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That is one of the things that helped Apple get where they are at... catering to people who have difficulty dealing with "options".

But what Apple is finding is that they've reached market saturation for that demographic... and so are beginning to look at offering options for the rest... as in options in device colors, and screen sizes. They take a step and then gauge the response. If they can increase marketshare by including support for an active stylus, then they will.

Apple didn't "create" me.
I choose to be an Apple user and nothing keep me loyal to Apple beside my customer satisfaction.
Stop speak about us like iSheep. I'm giving my money at the company which make the best product for my needs.
 
Apple didn't "create" me.
I choose to be an Apple user and nothing keep me loyal to Apple beside my customer satisfaction.
Stop speak about us like iSheep. I'm giving my money at the company which make the best product for my needs.
That's what I said... they catered to YOUR needs. I didn't say anything about them "creating" you. THEY cater to YOUR needs.
 
I say no, there wont be a stylus with an iPad for at least a couple more years. Maybe once OSX is on the iPad maybe then.
 
...And while I have zero facts to base this on, I'm convinced the iPad and iOS doesn't do native handwriting recognition because when this seemingly natural idea was proposed to Steve Jobs by a minion he threw one of his childish tantrums extolling the virtues of the ''finger" and how beautiful it is. (or some such nonsense).

Citation about the tantrum needed.

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Very unlikely .... thanks God.
I got rid of stylus on touch screens several years ago, and don't wanna go back.

I find drawing on my iPad to be quite nice.
 
I just noticed some discussion in this thread seems to be based on the premise that there is no handwriting recognition on the iPad, but there is -- for Chinese. I think this is because somebody at Apple thought that the complexity of the Chinese written language, with its 10,000+ characters, makes handwriting recognition more useful, whereas other languages have something in the order of a few hundred characters at most, so keyboard input is more efficient.

In other words, I think Apple has thought about handwritten input. And made a conscious decision not to include it for languages other than Chinese. For now.

We can agree or disagree, but if anyone thinks it's a oversight, I don't think it is.
 
Very unlikely .... thanks God.
I got rid of stylus on touch screens several years ago, and don't wanna go back.

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What is "the success of the Note lines" ???
iPads are outselling them by far ....

I just noticed some discussion in this thread seems to be based on the premise that there is no handwriting recognition on the iPad, but there is -- for Chinese. I think this is because somebody at Apple thought that the complexity of the Chinese written language, with its 10,000+ characters, makes handwriting recognition more useful, whereas other languages have something in the order of a few hundred characters at most, so keyboard input is more efficient.

In other words, I think Apple has thought about handwritten input. And made a conscious decision not to include it for languages other than Chinese. For now.

We can agree or disagree, but if anyone thinks it's a oversight, I don't think it is.

I totally agree. handwriting recognition doesnt make sense everywhere. Simple text input for example doesnt really make sense with it. Even if your keyboard typing skills are only average your input is still going to exceed your handwriting speed.

However - when it comes to notetaking or manipulation of documents (drawing circles around keywords or phrases or writing some additional info to it) I believe handwriting to be the more efficient solution.

Its also not only about writing but also about drawing.
 
If you don't have a source for that story, we can't know if it's accurate or not. So yes, moving right along!

I said:

And while I have zero facts to base this on, I'm convinced the iPad and iOS doesn't do native handwriting recognition because when this seemingly natural idea was proposed to Steve Jobs by a minion he threw one of his childish tantrums extolling the virtues of the ''finger" and how beautiful it is. (or some such nonsense).

There's your silly-assed citation. Seriously. The crap you people bog down on.
 
Very interesting. I'm going to do some digging about your device. I can make the iPad working in a meeting but it's not worth the sacrifices...

The new iPad air commercial tries to show folks the many business uses for the device, yet it lacks the true support to make it the definitive corporate device. I just don't understand why they cripple the device and rest on the laurels of it still sells well. That's not what inspires me and many other Apple users. Inspire me on how it can be done, don't tell me it can't because you refuse to evolve.

The key for me was the combination of excellent handwriting recognition (and converting it to text) plus OneNote. The full version of OneNote allowed me to keep track of several projects at once. You wouldn't believe how many times I even referred back to it after the project was complete. And in one project I had a rather difficult person who kept saying he did or did not say/agree to something. I finally used the option in OneNote to record the audio of the meetings. Shut him down after a couple of times proving what he said.

Good luck with your search. I admit I like my iPad. But if I were still working I would definately opt for a Surface Pro (or one of the alternatives running a full Windows OS). The main concideration being the stylus and Wacom digitizer.
 
Good luck with your search. I admit I like my iPad. But if I were still working I would definately opt for a Surface Pro (or one of the alternatives running a full Windows OS). The main concideration being the stylus and Wacom digitizer.

Me too. Although the Surface Pro is kind of a bit too heavy and thick. If the surface pro had the same weight / thickness as the Surface 2 (and maybe no fans) it would be an awesome device and a true iPad competitor.
 
Me too. Although the Surface Pro is kind of a bit too heavy and thick. If the surface pro had the same weight / thickness as the Surface 2 (and maybe no fans) it would be an awesome device and a true iPad competitor.

Time marches on. The next surface likely will be the thickness and weight of an ipad 4. Its only 2 lbs now. I think at that point--with a more mature store--the whole win 8 thing starts to look compelling. Thats why I see an ipad pro in the offing
 
I just built an ASP.NET web site in Visual Studio on my Dell Venue 8 Pro, debugged and deployed it to the web server, then put this - for God's sake! - DEVELOPMENT MACHINE in my pocket and said to myself, "WOW! What just happened?!" :D

iPad feels 100% like a toy now. :D If Apple doesn't bring OS X and built-in stylus support to iPad, they're a toast.
 
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Assuming you are an intelligent human being.
Humans, like Apes, evolved and used tools to aid them to do tasks.?

You are basing the beginning of your premise on a theory, so unfortunately the rest of your post holds no water.

In my own experience, I find that at my almost-daily meetings I always have my iPad in my briefcase. I frequently pull it out to use it in order to follow along with reference materials, but if I need to write some quick notes, I have to pull out my Note 3 and make a quick S-Note. That way I know I won't lose it (I'm terrible with pieces of paper).

I wish I could just scribble, accurately, on the iPad. But I can't, because the morons at Apple refuse to get with the program.

I just ordered the Adonit Jot Script to see if it will give me anything near the S-Pen experience. I'm sure it won't.
 
To me when SJ introduced the original iPhone in 2007 his idea was all about the lack of need for a stylus, I like to think that at the core of what Apple does with their touch products, that still applies today. Who knows maybe a pro tablet will change that, but for now I don't see that happening.
 
To me when SJ introduced the original iPhone in 2007 his idea was all about the lack of need for a stylus, I like to think that at the core of what Apple does with their touch products, that still applies today. Who knows maybe a pro tablet will change that, but for now I don't see that happening.

Indeed.

If you invented a device, easy to use with BIG buttons to press, phone numbers, calculator, pick up/drop call etc etc, then of course, a finger is all you need to strike a large graphical button.
That makes total sense.

As things more on, screens become higher resolution, new apps are created which may very probably benefit from a finer control method (can't see the line as it's under my finger) You look at it, and adapt accordingly.

Apple's BIGGEST long term problem, and this if going back years it pig headed stubbornness despite being faced with the obvious.

Just because Mr X said Y was right Z years ago, does not mean that's cast in stone as god has decreed it so.

The iPad 5 is not an iPhone 1 (when the statement was made)
 
Hello, anybody heard anything? Also, will the iPad Pro include a stylus?

IF they do, and it is highly unlikely, it will be totally optional for all uses.

Steve's key focus starting way back with the first iPhone is that users should never need a stylus

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. Or perhaps you were asking if the iPad will be redesigned to better accommodate hand writing?

Now that I could see. Smaller reaction points would be a great first step.

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This tells me you have not used the s-pen.

I have. And I'll stick with my pogo connect for when I need something that fancy.

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Only rumors but I have a friend who knows someone who lives near Apple and the iPad Pro will offer everything you want incuding OSX!

And did he see Timmy pass out at 31 flavors

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I don't think we'll see any stylus from apple, it goes against the grain of what apple is doing. Plus of the styluses out there, they lack precision since the OS is designed for the finger.

If Apple was making a stylus they would increase that precision.

Or they could increase it to support the optional stylus others make and it would still likely have finger benefits
 
If Apple doesn't include an active digitizer they are really missing a pretty big component of the business world and even students. Think about a math or engineering class where you need to add formulas or drawings...People who don't see the need simply aren't in an occupation where it would be useful or have no imagination.

Having said all that, I doubt Apple will do it. They seem to have the entertainment segment of tablets locked up. But for productivity? Well, as MS gets it's act together they will continue to dominate the business side. iOS won't be able to compete with it's current limitations. For all we know, Apple may be content to rule the 'simple' tablet market.

I think Apple will eventually relent and ad a stylus. However, I think they will do it in their own way and on their own schedule. My guess is the hardware is finally getting to the point where it has the horsepower to have a really innovative digitizer and do things such as HWR without revisiting the Newton. Although, I have one and it wasn't nearly as bad as the popular opinion made it out to be; the 2K was a really nice machine of rite time and foreshadow the iPad quite well.

One thing that I think will push Apple to a stylus solution is their push to move the iPad deeper into education and business. A stylus adds functionality and is a natural next step. I just wouldn't hold my breath.
 
I don't think you'll ever see a style. Apple has so far been all about touch interaction. Who wants to mess with a stylus anyways?
 
I don't think you'll ever see a style. Apple has so far been all about touch interaction. Who wants to mess with a stylus anyways?
They were also all about 10" iPad. They (Jobs) went as far as saying that 7" tablets are a mistake.

I expect Apple to produce an iPad that can use an active stylus but ONLY if they can manufacture it so that it is well integrated (from a hardware perspective) without compromising the capacitive support.

Honestly, comparing what the iPad can accomplish with a capacitive touchscreen only with capacitive styli (rubber tip, foam tip, Adonit Jot) is very impressive compared to the active stylus support of the Dell Venue Pro 8.
 
I expect Apple to produce an iPad that can use an active stylus but ONLY if they can manufacture it so that it is well integrated (from a hardware perspective) without compromising the capacitive support.

Honestly, comparing what the iPad can accomplish with a capacitive touchscreen only with capacitive styli (rubber tip, foam tip, Adonit Jot) is very impressive compared to the active stylus support of the Dell Venue Pro 8.

I could see them developing a two layer digitizer that responds to capacitive touch and and active stylus. The iPad could detect when the stylus is close to the screen and ignore touch input and vice versa; solving the palm resting on the screen issue as well as allowing for touch input.
 
WTF are you talking about? You use good notes. Do you even know what handwriting recognition is? I'm talking about converting what you write to actual text. Not scrawling hand written gibberish on the screen that can't be used in any other app.

Apple offered that on MessagePad. It was wonderful. Cursive could be converted to text. Either / both could be printed. I still have two MessagePads here. I would use them if power packs were available.
 
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