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What is with the huge love with the old built-in google map app? Without turn-by-turn with voice, what is the point while you drive.

I did use it before while on foot.

But since I got the MapQuest App I rarely touch the Google Maps for Navigation. I just wish the default mapping app can be adjusted so when I tell Siri where I want to go it will use whichever app I like. Though, now that it uses the Apple Map app I will stick with that while in the car, and try to help with any errors I catch.
 
I would think for the right price there are a variety of solutions available. And why wouldn't Bing or Mapquest be an alternative? (serious question)

Same reason that Apple is leaving Google.

1) The data acquired in mapping applications remains the sole property of the map maker. So all that user data submitted by iOS users over the past 5 years is one of the reason Google’s maps are so good.

2) It would be ceding control of a core piece of technology to a major rival in the case of Microsoft and as has happened with Google, Microsoft could decide to start charging for access to their map data, or negotiate onerous terms.

3) I don’t believe Microsoft or Mapquest offer turn-by-turn directions, 3D views, vector or OpenGL maps, etc… that’s one of the reasons why the Lumia series uses Nokia’s mapping service.

Adobe and Microsoft aren't necessarily good parallels because those products are pretty dominant in their market segment. If Photoshop doesn't work as well as you wanted it to, well, if you're a graphics professional you suck it up because that's what you use. Apple, by comparison, has put out a product with some issues in a market segment where people can pretty easily move to a competing product.

You misunderstand my point, it wasn’t Microsoft or Adobe products per se, those were simply the high profile casualties, rather it was the difficult decision to make a shift in strategy (Classic -> OSX and PPC -> Intel) that in the long run benefit users, but in the short term cause a great deal of frustration. Then as now, especially with the Classic to OS X switch people were livid; OS X 10.0 was a joke, it makes this Maps “fiasco” look like a walk in the park. And people did leave the platform, or didn’t upgrade from OS9. Just like with Maps Apple could have waited another 6 months or a year for OS X and polished it a little more, but not enough, it needed to be in the hands of the public. That major shift in OS strategy is what allowed Apple to out-innovate Microsoft over the past decade and introduce iOS.

In this case a product that was working was replaced with a product that isn't working so well for a lot of people, it's not hard to understand why there's a lot of backlash. And saying that it's happened before or it's no different than Google has done it isn't going to matter to angry iPhone customer #36,214 who's lost in Cleveland.

Again you’re misunderstanding my position. I completely understand and agree with the backlash - well the more rational backlash, some people are far too emotional. I know pointing out that major transitions are almost always painful, especially when forced won’t make people any less angry. I’m not trying to convince anyone that Maps is good, or they shouldn’t be angry I’m simply pointing out that the move away from Google was inevitable and the move was always going to painful, whether Apple released Maps last year, next year or five years from now.
 
Good point.

Apparently Google is "best" because they're "open" (based on all the endless pro-Google anti-Apple noise on the Web) - except of course for when they're not.

And Apple is "worst" because they're "not open" - except of course for when they are.

Just trying to understand the Google fan mentality. ;)

You must mean the Internet poster's mentality. Most don't try very much to be intellectually honest.
 
Nothing in Apple history has been such failure as the release of Final Cut X while taking FCP 7 off the shelves. What a huge mistake. The rest are peanuts... yet.

I disagree, while FCPX was upsetting to most, the app was still functional on its release. The maps app for iOS6 was really an unfinished product that went out before it should have.
 
3) I don’t believe Microsoft or Mapquest offer turn-by-turn directions, 3D views, vector or OpenGL maps, etc… that’s one of the reasons why the Lumia series uses Nokia’s mapping service.
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You would be incorrect. Before I upgraded to iP5, mapquest was the app of choice. They just did an update today and it's better than ever, although, I don't have issue with Maps. It got me through Hollywood last night smoother than any other GPS. No recalculating 15 times. It new where I was when I was under an overpass getting on the freeway and rerouting me within a second. It may have some bad data but when they finally get the other areas correct, it will be one of the best.
 
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1) The data acquired in mapping applications remains the sole property of the map maker. So all that user data submitted by iOS users over the past 5 years is one of the reason Google’s maps are so good.

3) I don’t believe Microsoft or Mapquest offer turn-by-turn directions, 3D views, vector or OpenGL maps, etc… that’s one of the reasons why the Lumia series uses Nokia’s mapping service.

Mapquest does turn-by-turn, quite well actually. I have been using it since it was released and was one of the reasons I didn't worry about getting NAV in my new Accord.

However, now I will use the Apple app and help it get better with use.

Great point on #1. Will only be a matter of time before the Apple app is comparable. Google Maps weren't perfect out the gate either.
 
I disagree, while FCPX was upsetting to most, the app was still functional on its release. The maps app for iOS6 was really an unfinished product that went out before it should have.

Just like Final Cut, for some people, that map app is working correctly. The "map" app is functioning, the "data" is in question. It is clear that certain data areas are better than others
 
Nothing in Apple history has been such failure as the release of Final Cut X while taking FCP 7 off the shelves.

What? No. The Final Cut debacle only affected those using that product. The Maps debacle affects every person that uses iOS 6. That's a much, much larger group of unhappy people. Maps is far worse than Final Cut and even worse than MobileMe.
 
Good grief, like Google never steers you wrong? Google Maps have gotten me lost before. They're not perfect. iOS maps will improve.

There are plenty of non-Google alternatives in the meantime.

Apple's mistake was not dumping Google years ago. Continuing to rely on Google for search is another mistake.

You know comments like that is why Apple fans are thought of as stupid mindless drones.

The problem with Apple maps is it is beyond crap. I would put it at about 10 years behind the rest of the pack if not more. It has very out dated information, it POI are piss poor at best. Apple is NEVER going to catch up to Google plan and simple. They will gain but never catch up. They are to far behind and have a lot less ways of gathering information for updating and fixing the problems.

For searching, please tell me alliterative. The only good alternative I have found is Bing and to me it is not enough better to make it worth switching.

I have seen to many fanboys and girls here go to hating google just because Apple said so and then they wonder why they are called mindless drones.
 
So basically we are forced to be beta testers

Or you can use the several other mapping apps that are available.

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Mapquest does turn-by-turn, quite well actually. I have been using it since it was released and was one of the reasons I didn't worry about getting NAV in my new Accord.

However, now I will use the Apple app and help it get better with use.

Great point on #1. Will only be a matter of time before the Apple app is comparable. Google Maps weren't perfect out the gate either.

Apple Maps is working fine for me so far (in US), but there are mistakes and I am sure they will be corrected just like the mistakes in google mapes.
 
You know comments like that is why Apple fans are thought of as stupid mindless drones.

The problem with Apple maps is it is beyond crap. I would put it at about 10 years behind the rest of the pack if not more. It has very out dated information, it POI are piss poor at best. Apple is NEVER going to catch up to Google plan and simple. They will gain but never catch up. They are to far behind and have a lot less ways of gathering information for updating and fixing the problems.

For searching, please tell me alliterative. The only good alternative I have found is Bing and to me it is not enough better to make it worth switching.

I have seen to many fanboys and girls here go to hating google just because Apple said so and then they wonder why they are called mindless drones.

It's as if you have no inclination to actually read the posts. Mapquest has been mentioned by me and others like 6 times in the last page alone.
 
Apple Maps is working fine for me so far (in US), but there are mistakes and I am sure they will be corrected just like the mistakes in google mapes.

Yup, I haven't had any issues with it either. Granted I am in the US around the DC area so would imagine there was a good starting point there. Should also help as Apple builds up their mapping staff :)
 
Personally I don't think this solution is good enough. It's great to hear that Apple Maps is sort of open source in a sense, however it's no good releasing an app that's so far from having complete/accurate data, as well as completely taking away the complete solution that's already been in place for some time.

I am a regular Google Maps app user, and I've already lost the ability to successfully find places I need to go since the update to Apple Maps. My biggest problem with Apple Maps is the severe lack of quality or complete lack of satellite imagery. For me this has become a huge help in finding places visually. As well as this, Street View became extremely helpful. As an example, I tried searching for a place in Brisbane where I needed to attend a meeting via Apple Maps recently and I could not work out where exactly the building was. Then I used my uncles iPad which has not been upgraded, and google maps quickly allowed me to visually find the place via satellite imagery, as well as some points of interest, but also Street View allowed me to even focus on where the entrance was to the building.

Apple seems to think its just the Points of Interest that are the problem, however it's not! I'm surprised this is not getting mentioned more in this thread. The satellite imagery needs a huge rework and the addition of something like street view needs to be added. If I zoom in on my home town of Swansea in the UK, the satellite imagery all over the city and suburbs is just pointless as its so blurry, low quality, some parts not in colour and other parts totally missing! There's also a significant amount of roads missing, this is not something I can report by pressing a button. In fact, some places such as the Cayman Islands are completely void of any roads!

The app should not have been released so quickly and promoted as a complete solution, and completely taking away the previous solution that had been working so well. I understand if this was the only solution if relationships with google had broken down, however surely it's apples decision to remove the google maps app.

The only positive for me are that the Apple Maps look good aesthetically. It's a shame that I'm more of a hybrid or satellite user though.

In regards to reporting problems, apple needs to promote a more comprehensive solution in adding missing roads, area names, etc not just points of interest. It's a real shame all this work is involved in creating the app without a real backup solution (other than using google maps through the browser).
 
What? No. The Final Cut debacle only affected those using that product. The Maps debacle affects every person that uses iOS 6. That's a much, much larger group of unhappy people. Maps is far worse than Final Cut and even worse than MobileMe.

To be fair - Final Cut X REALLY sucked...
 
Removing useless apps

I've got no problem with Apple making it's own maps, or with it being in beta for a while, BUT...

It would be nice if Apple let us remove the beta maps from our phone and re-add Google maps. And while I'm at it, give us the option to remove other useless apps like Passbook, newsstand and stocks. Make them all preloaded apps that we can get from the app store and remove as we see fit. Then make siri work with whatever your preferred maps app is.

A few years ago Microsoft bundled their "inferior" web browser with windows and it was a monopoly. Apple bundle their "inferior" maps app and it's all ok because they are just new to the maps business. Let not even start with why you cannot set another browser as the default in iOS....
 
Apple, you can do it. We can help.

Uhhh, now I feel bad about selling my AAPL shares this morning. I believe in Apple's future success, but this is going to get some really bad PR, and there is a small bubble it seems.
 
because thats borderline forcing people to do apples work for the wellbeing of their own business therefore the comparison to paying someone not to mess up your establishment.

i run a business and when i get money my customers get goods/service and i expect the same when I hand over money.

Are you kidding me?

Business should ALWAYS keep an eye on popular services and make sure their information is correct.

If your business is incorrect in Yelp or UrbanSpoon you risk losing potential customers who might be using those services to find a good place to get services. As a business owner, I would probably obsessively crawl popular services at least once a month to make sure they all had my information correct. Apple and Google are no exception. Just because they make a zillion dollars doesn't mean I don't want customers.

I want every customer of Apple's to be able to find my business. I could care less if people like or don't like the maps. But if one single user wants pancakes and can't find "Valkraider's pancake extravaganza" then I am losing money.

A protection racket, whatever. This is bordering on absurd.
 
So I'm trying to correct a problem with where it has my work... it's not too far off but I want it to be more accurate....

So it tells me to drag the pin to the right location except how do I do that? If I try to hit it with one finger it moves the map around, two fingers changes the angle, hold one finger on part of the map and use the other it changes sizes...

So how do I get it to actually let me drag the pin?
 
It's as if you have no inclination to actually read the posts. Mapquest has been mentioned by me and others like 6 times in the last page alone.

but you missed the point. It was not talking about alternatives to Apple iOS maps. I was talking about how far behind Apple maps are.

Apple maps are way behind everyone else no ifs and or buts about it. Apple Maps are about 10 or more years behind.
 
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