I fear it may work both ways. The vision pro's lack of a controller may also not make it very enticing for game developers who find gestures too limiting for their content. This is likely why gaming on the Apple TV never really took off, and the iOS App Store has more premium games than the sort of AAA titles you see in the Nintendo App Store.
You can hook up keyboards and mice, Apple has put effort into lowering controller latency for their other platforms. I imagine will just be included given the common frameworks across their platforms.
Retina Display and gesture control isn't reinventing a new form factor for smartphone.
I agree with this. They have made this goggle as easy as humanely possible. Now only the size&weight and price are holding it back from being “ubiquitous“.
People would love to criticize how it’s not perfect and it’s not like a pair of eye glasses or all day battery life
Tell you what. If they will make SE version that only do that cinematic experience at $1,000 today I’ll run out right now to buy that.
I would not say they have 'taken the best ideas', they had a vision of what they wanted to achieve and it actually had little to do with VR... They have been working on the tech for that for quite a long time... and still are... Apple Glasses that can be worn like glasses. The technology has not matured to that level, but they have matured to a point where they can release a home use/professional use device that builds on that technology and provides another step in building the environment out with 3rd party support... (they have been releasing development tools that were aimed at this for almost 5 years now). They will continue working on the Apple Glasses while selling to this smaller niche the best technology/environment available.
The iPhone was the second phone with a capacitive touch screen (the first one was the LG Prada, which was released just a few weeks earlier), and the first one with multi-touch. Before that smartphones and PDAs had resistive touch screens that required a stylus and were a pain to use. So yes, the iPhone's hardware was innovative and paved the way for the user experience.
They solved what now? And how many patents/patent applications does e.g. Meta have in this space?
Just wished to say this one FACT.....
So you agree, Apple wasn't the first with touch screen. Capacitive touch screen and resistive touch screen isn't revolutionary, it was an evolution. microLED vs LED ... is it revolutionary?
It's a first gen product. What matters most is the user experience.
Do we know it's better eye tracking than the Varjo XR-3?
Looks great.
It's not Retina resolution. The Varjo XR-3 has higher resolution in the center, and less in the periphery than the AVP.
What is your evidence that AVP is better at preventing motion sickness, especially since the demos people have tried have only been 30 minutes, and use different kinds of software than in most VR demos?
There are tradeoffs here. There are interesting things that could be done with access to eye tracking. The Quest platform shares other security constraints with Apple, like not letting developers see the raw camera feed.
This looks to be best in class.
What is your evidence that Apple's device has the lowest latency? I am an anybody who uses VR. Latency isn't an issue. I don't have to wait for "for the glasses to catch up to them." I've spent a lot of time in various internet forums discussing VR with people, and I've never seen it come up as an issue, except in relation to streaming desktop apps over WiFi.
Apple indicated it is 12ms ish is the latency (which would require at least 83 frames/sec refresh rate) - also people in the demo have been told 90 is the refresh rate which can go up to 96. i.e. the view in front of you will have no perceivable delay. Latency and refresh rate not being high enough is why motion sickness occurs - you can perceive the view and the inner ear not being in sync and it then creates the same 'early warning' effect of being poisoned -- then chunks...come out... Is there any other device that meets those specs? (assuming Apple is not lying)... I don't know.
And one of the most important spec people rarely talking about is the maximum brightness is 5000 nits which will be great for HDR contents.
The 5000 nits is what is generated, not what reaches your eyes... there are a bunch of optics that it has to go through... 5000 receiving sounds blinding.
The Quest 2 has refresh rate modes of 60 Hz, 72 Hz, 80 Hz, 90 Hz, and 120 Hz.
No, that's the Varjo. It actually uses two displays for each eye. The AVP will have more consistent Pixels Per Degree, but not as high of a maximum PPD.
Those optics (3 transparent lens) virtually won’t reduce the brightness at all.
Based on initial feedback of every person who tried it out, it was the best eye track experience they have ever experienced for a commercial product.
XR-3:
People have tried over 45mins and experienced zero motion sickness
12ms latency is guaranteed. They run an RTOS to maintain constant response times. It is built into their architecture.
Based on every person that tried the hand tracking feature, their feedback is it was very accurate and smooth and intuitive. you don't even have to hold your hands out.
You said highest accuracy. That’s different than best experience.
Which will put the Vision Pro at about 40 PPD, given a similar FOV. That is not Retina resolution. And I think if it did have Retina resolution, Apple would have mentioned that.
Who tried for over 45 minutes? Most people said their demo was 30 minutes. I’d guess that most people could have an experience with the Quest 2 without motion sickness, if there is no artificial locomotion (such as moving yourself through the virtual world with a thumbstick). The gaming focus of the Quest and most other VR headsets means that people are more likely to be put into experiences that have artificial locomotion, unlike the Vision Pro demo which had things like floating iPad apps.
Latency is a potential issue. It is not an actual issue to the user of any modern VR system (save for the aforementioned WiFi streaming exception). Saying that the threshold is 20ms does not mean that Apple’s 12 ms is better than competitors.
Yeah, but they weren’t chopping cubes with lightsabers or playing table tennis or climbing a wall.
Very funny.
True, but they also said the environment/OS was the best of any of them... and one of the top things was that the eye tracking and clicking with your fingers (without reaching out so they could be picked up by sensors/cameras; benefit of sensors pointed down) was so accurate... that it was more accurate than your finger on the iPad... and it felt like mind control - you looked and basically the device knew.
Funny you that you said that, I was reading someone complaining about Beat Saber and how it was annoying you had to learn how to chop the blocks because the motion and the result were not sync'd up properly (i.e. there was latency). The responses seemed to indicate at least agreement and you just have to learn. (reddit)
The further you get from the CPU, the more latency there will be... I remember working on an application that had the application on one application server, and the oracle database on another (two fully loaded top end Sun Servers connected by high speed networking)... and we were not meeting the performance requirements... we moved the application onto the same server and more than doubled the performance throughput... that little separation caused enough latency to cause that.
Sure. I even predicted that’s exactly how it would work. https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...et.2390822/page-4?post=32195637#post-32195637
Can you give me a link? I’ve demoed Beat Saber to a dozen people and everyone picks it up quickly and I’ve heard no complaints like that.
