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How many others are ordering the 16 MBP today!
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Surely the best review is your own - you have 14 days+ to return it.
So far the early impressions are quite positive. Yet given how so many people were salivating for this model, I'd say just take the plunge if you are in need of a computer.
I think we're approaching the holiday return period, if people wait a couple of days you get a much longer return period
If you plan to do any decent coding and running ML algorithms that do NOT include anything along DL/RL/IL with TensorFlow then you're better off maxing out your CPU/RAM/Storage and getting the cheapest GPU. To get your models to generalize and provide good performance, you're going to need large amounts of data.
I’ve taken a big plunge on this MBP 16” as been waiting for the 2016-19 15” butterflies to be discontinued. It’s time as my Non-retina 2012 15” while still good for basic stuff it’s touch pad was driving me nuts with the changes in functionality / usability in macOS. Can’t wait for a retina screen!
Hoping this model will have had much of the issues finally ironed out and I feel cautiously optimistic as so far the reviews of the Vega 20 15” have been better than before.
Went with:
2.4, 64GB, 2TB, 5500 8GB, SpaceGrey, AppleCare+ - UK shipping is a long wait Dec 2nd-4th.
Curious if other UK orders have had their card billed yet? Me not....
Hoping this model will have had much of the issues finally ironed out and I feel cautiously optimistic as so far the reviews of the Vega 20 15” have been better than before.
Went with:
2.4, 64GB, 2TB, 5500 8GB, SpaceGrey, AppleCare+ - UK shipping is a long wait Dec 2nd-4th.
Curious if other UK orders have had their card billed yet? Me not....
They don't bill the card till just before it is shipped if I recall (saves them hassle if people cancel orders prior to shipping, no need to refund/cancel charges).
I find it interesting that a number of outlets are offering modestly-sized discounts on the new 16" MBP already.
Apple used to be quite strict about this, but it looks like their policies have changed.
I'm guessing they really want to "move these out the showroom doors", and in doing so rebuild some of the goodwill that was in jeopardy of being lost by the flawed 2016-19 butterfly-keyboard models.
Also, I recall reading (probably right here on macrumors) that prior to the official release, Apple's suppliers had been building up a big stock of these for shipment.
The 2019 16" looks like it's gonna be a home run for Apple.
I hope they keep it up and soon introduce either a revamped 13"... or perhaps a 13.5" or 14" "rework" of the smaller-sized laptop!
Apple used to be quite strict about this, but it looks like their policies have changed.
I'm guessing they really want to "move these out the showroom doors", and in doing so rebuild some of the goodwill that was in jeopardy of being lost by the flawed 2016-19 butterfly-keyboard models.
Also, I recall reading (probably right here on macrumors) that prior to the official release, Apple's suppliers had been building up a big stock of these for shipment.
The 2019 16" looks like it's gonna be a home run for Apple.
I hope they keep it up and soon introduce either a revamped 13"... or perhaps a 13.5" or 14" "rework" of the smaller-sized laptop!
What sort of Machine Learning are your doing? If your models are NN and they are at all complex, I would question spending a lot of money on any system without an Nvidia GPU. Like it or not, only Nvidia GPU acceleration is supported by most ML/DL packages.
I like my MacBook Pro, but for many of my models training on any MacBook is considerable slower than training on a system with a Nvidia GPU or training online at colab.research.google.com. Colab is free and they have Nvidia GPUs available.
Thanks for your input. I do agree with you. Anything related to NN would better off with Nvidia card. No doubt about that.
Apart from that, I do some non-standard machine learning, i.e., testing some newly designed algorithms, typically with some numerical packages, such as Python/R/MATLAB.
Finally after so many months (years!) of waiting to upgrade my 2014 MBP, I finally ordered 
- 2.4GHz 8‑core 9th‑generation Intel Core i9 processor, Turbo Boost up to 5.0GHz
- 32GB 2666MHz DDR4 memory
- AMD Radeon Pro 5500M with 8GB of GDDR6 memory
- 2TB SSD storage
- 16-inch Retina display with True Tone
- Four Thunderbolt 3 ports
- Touch Bar and Touch ID
- Backlit Keyboard - US English
- Accessory Kit
- Applecare+
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Actually it is today. Some MR users have confirmed that with their receipts.
Send it back and get what you want... this is too important a purchase not to get what you want. Yes, you will have a slightly longer wait, but in the overall scheme of things, what’s a short wait compared to years of ownership?
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The machine Apple is swapping for my current 2019 machine.
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Still thinking about it and thinking if I want to give up my mid-2015 base model.
Honing in hardcore though on a base 16" with 32GB RAM as the only upgrade:
-Go from 4 cores to 6 (faster base/turbo clocks too)
-Double the RAM (faster too)
-Double the SSD (faster too I would assume)
-Go from NO discreet GPU to one that's better than Vega 20
-Go from 300 nits to 500 nits brightness which is honestly probably the thing I want the most.
Then all the other things like the better speakers, keyboard, screen, battery, etc.
The base with 32 GB RAM should last a long time and with the base processor and GPU, it will run really cool and quiet and have outstanding battery life. Hell of a machine for $2559 after education discount.
Honing in hardcore though on a base 16" with 32GB RAM as the only upgrade:
-Go from 4 cores to 6 (faster base/turbo clocks too)
-Double the RAM (faster too)
-Double the SSD (faster too I would assume)
-Go from NO discreet GPU to one that's better than Vega 20
-Go from 300 nits to 500 nits brightness which is honestly probably the thing I want the most.
Then all the other things like the better speakers, keyboard, screen, battery, etc.
The base with 32 GB RAM should last a long time and with the base processor and GPU, it will run really cool and quiet and have outstanding battery life. Hell of a machine for $2559 after education discount.
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What causes that? Any software or action in particular?
Also how can you tell it's happening? I wonder if that's what's making my Mac feel slow
If it is two machines that would lead me to believe it is the software or drivers. Is it a specific application?
it seems for us in Europe anything outside of the base model gets moved to December.
Base model deliveries are out on November 29th
The problem is correlated with running all 8 cores for extended (1-13 or so days). I run Stata, a statistical analysis program. However, the segfaults are not being tied to the software in the logs; they are being tied to the CPUs. I sent the log files to Apple, and I believe that whatever Apple engineers noticed in the log file are what precipitated their offer for me to return the computer for the latest model. It did not hurt that I noted that Apple computer crashes in front of a class of graduate students who could be potential customers does not bode well for apple. Interestingly, some of my graduate students were running the same software on older Apple machines (2018 and earlier), and they experienced no problems that they communicated to me.
You wouldn't be jealous if you saw the abysmal salary I have which allows me to get the education discount.
Examine your log files in the console application. You will see a Crash Reports section... check there and in the diagnostic reports.
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You wouldn't be jealous if you saw the abysmal salary I have which allows me to get the education discount.
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Examine your log files in the console application. You will see a Crash Reports section... check there and in the diagnostic reports.
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