I think ipadthai just suggested that if you don't buy an iPhone or iPad then you're a fool. Neat.
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HP Announces WebOS-Based TouchPad Tablet, Pre 3 and Veer Smartphones
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Yes, exactly like Ford. Not sure what you are trying to proove? look up who invented the car...
anyway, this seems to little too late, although i really love the touchstone + wireless keyboard solution. webOS also seems so much more elegant and advanced compared to iOS. Especially on the iPad it just looks plain scaled-up ugly.
I do wonder why some people seem to think dual-core helps battery life? Is this prooven or just some DIY armchair engineering?
I have owned an iPhone 3GS and still own a iPhone 4, with iOS installed, have used both for over a year combined and really like it overall except I abandoned it for my phone device due to the terrible notification that really drove me nuts and forced me to respond immediately -- marking texts as read when I wasn't ready to address them, etc. I think iOS is wonderful except for some tweaks missing -- you can't configure certain things like how notifications automatically pause video playback and the notification system as a whole is just a piece o' crap.
I also owned a webOS device for 5 months (original Palm Pre), and I really liked it except the early webOS builds were just not ready for prime time. My co-worker still uses a original Palm Pre on Sprint, and it is much better now with the more recent webOS builds.
So there, some of us that like webOS, have, in fact used iOS devices quite a bit.
why the hell are you on here with your two pennies about how lame apple is? Why don't you go over to apple.com's forums or call their toll free hotline to and spread the love?
I suggested that if you rely on these vaporware presentations, you are a fool.
Don't get it twisted brotha.
Apple may have requested a set of features, but its not their design. It is the design of the respective IP holders (e.g. IPS and LED backlight technology)
Of course they are picking up the size that Apple started mass production on. My point was - why should HPalm change it to just be different? The size works and will give continuity for any resolution changes that Apple uses in the future.
So there, some of us that like webOS, have, in fact used iOS devices quite a bit.
I absolutely respect everyone's opinion on what they want to buy - even what features they want but my main bxtch is about the features they put into devices and how there are no real life testing done - just pure specs being listed.
After using an iPhone/iPod/iPad for quite some time, I must say there are a lot of features I don't really care about - notifications is one feature I DO care about - and I have to rely on a JB to do it...big deal to me personally.
Most millions are still using the lame arse notification from iOS and still content. I'm just saying they won't be selling millions and millions and millions if it was so terrible. Sure you can evolve the ways you do notifications but iOS does have everything people want.
The main issue is the emphasis on multitasking - no one cares! Like I said, maybe 1% of the population. webOS was so great it flopped. Fact is fact.
I'm not sleeping with steve jobs but the ecosystem apple has created is truly great and everyone wants to steal it. I'm just sick of people listing specs and comparing them to apple - you have the right to do so but most are just blanket statements and untested claims. The multitasking in iOS is not perfect or the best but it is the best for the user using an iPhone/iPad/iPod inside apple's ecosystem. I don't see a big problem with it since like I mentioned before, this isn't a desktop platform.
I still don't game like I do using a PS3/Xbox - on any iOS device. I do play some casual touch games but that's it. I don't knock apple's device for being lame compared to a PS3/xbox. I'm just saying why the big hoopla about a dead webOS revived by HP presented today that only showcases multitasking and the email app - and some theoretical wireless sync/charging?
The device is vaporware since there is no ship date or anything else that resembles how I'm willing to pay $XXX for it vs. an iPad 2.
9.7" same exact iPad screen.
Same home button.
Play catchup is what HP does best.
I don't know if he did, but I sure did!
But I didn't really TOTALLY leave it yet, because I am not ready to commit to another platform just yet. I still have my iPhone 4 (I've been with iOS since iPhone 3GS), but it's become basically a mini iPad device with 3G data -- I use it for the tons of useful apps that the iOS system ecosystem brings and for the wonderful, gorgeous Retina display and web browser. But I have moved over my email, text, and phone usage to a Blackberry -- the notification system is soooo much better, and I no longer want to shoot myself when I'm at the gym on the elliptical watching a video news podcast and a gosh darned notification screams "RESPOND TO ME NOW" *and* pauses my video playback. Also, I can actually configure different custom alert tones for SMS and email at a contact level -- something a non-jailbroken iPhone can't do.So I don't know about the person you were asking -- but I literally quit using my iPhone as a phone/text/email communications device over the horrible notification system. I lived with it for a while, but I have become an even heavier texter and heavy FB user, and I *like* having notifications for FB and other apps -- I just don't like them requiring attention NOW.
Gizmodo is reporting that the interface is just a bit lagged in terms of touch response. I believe this is either due to unfinished software, or a fault of the material used for the touchscreen and not a problem with WebOS itself.
We'll see though...in 6 months
We'll see though...in 6 months
Yeah I know...I was thinking the same thing. With all of Rubenstein's experience at Apple (you can tell he was paying attention to keynote style!), you'd think he'd know not to show his hand until ready to release. This is amazing stuff from Palm/HP, but now everyone has time to copy it before Palm even ships a product!
When you are the innovator you can design inside your closed environment and announce a product when it is ready for release. When all you do is clone other products you need to find a way to keep people from purchasing the original until you can bring your clone to market. HP loses nothing by announcing this product, because there is nothing new or ground-breaking to copy.
To be fair WebOS is definitely a nice competitor. They're going the same route apple did with finally bringing it to a tablet. It looks nice, but there will have to be a few enhancements or incentives (pricing mainly) to keep this from being another "me too" product.
I hope apple has something planned for iPad 2 that will keep it from being just on par with the oncoming tablets like the Xoom, I'd really like to stay in my all apple ecosystem when I finally save up enough for my tablet, whatever it may be.
I wonder, how do I block annoying people, as this quoted poster, for example?
How to block people not worth reading from or answering to?
... while pretending to be a leader.
The fact is the iPad 2 will be available with a camera before this device is released. However this announcement gives the impression that HP has a tablet with a front facing camera before Apple. That is the purpose of this announcement to trick people into thinking that Palm/HP have moved ahead of the iPad. Of course by the time this device comes to market, the camera equipped iPad will be old news.
It's sad when you think about how vaporware is now a big deal in the PC world. With Apple it was always something coming in a month or two--in final stages of testing/production. Since January 2010 it seems keen to broadcast devices coming out in 6+ months... wasn't the January MS tablet announcement for late-Summer 2010? That evaporated when the sun came out in spring.
Like many things, it has to be experienced to be understood.
WebOS multitasking is great even without "powerful productive apps".
People who've really used WebOS know how exhilarating it is to be able to just flick between open apps.
A lot of people cared. Unfortunately, Palm made a critical mistake of going exclusive with Sprint for way too long, among other marketing mistakes.
They also needed to quickly bring out a larger screened, more powerful phone, which they did not do.
iPadThai, I understand your frustration with people who bash a product or company without owning one and thus having extensive experience on it. I don't think I've done that, though. I certainly don't bash Apple, since I'm also an Apple fanboy, and have been since I was a wee one. Heck, I am still anxiously awaiting word on the iPad 2, because there's still a darn good chance I will settle on iOS for my tablet of choice -- given that the notification system is what most irks me about iOS, but it is less of an issue for me on a tablet than an iPhone for me.
Re: multitasking -- I still like the simplicity of the webOS multitasking over iOS's implementation. For one thing, iOS requires that the app developer actually code to the multitasking API. For example, in my Wells Fargo app on my iPhone (and on the iPad as well, I would presume), state was NOT maintained until very recently when Wells Fargo finally updated their app -- so if I got a notification whilst in the middle of doing a bank transfer on the Wells Fargo app, I'd have to either dismiss the message and stay in the WF app (marking the text as read int he case of SMS grrr), or leave the WF app, and then have to log back in and start all over again in the WF app.... that's just poopy, if you'll excuse my undignified verbiage, lol.
That's the problem with iOS multitasking; I don't generally have an issue with it (indeed, would have stayed with the iPhone even given this compromise were it not for the terrible notification system), but it is just a bit of a hodgepodge and it DOES create real-world annoyances like the one I just detailed. There are many other useful apps that still don't properly maintain state.On webOS, this simply would not happen -- it's not possible, because multitasking happens seamlessly; an app doesn't need to code to a multitasking API -- it just is "multitaskable" by virtue of being run under webOS. It's very "Apple" in its simplicity, ironically enough.
But your point is well-taken; I don't just go gaga over a platform or device based on a paper comparison of specs. That's just silly. That's why right now I'm using two smartphones -- my iPhone 4 (thought it's slowly becoming a 3G mini iPad) and a Blackberry Curve 8520. I purchased the 8520 even though it has a terribly browser, no 3G (EDGE only + WiFi), because I wanted to test out how I would like the BB platform as a smartphone. So far, I'm loving it for text/email/Blackberry Messenger, and I continue to discover new things I love about it. There are also things I don't like where I find the iPhone 4 to be vastly, vastly superior. However, I don't do jailbroken devices, so that's not an option for me, so I am waiting on new more modern BB's to come out with OS 6 and touch screen with the same form factor as the BB Bold (BB Bold Touch is the presumed name, coming out apparently Q3).
As far as tablets, having used webOS before for five months, it is also in the running as a potential solution for me, but I'm waiting on the iPad 2 announcement as well as a hands on with the Blackberry Playbook and the sundry Android 3.0 Honeycomb devices before I make up my mind.
Just learned that TouchPad isn't going to be out until summer.
Tech companies: APPLE ***** on you guys because they release things in a timely matter after announcement, how the **** have you not learned this yet??
HP boardroom - "Guys, we've got a great device here, you know what we should do? Demo it 6 months before we actually release it and let Apple just solidify their lead with their actual shipping product!"
"Genius! Get this man a raise!"
Dumbasses.
Exactly!
That's why it's so annoying when people on various tech sites will imply or say outright that people are lemmings because they get excited whenever Apple announces some new product, but here's the deal. When Steve Jobs is standing on a stage demoing a new product, we all know we're days, if not hours, away from actually having one in our hands. That creates real excitement. Apple doesn't do flashy marketing videos 10 months before a product is out. They don't demo something that is months away from release (with the exception of developer peeks at OS X). They just don't do vaporware. Given how often hyped up tech goodies turn out to be BS, I think the excitement is entirely justified.
Oh, the other thing I noticed was you and possibly some others have spoken of the "same home button", but I've looked carefully at the pics and I can't see where you're seeing a home button? As I recall from what I've read, there is no home button on the Touchpad? That would certainly differentiate it further if some -- and again go even further ironically in the direction of "Apple" simplicity. ;-)