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How the Mouse Pointer Deals with the Notch on the MacBook Pro

Again, sorry for the confusion.

The new MacBook Pros are a higher resolution, with pixel perfect 16:10 in full screen mode.

And they have a new camera, new Magic Keyboard, 120HZ, etc.

So these are actually the best MacBook Pros ever made. :)

Everyone should be celebrating. 🎉
 
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Arsenikdote said:
I dont understand the problem? macOS won't allow anything "under" the notch. So if you are mirroring your screen then nothing can be there but your background. So it would just show the menu bar and background like normal.
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Well, what about if the cursor is behind the notch? Will it shown on the external monitor? What about the menu being split? Will it also be split in the mirrored display? Otherwise you could be clicking on different things in one monitor and the other. It's not that trivial.
 
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On phones, the notch has never bothered me. I doubt it would bother me on a computer screen, but the question for me is why do it when it saves nothing important? On a small screen having a bezel big enough for the camera and security and FaceID scanner means a larger bezel for something that needs to be mostly a screen as far as height and width. On something 14 or 16 inch diagonal an extra 1/4 to 3/8 inch as a top bezel isn't that much, especially if its only on the top. And a small top border doesn't start the notch debate all over again. I'm not sick of the notch I'm sick of people complaining about it. But this was an unnecessary fight, the space saved isn't significant compared to the size of the device. Even if no video is lost and it doesn't impact graphics its very existence will cause people to complain. Is a quarter inch bezel worth years of people complaining? Unless there is another reason to notch I wish they hadn't done it. I'm sick of the complaining.
 
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I really don't understand the backlash related to the notch. I can only see that people completely over exaggerated the notch on iPhone and therefore they feel the need to constantly bring up a notch because it's the thing people talk about.

If we consider the hardware implications for just a split second, it's relatively easy to understand why the notch exists, it has nothing to do with adding a notch and then a year or two Apple saying look how they reduced the notch and call it innovation....this is people's perception because they think they know better and are totally cynical!

In terms of a notch on iPhone and a pinhole approach on Samsung phones. Apple's implementation of FaceID on iPhone is way more intelligent and secure than Samsungs approach. If Apple could provide a pinhole approach with the same level of security as Samsung....you really think they wouldn't do it? Of course they would for goodness sake. It was exactly the same as Touch ID, Samsung followed Apple in terms of TouchID and it was a complete joke compared to Apple's approach and security.

Now, let's consider the notch on the new Macs. I appreciate it does not have FaceID but everyone was complaining that the Macs bezels are too large and somehow they chose how to reduce those bezels, moving the taskbar/menubar upwards to where the current top bezel is on a MacBook Pro, thus adding screen real-estate and yet people are still complaining. They have to put the camera and screen sensor somewhere and therefore the notch makes sense whilst still adding value to users in terms of extra screen real estate. In a year or two they'll no doubt add FaceID as well and again this has to go somewhere.

So unless someone can tell me how Apple manage to implement a hardware camera, light sensor and possibly FaceID (in the future) from thin air, what do you suggest they do?

I've heard a lot of complaining over the notch but yet I have yet to read one single post that addresses something different! There's nothing more frustrating than people complaining instead of suggesting a solution. By all means, explain the issues/flaws but address it with a solution.

Complaining is so easy without suggesting/providing a realistic alternative. Rant over!
 
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These are the best MacBook Pros ever made, and this is a big event like the first iPhone, the first iPad, Retina, or ProMotion.
 
Does anyone know what the notch is referred to internally?


(I can imagine calling it “the notch” being frowned upon lol.)
 
bf2008 said:
Well, what about if the cursor is behind the notch? Will it shown on the external monitor? What about the menu being split? Will it also be split in the mirrored display? Otherwise you could be clicking on different things in one monitor and the other. It's not that trivial.
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I suppose if you believe that Apple would implement it and forget things like people presenting on a TV/projector than yes. I believe, however, that there is not the "gotcha" that you seem to think there is. Its not that there is not any considerations, it is that they just have ultra simplistic solutions. Doesn't mean everyone will LIKE the solution though either :p
 
RedTheReader said:
It still seems sort of surreal that we’re even having this discussion. Only 6 days ago, I was laughing at the people who believed that these MacBooks would have a notch. I thought it would stay on the iPhone only.

But, I guess you know what they say: “The notches start coming…”

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I don't know why, but I really need to rip this into a MP3. 😆
 
tomtad said:
Steve Jobs would never allow this
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Maybe Steve would remove the camera from Pro notebook at all. Why having camera on high-end Pro notebook which is designed for something completely different than conference calls? Rather having smooth unobtrusive experience with beautiful display to stay in the flow of your art, editing or engineering. For calls u can use your phone, iPad, iMac...
 
I am so glad I just bought a new MacBook Pro before the new one came out. I dislike the notch on the phone, it is really unattractive and I don't want a stupid notch on my laptop.
 
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bf2008 said:
Well, what about if the cursor is behind the notch? Will it shown on the external monitor? What about the menu being split? Will it also be split in the mirrored display? Otherwise you could be clicking on different things in one monitor and the other. It's not that trivial.
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It’s not hard to handle. The camera notch is an area where things don’t sit permanently. On the other screen that area would be black with just the menu background color. The mouse, as a transient element could be moved into that area. This works as if the camera notch is just something stuck on the screen.

If you are mirroring screens and the menu needs to be split (done by the OS, not the app) then that split is mirror. It stays consistent. there is a no-go area on the menu bar.

Normally, Apps will only exist within the safe area below the menu bar, wether they are windows or full screen.
 
Stella said:
Yes - any thing else sounds like an excuse "a convenient hiding spot for the mouse"... lame.

When watch movies, the mouse cursor should disappear.

( I don't particular care about the notch, but the excuses for how it could be useful are lame + sad )
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I haven't heard anyone say the notch itself is useful. What I have heard, and feel, is that the extra screen space to either side of the notch being used to hold the menu bar is far more useful than the bezel it replaces, and that the notch in the middle of the menu bar is not that big an inconvenience to pay for it.
 
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Geez. How is it handled on an iPad with a magic keyboard? Should be the same, no?
 
MacRumors said:
This behavior will come in handy, fundamentally making the notch a hiding place for the mouse pointer. This may come in good use, for example, when users want to more easily hide the mouse pointer while they watch a video.
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Wait, what?
Doesn't the point already hide when watching a full screen video? People need a notch to achieve this??
 
In my opinion, based on those Reddit examples, “2. Collision”, would be the best outcome. The cursor has always followed the contour of the display since day 1. The “notch” is now part of that bezel surrounding the screen and it should be treated exactly the same, as a physical barrier.

However, considering the poor and sloppy nature of goofy Craig Federighi’s software division over the past 7 years…or so, I’m sure “1. Go Through”, is most likely. Like they never even considered it or care.

I’ve ultimately lost all faith in Apple’s software. It’s a shame because the hardware division is on fire! It’s bizarre.
 
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Gudi said:
I have an even better question. Did they make the notch this big on purpose, so that they can shrink it in two years and call it innovation or because they originally wanted to put more sensors behind it and do they still plan to introduce FaceID on the Mac in the future? 🤔
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I believe it is the latter. Make it the size it is likely to be with FaceID now else face further notch wrath when a smaller notch gets larger to add it.
 
alexe said:
I absolutely don't understand all the notch haters who outdo each other at finding ever more extreme ways to express their disdain for the notch. I mean, seriously, how much can you hate such a relatively insignificant detail :rolleyes:
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Remember Steve Jobs? If he would have not paid attention to every little relatively insignificant detail Apple would be not where it is today. If that would be Samsung or Nokia nobody would give a rip. But since Apple is Apple we want the best solutions for problems and not some notch because of lack of innovation. Sorry, besides being ugly the notch means a lot more to people who are long-time Apple followers. It is a document of laziness and nonexistent creativity and innovation to come up with a "notchless" solution. I'm pretty sure Steve would hate that notch as well and would fire anybody who came up with that design.
 
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