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Everyone seems to have forgotten that Google Maps can be used by anyone free of charge on a PC.
People have paid good money on the new iPhone- why should they have to do the work of correcting mistakes? To me it sounds totally understandable that they are furious by Apples faulty product.

Nothing that Google does is "free of charge". It's just a hidden cost that you don't see - the price is all the information about you that Google can lay their hands on.
 
please tell me you don't expect me to help Apple fix this. this is a screen cap of entire blocks of businesses in Chicago that have no information. CHICAGO!!! this is what i've found for multiple areas in the city when trying to find POI to get to or send people.

it's neither reasonable to force this on me nor ask me to do their homework for them in order to make it a working product.

btw, don't tell me it's because of my zoom level. i zoomed all the way in and out and didn't have anything show up.

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Fixing & improving maps is good for everyone. I'll try to help. But here in Latvia they are so empty and incomplete that I don't know where to start. :rolleyes:

On a side note - I love to see those taller screenshots starting to appear. :)
 
Still low or no data on sat images

Hi All


Why are all the satellite images a blur even when zoomed out ?????

its impossible to correct the map when you can't see it
 
and your last line sounds like protection racket

What are you going on about? I'll repeat it: If you run a business, it's in your best interest to make sure that your business can be found in Apple's maps. To anyone with a clear mind and/or running a business that is just common sense.
 
Well, I did my part and sent them 5 or 6 problems in my town.

The data really has tons of problems, although it will never be perfect (Google's isn't in my town). But it needs to get way better really quickly.

However I gotta say I've used it recently and it did the job just fine. I know everyone is piling on right now - and hey, Apple deserves it. Hopefully it motivates them to upgrade the software faster.
 
I've sent in errors since beta 1 of iOS 6. None of them have been fixed. That should give you an idea of how long it will take Apple to fix them.
 
Facebook: Don't have to pay to use it.
Google: Don't have to pay to use it.
Instagram: Don't have to pay to use it.
LinkedIn: Don't have to pay to use it.
Flickr: Don't have to pay to use it.
Yelp: Don't have to pay to use it.
Youtube: Don't have to pay to use it.
Apple Maps: Pay ~600$ to buy the phone.

Does this answer your question?

It doesn't actually answer the question. You pay for the phone, not the maps app. Just like if I want google maps with turn-by-turn, I'd need to go pay for an Android phone.
 
Competition only works when customers are able to switch without friction between different products.

The current situation is about as non-competitive as can possibly be.

why? you can switch to a different brand handset any time ya want. thats how this particular market works -- the competition is Android, Windows Phone, RIM...

if you want a google maps app, try Google's web offerings, or ask them to release a native app for iOS.
 
Sorry Apple, I would love to help you out of this bind, but I am wasting more of my own time in trying to be more productive with a map app that is far less effective than the one we had for years.

I upgraded to the iPhone 5 strictly because it is faster, so I can spend less time on it than the previous one, not more...
 
why? you can switch to a different brand handset any time ya want. thats how this particular market works -- the competition is Android, Windows Phone, RIM...

if you want a google maps app, try Google's web offerings, or ask them to release a native app for iOS.

and for those of us under contract??? :(
 
Out of curiosity what would you do outside of developing your own mapping solution? Note switching to Bing, Mapquest or other mapping solution wouldn’t solve the problems Apple face.

Unfortunately there are time when you’re faced with a decision that’s going to be painful in the short term, but better in the long run. It happened when Apple switch from 0x0 to PPC, from OS 9 to OS X, Carbon to Cocoa and PPC to Intel. We had to limp along with Fat Binaries, Classic mode, late releases of major apps (Adobe & Microsoft) and Rosetta. They were all varying degrees of unpleasant, but they had to be done.

So Maps is going to suck for a lot of people. In January it’ll suck for less people. When iOS7 rolls around it’ll be good for more people than bad and I’d guess by 7.1 you’re looking at 95% parity with Google – in fact Google has some catching up to do, Maps has 100 million business listings compared to Google’s 80 million.

I would think for the right price there are a variety of solutions available. And why wouldn't Bing or Mapquest be an alternative? (serious question)

Adobe and Microsoft aren't necessarily good parallels because those products are pretty dominant in their market segment. If Photoshop doesn't work as well as you wanted it to, well, if you're a graphics professional you suck it up because that's what you use. Apple, by comparison, has put out a product with some issues in a market segment where people can pretty easily move to a competing product.

In this case a product that was working was replaced with a product that isn't working so well for a lot of people, it's not hard to understand why there's a lot of backlash. And saying that it's happened before or it's no different than Google has done it isn't going to matter to angry iPhone customer #36,214 who's lost in Cleveland.
 
It is if you don't know the reasons for the Apple/Google split.

If Apple needed/wanted to build their own mapping system (regardless of the reasons for doing so) it would never be as polished and "ready" as Google Maps UNTIL it had spent time in the hands of hundreds of millions of iOS users.

Now whether or not you think Apple should have ditched Google is another question. Since no one knows (except Google and Apple) the nature of their contract and why Apple decided to go its own way, I don't think its fair to bash Apple over taking control of one of the more important aspects of its OS.

From what I've read (and it seems entirely plausible), Google wouldn't allow Apple to use the data for certain things - though Apple built the app itself - such as turn-by-turn as to give the Android offering a competitive advantage. If that is the case (which I wouldn't fault Google for at all given their goal is to push Android and NOT iOS) then why would Apple continue to pay Google for data for a half-baked app that didn't have the functionality they wanted it to have?

Good post jrswizzle:

There is also much more involved with the Apple, Google relationship, Google wanted Apple user data so badly they could taste it and Apple told them to pound salt, Apple is a hardware and software maker, where Google sells advertising, if Google could find out what time I take a crap at, which hand I wipe with and what brand of toilet paper I use, they would get on it (and I assume their working on it).

I have read many of Googles End User Agreements, and I was amazed at how intrusive they want to be, Google wants to know, where your going, where you've been, how long you've been stopped somewhere, what did you buy, the list goes on and on, sure Google offers services for free, but there is no such thing as something for free except a STD, and you still have a choice to prevent a STD.

Apple most likely wants some advertising bucks also, but they have had some class by keeping the intrusion levels low, and the free software Apple offers, is also not free, each and every Apple product user has paid for the service or software offered, I have yet to do a full reading of the EULA in iOS 6 involving Facebook and Twitter (I wonder whats hidden there), when somebody says "there is no such thing as privacy anymore", your listening to someone who has given in to this crap.
 
What are you going on about? I'll repeat it: If you run a business, it's in your best interest to make sure that your business can be found in Apple's maps. To anyone with a clear mind and/or running a business that is just common sense.

because thats borderline forcing people to do apples work for the wellbeing of their own business therefore the comparison to paying someone not to mess up your establishment.

i run a business and when i get money my customers get goods/service and i expect the same when I hand over money.
 
Yeah, pretty much like how Google built Google Maps and most of the rest of their services come to think of it.

But Google didn't take your working service, replace it with one that doesn't work so well, and then ask you to come help them fix it.
 
No such city

There isn't an obvious way to report a city that Apple Maps doesn't recognize. Try Redstone, CO. Maps thinks it's in Boulder, rather than a city on its own. How would you report this?
 
It doesn't actually answer the question. You pay for the phone, not the maps app. Just like if I want google maps with turn-by-turn, I'd need to go pay for an Android phone.

Yes, so where did you buy your "hardware only" iPhone, and are you running Android/Windows Phone or IOS on it?
 
Sure - I tend to think a little more rationally/less emotionally than some people. But as you said, the maps option is a big feature and each company wants to use it as a competitive advantage. My point is:

There were reasons Apple broke from Google. Maybe it was competition, maybe it was Google's restriction of the maps API, maybe it was money-driven. There were reasons - we buy Apple because we believe them to offer the best products/ecosystem. I for one am going to trust the decision AND instead of focusing on the negatives which will be taken care of with time (just like Google maps' problems diminished over time) I look at what has improved with the new maps icon.

I think if people get behind the idea that Apple Maps' base is better than Google's (iOS offering) in time we'll have a mapping option that not only rivals Google's but surpasses it.

Isn't that (the bolded part) opinion at this point, however?

It may very well be a better product in the long run, but I already pay Apple a premium on a variety of products because they work like they're supposed to. When this one doesn't (and I'm still evaluating iOS6 before deciding on my next mobile device) I as a customer am a lot more apt to go to the one that works then come back to this one when the glitches are worked out.
 
Yes, so where did you buy your "hardware only" iPhone, and are you running Android/Windows Phone or IOS on it?

:confused: Not sure what your question is.

There was a list of free web apps followed by a $600.00 charge for using apple maps. $600.00 is for the phone. With that logic, it costs me $600.00 to use the list of free apps too, if I use them on the iPhone.
 
Sorry. I paid $400 bucks for my phone. I am not going to do YOUR work which should have been equal to or better than the maps app you replaced.

Fix it or put it back. Plain and simple.
 
Apple should create a program or hire 100 interns to google the POI's first.

Copy/paste. Done.

:cool:
 
Facebook: Don't have to pay to use it.
Google: Don't have to pay to use it.
Instagram: Don't have to pay to use it.
LinkedIn: Don't have to pay to use it.
Flickr: Don't have to pay to use it.
Yelp: Don't have to pay to use it.
Youtube: Don't have to pay to use it.
Apple Maps: Pay ~600$ to buy the phone.

Does this answer your question?

You mean you didn't need a computer or phone to access those other services?

Seriously, use another service for now. Nobody (reasonable) is denying that Maps needs A LOT OF WORK, but moaning isn't going to change anything. If anything, email Google saying you want a native Google Maps app on the iPhone, and make sure Apple gets the same email. Frankly, I suspect Apple is going to approve a Google Maps app as soon as it gets submitted. Apple isn't going to forfeit phone sales by blocking the app.

Also, Apple Maps is one of the most publicized changes for both iOS6 and the iPhone 5. It shouldn't have surprised anyone. If you're worried about issues in a new product, you don't upgrade right away.

Also, people have been submitting reports to Google for years. There is an entire industry built around fixing things that Google ultimately makes money from. There's nothing wrong with that. When your business doesn't show up on Google search results pages, does everyone jump on forums saying Google sucks? As others have noted, businesses can resolve problems by submitting reports in Maps, or updating listings on Yelp.
 
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