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My emphasis added. The Retina MBP 15 only needs 22% more battery to account for the larger power draw. If IGZO display technology comes in 25% power savings or more there should be no problem with power consumption.
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How likely would you say the next MBA will be retina.
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My emphasis added. The Retina MBP 15 only needs 22% more battery to account for the larger power draw. If IGZO display technology comes in 25% power savings or more there should be no problem with power consumption.
Extremely unlikely, and IMO not even the one after that.
The 13" rMBP isn't even out, there's no competition at all, and there won't be for a while.
And anyway, the Air is the budget Apple laptop: its screen won't ever be on par with that of the rMBP (it's not supposed to be).
The 13" rMBP isn't even out, there's no competition at all, and there won't be for a while.
And anyway, the Air is the budget Apple laptop: its screen won't ever be on par with that of the rMBP (it's not supposed to be).
Nonsense.
Every display vendor is working on or shipping high resolution displays. Apple isn't the only company on the planet that has access to these displays.
If Intel is talking about high PPI being a push for 2013 and beyond then we can extrapolate that they are working with software vendors like Microsoft to enable HiDPI modes in software. It's foolhardy to think that Apple has a two year head start on HiRez screens.
Ok, when I said "and the one after that" I thought about the minor spec bump we're likely to see around october/november, plus the haswell release in 2013.
Of course everyone is working on hi-res displays. No competition for a while means for most of 2012, and the competition for some time will only be on the high-end. I simply believe that we'll have to wait some time before hi-res displays are commonly seen on low/mid-end stuff (considering the Air is somehow Apple's new "budget" laptop line).
(and we're already waiting for SSD to reach comfortable prices, can't have everything at the same time)
Oh I though you were talking about 2014. Thanks for the clarification. I'm interested in seeing if this Sharp IGZO stuff is the real deal. Their claiming high resolution and lower power consumption and that multi miliion dollar Foxconn investment encourages me.
https://www.macrumors.com/2012/03/27/foxconn-and-sharp-enter-partnership-to-advance-lcd-technology/
We shall see. Exciting times. I actually want the Wintel world to jump in soon as well so that Web Developers start moving content to higher resolutions sooner rather than later.
Indeed!
I hear you, but probably a year at least... Yes, we shall see.
If I were a betting man, I'd say 2014. That way the 2013 MBA has Haswell, and the 2014 MBA has Haswell AND retina.
I'm sorry but what is Haswell?
Within two years, definitely. Within one year, maybe, but probably not. I don't know whether I should hope it does or not; I'm not going to upgrade until I get a better screen, so I kind of hope I can save up for another year, on the other hand I want it now!
For those asking, Haswell is the code name for the next generation of Intel processors, after Ivy Bridge and Sandy Bridge:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haswell_(microarchitecture)
For those asking, Haswell is the code name for the next generation of Intel processors, after Ivy Bridge and Sandy Bridge:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haswell_(microarchitecture)
I think that it's extremely unlikely. You have heat issues, as well as whether it's possible to easily run a retina display off of a ULV processor, no discrete graphics, etc... Not to mention the necessity of a larger battery.
Even Haswell would have to be far beyond what I think it will in order to make it work. Perhaps whenever Intel adopts an MCM chipset, but that won't be until at least Broadwell, maybe Skylake for the microarch implementation.
But hey, it looks like I may have been wrong on the 13" MBPR (which looks like is coming this fall), so who knows?
Even Haswell would have to be far beyond what I think it will in order to make it work. Perhaps whenever Intel adopts an MCM chipset, but that won't be until at least Broadwell, maybe Skylake for the microarch implementation.
But hey, it looks like I may have been wrong on the 13" MBPR (which looks like is coming this fall), so who knows?
I agree that it's not going to happen, at least for a couple of years.
If Apple could choose to sell a 13" Macbook Air starting at $1199-$1299 with a retina display, or for $999-$1099 by using the display they've already been producing for years, I think they would choose the latter.
If Apple could choose to sell a 13" Macbook Air starting at $1199-$1299 with a retina display, or for $999-$1099 by using the display they've already been producing for years, I think they would choose the latter.
My point is Apple is the only company that can command premium prices without it hurting sales. It's the most amazing thing ever. Just look at all the people buying MBPr's at the premium price that Apple charges.
Just because Apple equips Air's with retina displays doesn't' make them any closer to a pro. It's only the display and resolution, it has nothing to do with performance. They'll still have slower CPU's less capable GPU's and other lesser specs.
So yes, we'll have retina, and premium prices long before most people realize it. Apple is rapidly headed back to the top tier of price points for laptops.
What makes you say that? The 15" Macbook Pro has been in the $1999+ price range since it was introduced in 2006. Previous generations of Powerbooks started at prices even higher than that. The exceptions to that were the 2009 model with no dedicated GPU and the more recent 2011-2012 models which actually dropped down to $1799.
The Macbook Air has gone from $1800+ to $999 in a couple of years. Most models dropped another $100 this year.
I think that there may be a 13" RMBP in the $1500-$1600 price bracket, but the Air is Apple's new entry level machine.
It will come eventually. It might not come for a few years because it is one of the main selling points persuading people to buy a MBP over a MBA. It will come to the MBA in maybe two years, a la Siri coming to the new iPad after its novelty wore off on the 4S.
with a student discount, the base retina is cheaper than the 15" non-retina with w/ equal specs
Here's the point I'm making. Each year I order a new, fully loaded, Built To Order 15" MacBook Pro, with Apple Care.
In 2010 it was just over $3,000
In 2011 it was just over $3400
This year the MBPr was $4098 (before tax and shipping)
If that's not a top tier price I don't know what is. If you want to confirm my numbers, just go to Apple.com online store like I do and configure it.
The comparable PC Laptop is a ThinkPad T530. That's the other laptop I buy each year, since I work in a cross platform environment.
If you go to Lenovo.com and configure one exactly like the MBPr, other than the fact it doesn't offer the retina display it's the same.
Price?
MacBook Pro Retina $4098
vs
ThinkPad T530 $2133
That's quite a difference.
I think comparing "fully loaded" models is pretty flawed. Apple always charges a lot for upgrades. The MBP-R is the first to even have the 768GB SSD option. Of course it's expensive. Just because they didn't offer that option before doesn't mean that they're moving the whole line towards more premium prices.
The Titanium Powerbook started at $3500. I'm not seeing a huge shift here. If anything base prices are dropping over time, or at least what you get for that base price is going up.
Edit: I just compared the Thinkpad T530 to the non-retina MBP. They basically come out the same almost dollar for dollar with the same upgrades. Apple just offers more expensive upgrade options. Lenovo lets you choose a maximum of a 180GB SSD. Of course a 512GB or 768GB SSD will be more expensive. That's why they're optional.
No Retina...
I could be wrong... But I suspect that next year the pro and mba lines will both lower in price with small spec improvements at the entry level. And it will be lower cost along the way.
2014 is when I would expect to see at the earliest better battery technology improvement and Retina Screens in the Air level. 2013 will still have retina screen as a basic differentiator between the two. Where larger batteries will still be required, and the best app support will be in professional graphics apps.
The next Intel tock will lower power requirements, and that with new unspecified battery improvement (there is a bunch of stuff bubbling around the periphery), will make the retina possible on the lower models at a price that will make it for the consumer.
I could be wrong... But I suspect that next year the pro and mba lines will both lower in price with small spec improvements at the entry level. And it will be lower cost along the way.
2014 is when I would expect to see at the earliest better battery technology improvement and Retina Screens in the Air level. 2013 will still have retina screen as a basic differentiator between the two. Where larger batteries will still be required, and the best app support will be in professional graphics apps.
The next Intel tock will lower power requirements, and that with new unspecified battery improvement (there is a bunch of stuff bubbling around the periphery), will make the retina possible on the lower models at a price that will make it for the consumer.
I cannot see a Retina display in an MBA until the 14nm die shrink of Haswell i.e. Broadwell in 2014.
This will essentially make the intel CPU an SOC (system on chip) thereby minimizing the space requirements of the motherboard and allowing for a larger battery.
The retina display in its current incarnation requires a lot of power. In order to maintain battery performance incremental advancements related to power need to evolve.
This will essentially make the intel CPU an SOC (system on chip) thereby minimizing the space requirements of the motherboard and allowing for a larger battery.
The retina display in its current incarnation requires a lot of power. In order to maintain battery performance incremental advancements related to power need to evolve.
For both technical and marketing reasons the MBA won't be getting double pixel density style retina screens anytime soon.
What Apple can and should do now is upgrade the quality of the MBA screens to IPS. Screen quality is the current MBAs' main weak point.
(Wouldn't object to Apple making the MBA bezels black as well.)
What Apple can and should do now is upgrade the quality of the MBA screens to IPS. Screen quality is the current MBAs' main weak point.
(Wouldn't object to Apple making the MBA bezels black as well.)