Outside of my watch, I could have an easy transition to android. I am waiting to see how the new nexus devices stack up to the proposed 7 plus.
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How many people are staying with Apple because of features available only within the ecosystem?
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i rarely send any sms nowadays.. mostly when i buy a metro ticket
i dont know anyone who doesnt have whatsapp or skype...
for example i can use skype with a computer (win/mac), android tablet, ipad, android phone, iphone, android tvbox. it doesnt matter where i am and which device im using at the moment - they all are synced together. and everybody can start using skype if they dont already, but everybody cant use imessage/facetime...
I dont have either, iMessage or sms.i rarely send any sms nowadays.. mostly when i buy a metro ticket
i dont know anyone who doesnt have whatsapp or skype...
for example i can use skype with a computer (win/mac), android tablet, ipad, android phone, iphone, android tvbox. it doesnt matter where i am and which device im using at the moment - they all are synced together. and everybody can start using skype if they dont already, but everybody cant use imessage/facetime...
I use both Skype and FaceTime. Nearly everybody I know has an iPhone so FaceTime generally gets used more, with Skype more a work tool for me. I do like that FaceTime shows in the general contact info for the people I know rather than keeping a separate Skype list. Both do the job though.i rarely send any sms nowadays.. mostly when i buy a metro ticket
i dont know anyone who doesnt have whatsapp or skype...
for example i can use skype with a computer (win/mac), android tablet, ipad, android phone, iphone, android tvbox. it doesnt matter where i am and which device im using at the moment - they all are synced together. and everybody can start using skype if they dont already, but everybody cant use imessage/facetime...
As an Apple loyalist sure it stings a bit for the home team when they don’t have the top [insert component here] on the market but then I realize I don’t benefit greatly from that [insert component here] compared to the benefit I get from using all things in the Apple ecosystem.
Competition is great and it does drive innovation but most people wouldn’t even notice their [insert component here] was lacking if a competitor didn’t release some fancy at least sounds good on paper [insert component here]. Point being, I guess we live in a time when mostly satisfied people need to be told they aren’t satisfied and then they buy into it.
Competition is great and it does drive innovation but most people wouldn’t even notice their [insert component here] was lacking if a competitor didn’t release some fancy at least sounds good on paper [insert component here]. Point being, I guess we live in a time when mostly satisfied people need to be told they aren’t satisfied and then they buy into it.
While I won't touch the subjective comments (since they are your opinions and I won't argue them), I just thought I'd point out Many android devices now have finger print sensors. The nexus 5x operates identically to Apple with the exception it's in the back of the phone.
you are missing (or misread.) the important point that I tried to made.
I know that Android has similar features (finger print sensor) but how well does it work?
is it as fast as Touch ID?
does it work for individual app? (Note, Bank app, myQ garage opener, etc)
does it work with payment (like apple Pay)
where does it store this info? is it as secured as how touch ID is stored in separate chip?
that was why I said "replicated the same or better than apple." "have" the same feature is not what I am asking but does it work well and secure? that is why Apple has an edge.
one example is Android TV. it is like Apple TVos but android TV user experience is much worse. it has the same feature but android does not work well or terrible UI experience. I have both and I know this by fact.
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I would disagree. Overall Android is less secure and Apple's platform beats Android even with Android being open source. There's a new vulnerability that affects the Blackphone.
http://blog.checkpoint.com/2016/08/07/quadrooter/
Apple's strength in security is being able to push security updates quickly. With Android, you may never get an update.
That's what I like about the iPhone. It has consistent battery life for the life of the phone without having to do crazy tweaks. I don't care about battery size, I care about battery life and consistency.
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Strange... my S7 Edge has been pretty good on batteries... just as good as my 6 plus. I think I'm a pretty high usage user... I've used close to 1.1gb of data today... and my S7E has been off the charger since 6:00am this morning. After over 9 hours of usage, I'm still have over 50% battery left. The lowest it's gone is 20% before putting it back the charger around 11:30pm. If I were a light user, I'm sure I could go a couple days before putting it on the charger. Not questioning you... if you say you have poor batteries... no reason why I shouldn't believe you. Just not matching the experience I have on my S7 Edge. As I mentioned in other posts... I like both platforms... I still use my 6 plus daily and like it just as much... well... let me take that back... I like it just as much when jailbroken... LOL.
Yes, it does all of those things. The info is stored on the device itself and never sent to Google, so it's pretty much exactly touch ID.
Mine works very quick, maybe a split second faster than iphone. This is good or bad depending on how you look at it. I guess there are many threads here saying the new touch id is too fast. This was never a complaint of mine.
I agree with Android tv, although there really isn't an Apple equivalent to compare since there isn;t really a first party Android unit out there... all of those units were just money grabs by various OEMs wanting to get something cheap on the market. They are basically used (largely) as pirate boxes anyway.
Anyway, not disagreeing, just adding to the discourse. Google seems to be going forward with requiring said sensor on future nexus devices too, so that's good news. Things can only get better, as is the case with all maturing tech.
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Yes, it does all of those things. The info is stored on the device itself and never sent to Google, so it's pretty much exactly touch ID.
Mine works very quick, maybe a split second faster than iphone. This is good or bad depending on how you look at it. I guess there are many threads here saying the new touch id is too fast. This was never a complaint of mine.
I agree with Android tv, although there really isn't an Apple equivalent to compare since there isn;t really a first party Android unit out there... all of those units were just money grabs by various OEMs wanting to get something cheap on the market. They are basically used (largely) as pirate boxes anyway.
Anyway, not disagreeing, just adding to the discourse. Google seems to be going forward with requiring said sensor on future nexus devices too, so that's good news. Things can only get better, as is the case with all maturing tech.
did some search on this topic and find this. Here is some of the quote
".... Its (apple) Touch ID sensor has proven to be more secure because it encrypts data gleaned from the scanner. "Even if the attacker can directly read the sensor, without obtaining the crypto key, [the attacker] still cannot get the fingerprint image," Zhang told ZDNet.
Android users, however, are not so lucky: The researchers detected four methods of attack, the most disconcerting of which could remotely hack the sensor and steal any fingerprint that it encounters..."
American express app does not support fingerprint sensor yet. here is the quote from user review on google play:
"....Needs fingerprint login and FICO score! Still behind other bankong apps. On my iPhone 6 it was the first banking app to support TouchID but on my Galaxy 6 no fingerprint ID as of yet..."
MyQ garage opener app does not have any fingerprint sensor support either.
Like I said, android has the same features but almost everything they do is half baked.
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This article is more than a year old and, AFAIK, doesn't cover the new requirements Google has placed on scanners with the advent of their own nexus devices having the scanner in them. That doesn't make the article wrong though, and it doesn't change the fact that there are millions of fingerprint scanning devices out there that are less secure than they should be.
Either way, you seem very opinionated on which is better and are dead set in "proving me wrong".I am not even trying to argue here. Just giving you, and others who happen upon this thread, some objective information on the feature comparisons.
FWIW here is an article on the nexus 6p (using the same standard the 5x and other phones should be going with moving ahead). The article even specifically mentions that devices, before these, used less secure fingerprint scanning and storage methods. A lot of that, I am sure, has to do witht he very fact that Google learned from Apple (and their other OEMs) here and decided to implement something actually secure. One might even say they copied Apple, being that Apple's implementation really is that good.
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just edit my previous post... both American express and Myq apps do not support Fingerprint sensors on google play. while these app have touchID support for a while on apple app store.
also I have android TV Nexus (first party) and it is so terrible that it is just collecting dust. I also have Nvidia Shield TV and its android tv UI is terrible as a streaming client. I just use it as a plex server.
yes, some of my points were my opinions but some are based on my actual ownership of android device. and these are fact.
I don't doubt some apps haven't added it yet. That is 100% up tot the app developer. The only thing I tried to state as fact is that the fingerprint identification/authentication process was available to third party developers (is that not what you asked?), should they choose to utilize it.
The nexus player was discontinued because it was a turd. Compare that to the first Apple tv (also discontinued and has ceased to get updates for some time now) because, compared to what is out now, it was also a turd; coincidentally it is also a favorite as a pirate box. Google has since ceased making any set top boxes (because they are turds lol). I completely agreed with you in every way here.
And on the flip side, the Galaxy/Note series can use the fingerprint sensor to remember passwords on the web browser, whereas the iPhone cannot. Let's not look for nitpicky examples as it is going to drive the conversation nowhere.
again, you missed my original post. Here is my original post
"...is it as fast as Touch ID?
does it work for individual app? (Note, Bank app, myQ garage opener, etc)
does it work with payment (like apple Pay)
where does it store this info? is it as secured as how touch ID is stored in separate chip?..."
what is the point of fingerprint sensor if app that I use everyday does not support it? I don't care if it is google or app developer fault. as a user, I want my app secured. this make apple app "polished" as I said in my original posts back
I figured you were giving third party examples, pointing out that you didn't want the feature to be first party only (as Apple did the first year the feature existed). I don't use the same apps as you. I am sure you can understand that I don't, off the top of my head, know a full list of third party apps that utlize this feature. I couldn't even begin to tell you what, aside from what I use on my own iPhone, is supported on iOS either.
But again, we are getting into personal use. It doesn't fit your needs. I get that. If this was a discussion between you and I I would concede. But this is an open forum anyone can come across at any point. Your needs, while I respect them, don't change the facts about the feature and what it can be used for today, tomorrow, and beyond...
Those apps that I listed are very popular app, not some small developer. American Express and Myq are two of my examples.
And I don't disagree with that. All in doing here is stating facts about how the ID works and how it's able to be utilized by third parties. I made no claims about adoption rates or how big, or small, or popular, or unpopular the companies utilizing the technology are.
At this point we are just talking in circles. My aim was to point out that the way the ten works is, in practice, identical. I think I did that.
Use what makes you happy and fits your needs.
not trying to beat the dead horse....
I listed a few reasons why I stayed with apple ecosystem (thread's title). you came out and replied to my op and state that android can do all of things that I listed. I just wanted to clear the dust that android does not do all that.
Here is your quote "...Yes, it does all of those things. The info is stored on the device itself and never sent to Google, so it's pretty much exactly touch ID...."
that is not true. your oversimplification can mislead others that fingerprint sensor is equivalent of touch ID. it is less secure and app support is lacking.
Foreshadowing lol.
But it is not less secure. As far as app support it's entirely possible that there are apps on the play store that support it that either don't exist on iOS or that don't support Touch ID on iOS for whatever reason. And of course vice verse.
If you felt I implied the adoption rate was the same, I'm sorry. I didn't look into comparing apps that I don't use. That should, IMO, be left up to the end user anyway, particularly because that list will be constantly evolving.
At this point I'm done here though. If you want me to say "you're right", you got it. You turned this into something I never intended it to be. Go ahead and get the last word in. And goodnight.
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I stay with Apple because mainly the Ecosystem. I have Invested so much $$ in apps.
Also I have tried android in the past for 2 years with a few android phones, even though android phones are just as good as the iPhone now a days the one issue for me is CS when something goes wrong with the hardware. Its as if its non existent expecially if you dont buy a unlocked phone and buy your phone from your carrier and also all of the bloatware the carrier installs on the Phone.
Plus continuity, iMessages and Face Time also keep me staying with Apple, Along with the Apple Watch.
Also I have tried android in the past for 2 years with a few android phones, even though android phones are just as good as the iPhone now a days the one issue for me is CS when something goes wrong with the hardware. Its as if its non existent expecially if you dont buy a unlocked phone and buy your phone from your carrier and also all of the bloatware the carrier installs on the Phone.
Plus continuity, iMessages and Face Time also keep me staying with Apple, Along with the Apple Watch.