I were struggling with 65% accuracy?

What stylus and add do you use?

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:D

I just like the mental picture of some one climbing up the side of the building looking into the windows.

I had a mental picture of someone cleaning the toilet for Apple.

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Samsung is releasing a upsized Note 10.1.

Any source? I am hoping to make a purchase decision in about a week.
 
Do tell us why Apple doesn't use the same touch screen technology like the Wacom. Are they just, lazy, not smart, or is there a trade off?

I think the apple design ethos if all about simplicity, and if the ipad supported a pen--then people would assume the pen is for navigation and writing. And suddenly everything is more complex. Like touch wiz.

So while its uncertain apple will support a pen digitizer on the ipad, I wouldn't be surprised if they released a pro model with this functionality
 
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Do tell us why Apple doesn't use the same touch screen technology like the Wacom. Are they just, lazy, not smart, or is there a trade off?
Devices like the Note have a normal capactive touch screen like you find on an iPad as well as a separate digitizer device that sits behind the screen and interacts with the stylus using an electromagnetic field. The stylus does not use the touch screen. In other words, they have two separate and unrelated input devices in them.

As to why Apple does not license this technology, who knows. The iPad is also missing a gazillion other useful features. It's Apple. Maybe they just don't feel like it.
 
I don't think we'll see any stylus from apple, it goes against the grain of what apple is doing. Plus of the styluses out there, they lack precision since the OS is designed for the finger.
 
My favorite for writing, which is my interest, is the Jot Touch 4 and Goodnotes.

Do you get any scratches with the Jot Touch? I heard (and read) that particles can get trapped under the disc and scratch the screen.

I'd like to try the Adonit Script, but it's on back order still.
 
Do you get any scratches with the Jot Touch? I heard (and read) that particles can get trapped under the disc and scratch the screen.

I'd like to try the Adonit Script, but it's on back order still.

No, it would be quite obvious if something were between the disc and the screen.

The Script isn't really on back order any more - at least as of a few days ago. They were shipping much faster than estimated. I got mine in just a couple of days.
 
Devices like the Note have a normal capactive touch screen like you find on an iPad as well as a separate digitizer device that sits behind the screen and interacts with the stylus using an electromagnetic field. The stylus does not use the touch screen. In other words, they have two separate and unrelated input devices in them.

As to why Apple does not license this technology, who knows. The iPad is also missing a gazillion other useful features. It's Apple. Maybe they just don't feel like it.

Well, I don't think a multibillion get there be operate on the principle of "don't feel like it."

I remembered reading an in-depth analysis of the pros and cons of different touch screen technologies. The bottom line is, if one is superior in every way without a drawback, you would think that Apple would choose to use it. It's just common sense isn't it?
 
Well, I don't think a multibillion get there be operate on the principle of "don't feel like it."
I do. I think a lot of choices at Apple are just because someone feels like it.

I remembered reading an in-depth analysis of the pros and cons of different touch screen technologies.
It is not a different touch screen technology. The stylus does not use the touch screen. It's a completely separate device.

The bottom line is, if one is superior in every way without a drawback, you would think that Apple would choose to use it. It's just common sense isn't it?
The drawback is that it adds cost and design complexity for Apple. They make tons of money without adding a digitizer, more RAM, a card reader, USB support and so on. They don't care about making feature-rich or flexible devices. It's not what they do.
 
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