Adobe Flash isn't coming to iOS. If anything, Flash is probably in a weaker position today than when Steve Jobs first made light of it way back when and Steve isn't going to change his mind now since it appears that H.264/HTML5 is beginning to win (although, it's certainly not a sure bet either way).In the Appleinsider version of this story it says that the TouchPad will run Adobe Flash. An interesting thought came to me: with the Retina display pretty much dead for the iPad 2, does anybody think that the rumored upgrades in the CPU/GPU might not be for that at all, but rather to enable Flash on the iPad??!! Could Apple surprise everybody with a pre-emptive strike on HP (and a great new feature!) like this, do you think? I'm sure these tech companies spy on each other somehow and 'know' what's coming from their competitors, to a degree. Man, I sure hope so!
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HP Announces WebOS-Based TouchPad Tablet, Pre 3 and Veer Smartphones
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This. WebOS is nothing like iOS. It's obvious many people in the thread have never actually used webOS before.
That said:
1) Is the screen IPS or not? I read somewhere that it isn't, but don't know how reliable that is.
2) No battery life/price? This is really getting old when companies do this.
3) The UI looks pretty laggy which is massive problem (check out Precentral's vids)
4) The massive # of quality apps for iPad trumps anything the Touchpad brings to the table.
Does the tablet have 3G capabilities or is it wifi only?
And how exactly is it any different than the iPad? The only "difference" I can see is that it runs WebOS.
Either way, people need to wait for iPad 2 before comparing this new device to the original iPad. The original iPad came out a long time ago comparatively.
And how exactly is it any different than the iPad? The only "difference" I can see is that it runs WebOS.
Either way, people need to wait for iPad 2 before comparing this new device to the original iPad. The original iPad came out a long time ago comparatively.
I love it...
- Apple makes iPad.
- Copycats follow suit and make faster tablets.
- Apple waits.
- Thousands of people buy iPad knock-offs that don't have iTunes or App Store- and for what?
- Only for Apple to release iPad 2 and the rest is history.
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About time... Would really screw up
AAPL numbers if not saved for now by rich cintent suite and beautiful OS. I believe HP knew (has all the inside info) to be sure their touchpad (excellent name) is more fully featured. I hope i am wrong. Jeres a great tablet article (hard to not say touchpad isn't iy?)
Apple has a tremendous advantage on the market right now, says Rhoda Alexander of iSuppli. They came out with the definitive product at the start of this market. They set the standard. Theyre able to put together hardware, software, a user-friendly operating system and a full content suite. What weve seen the competition be hampered by is they fail to do all of this
About time... Would really screw up
AAPL numbers if not saved for now by rich cintent suite and beautiful OS. I believe HP knew (has all the inside info) to be sure their touchpad (excellent name) is more fully featured. I hope i am wrong. Jeres a great tablet article (hard to not say touchpad isn't iy?)
Apple has a tremendous advantage on the market right now, says Rhoda Alexander of iSuppli. They came out with the definitive product at the start of this market. They set the standard. Theyre able to put together hardware, software, a user-friendly operating system and a full content suite. What weve seen the competition be hampered by is they fail to do all of this
The sprint pre had the button there too. While the later runs of the phones only had a sensitive gesture area there, it did the same thing. This certainly isn't a copy of Apple's home button as it does much more: Forward/backward gestures for in-app navigation, larger swipes to switch apps, etc.Watch the vid on engadget. It has the home button exactly where iPad has it. Albeit does not have the square icon on it. Same factory perhaps without the print run.
Similar placement, sure. But for a gesture area like Palm uses, where else would they put it?
Watch the vid on engadget. It has the home button exactly where iPad has it. Albeit does not have the square icon on it. Same factory perhaps without the print run.
LOL, tigres, thanks.
I did see it finally being used in the video.. it was hard to see in the pics. Interesting that HP dropped the gesture area that is so ubiquitous on the webOS platform on the Pre's and Pixi's in favor of an iOS-type "Home" button for their tablet, while RIM, whose Blackberry smartphones have a a number of dedicated physical buttons as well as two (or one on newer) user-configurable convenience keys went the old Palm webOS route by using gestures on their Playbook tablet... Funny!
http://www.precentral.net/touchpad-hands-on
The Palm fans are really HARSH on that thing.
I think the TouchPad is getting more love from Mac fans than from its CORE audience
That is not a good sign.
The Palm fans are really HARSH on that thing.
I think the TouchPad is getting more love from Mac fans than from its CORE audience
That is not a good sign.
I am not going to get into numbers, I don't have the time to look up now; but I have a question.
If iPad has penetration in the corporate world (we have all seen the data and reports) and assuming businesses are embracing the platform and investing heavily on the product (I.E. Collages, hospitals, lawyers, k12's etc), where does this leave a new product/os?
I know there is always plenty of room in the marketplace for players, but maybe it is too late for a good entry point when Apple is on lap 100 and others are just getting the tires on in the pits.
Right now I would fathom to guess (even before ipad2) that iPad has about 98.9% market share. <- don't hold me to that, but I think it's a safe estimate.
Not to mention the consumer base of which Apple has built there iOS kingdom around. I am not promoting that fanboy argument, I am honestly wondering what type of true marketshare this tablet plans or has the ability to gain.
Feel free to cretique my numbers; but I think you get the overall synopsis.
Can anyone really take on Apple in this category and be successful at it?
If iPad has penetration in the corporate world (we have all seen the data and reports) and assuming businesses are embracing the platform and investing heavily on the product (I.E. Collages, hospitals, lawyers, k12's etc), where does this leave a new product/os?
I know there is always plenty of room in the marketplace for players, but maybe it is too late for a good entry point when Apple is on lap 100 and others are just getting the tires on in the pits.
Right now I would fathom to guess (even before ipad2) that iPad has about 98.9% market share. <- don't hold me to that, but I think it's a safe estimate.
Not to mention the consumer base of which Apple has built there iOS kingdom around. I am not promoting that fanboy argument, I am honestly wondering what type of true marketshare this tablet plans or has the ability to gain.
Feel free to cretique my numbers; but I think you get the overall synopsis.
Can anyone really take on Apple in this category and be successful at it?
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I love it...
I love it... I just love it.
- Apple makes iPad.
- Copycats follow suit and make faster tablets.
- Apple waits.
- Thousands of people buy iPad knock-offs that don't have iTunes or App Store- and for what?
- Only for Apple to release iPad 2 and the rest is history.
Aren't the competitor's supposed to cost at least as much if not more?
What's REALLY funny is that by the time theirs are out, Apple's on the 2nd generation and the older ones will be on close-out or refurbished for much less.
And your point 4 is even more troubling given that apparently the TouchPad is running webOS 3.x which apparently doesn't run a lot of the existing webOS apps well (or at all?) due to the fact that those apps rely on the gesture area on the existing webOS devices (Pre's and Pixi's) that is remarkably absent on the TouchPad. I assume HP will address this before the device is actually in people's hands, but... still a big question mark. It can hardly afford to lose any ground in the app space!
A weaker position? How? They're only growing, especially with Android's increased market share since "way back when". H.264/HTML5 is never going to "win", because they aren't in the same race. Just because they both support video doesn't mean anything, they are completely different things
It Was Just a Thought.... (Will Support Flash, #370)
I know you're most likely right; I was just thinking about the power of the new (rumored) chips. I suppose in the iPad 2 iteration they'll simply make the device a whole lot snappier, which will be a good thing in itself! Can't wait !!
I know you're most likely right; I was just thinking about the power of the new (rumored) chips. I suppose in the iPad 2 iteration they'll simply make the device a whole lot snappier, which will be a good thing in itself! Can't wait
!!Not only it has similar dimensions: 9.7 inch screen, 1.6 lb, same resolution,but it has only one camera, coming out summer, no decent amount of apps, no pandora. Sure, it has a nice notification sys., but ios 50.0 will take care of that. I like the ios fast switching multi-tasking to me, because I can see what I have used and can switch to it in a fly. The card style is cool effect but not useful, unless you are working with only a few cards. iOS fast switching is useful and i use it all the time. Web os is better than android though. It will be hard for competition to beat apple's app store (over 60,000 tablet apps), itune and ipad 2 is almost here!!
I don't know about the numbers per se, but I think there's no question that Apple is absolutely firmly entrenched as the market leader in the tablet space, and the Apple ecosystem with the tons of iOS apps and the adoption of the platform as you pointed out, is going to really make it hard on competitors to *beat* Apple anytime soon; however, I do think it's early enough that RIM with its PlayBook and possibly HP with the TouchPad might be able to carve out a small but profitable piece of the tablet market. RIM may sway some in the enterprise market who already are using BES and trust the platform. I'm not sure where HP is going to fit in just quite yet.
Android is going to have at least a small piece of the market just by virtue of the fact that it has a substantial piece of the smartphone market already, and has multiple hardware vendors who will offer a variety of form factors, etc. For example, I really, really like the smaller form factor of the Samsung Galaxy Tab, although I would not purchase any pre Android 3.0 tablet.
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Everything about the product AND the presentation is copying Apple. It's not faboyism to realize that, it's common sense.
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Everything about the product AND the presentation is copying Apple. It's not faboyism to realize that, it's common sense.
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Regarding all the copycat allegations, fanboys should know that Jon Rubinstein worked at Apple as the senior vice president of hardware engineering. He is largely credited for designing the ipod. and to be honest we still don't know how much of apple's tech he has contributed to.
For all we know he could be the inventor of the ipad too. In which case he simply transfered his R&D from Apple's lab to HPs...
Good points... but a minor point: Pandora IS available already for Palm Pre, a webOS smartphone (google pandora webos and you'll see
), so while I'm not sure if it's quite compatible yet with webOS 3.0, which is what TouchPad uses, I'd bet $10 it will be available on the TouchPad when it's actually selling, if it doesn't already work (it might, dunno).So when Apple introduces a dual-core iPad with a front camera, will you call it a massive copy of the HP tablet?
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Regarding all the copycat allegations, fanboys should know that Jon Rubinstein worked at Apple as the senior vice president of hardware engineering. He is largely credited for designing the ipod. and to be honest we still don't know how much of apple's tech he has contributed to.
For all we know he could be the inventor of the ipad too. In which case he simply transfered his R&D from Apple's lab to HPs...
Wonder how much Papermaster had to do with the specks on this.
jk
Well according to the WSJ, that would be impossible, they are on the assembly line as we type.
You act as if the people here aren't harsh on new apple products when they come out.
Not bad. Potentially our first real competition, I see this as a good thing, drives more innovation. Long shipping time though...not good for them, but great for apple. Also appears that HP has a viable tablet, but they are missing all the established fun stuff that goes with it and earns Apple money and makes it's customers happy. If someone is going to beat out apple they are going to have to have an ecosystem and better hardware and a better overall user experience. Not being a fanboy, but there doesn't really seem to be anyone out there that has put it all together yet.
iPad's marketshare has gone down near 75%. Android went from 2% to like 23%.
link - http://www.appleinsider.com/article..._market_slides_to_77_android_rises_to_22.html
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