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HP Announces WebOS-Based TouchPad Tablet, Pre 3 and Veer Smartphones
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Its been very profitable for AAPL to include competitive features when demand is super high and or when unique ideas are exhausted. Will be glad to see what gen 3 looks like... That's my litmus test to choose between tablets anyhow.
Its been very profitable for AAPL to include competitive features when demand is super high and or when unique ideas are exhausted. Will be glad to see what gen 3 looks like... That's my litmus test to choose between tablets anyhow.
iPad had 98% because no one else was in the market. It was found out after other players started entering that 98% dropped to 75% and I expect it to keep dropping as more and more players enter the market.
Also the iPad inroads in the corporate road is still not much and Apple is not and will not be trusted very much not to screw over the companies later and those inroads are small compared to the inroads HP has which on the corporate side has proven reliably.
Quoted from the palm threads over at palm central:
"One surprising thing: there is no gesture area to be found on the Touchpad - the home button is a physical button. HP didn't have very clear answers about how current apps that depend on the gesture will operate with the new system - it's pretty clear that they haven't yet decided exactly how to handle what they forebodingly called "legacy" apps. We are fully expecting that they'll be providing clearer details at tonights developer event and we'll be there to fill you in on all the details."
HP has "inroads" on the back end. Front end (mobile) devices? Not so much. You might have more of an argument with RIM.
We still don't know if those Samsung numbers are "SHIPPED" to carriers and stores or "SOLD" to customers. The real share could still be around 5% for Android. Apparently the Galaxy Tab has had a high return rate.
with 23% market share of SOLD devices, one would expect to see every now and than one in the wild .... I only see iPads / Kindle / Nooks in the wild, nothing else. (Kindle/Nook not being tables, but comparable size and often used in coffee shops) - on the same line, I haven't seen any WinMobile7 devices in the wild (but they at least admitted that their millions where 'sold' to manufactures/stores, not customers)
Exactly I don't think there is much doubt thats its sold to retailers. Anyone serious about an android tablet is waiting for the Motorola Xoom now.
You did read the update in the link you posted:
Update: Samsung has admitted that its "sales" figures for Galaxy Tab are actually inventory channel stuffing and do not represent real sales to consumers.
If you read that linked post you would realize the folly of your statement.
JohnG
I'll save him a little reading
"Update: Samsung has admitted that its "sales" figures for Galaxy Tab are actually inventory channel stuffing and do not represent real sales to consumers."
Like the iPad or hate it, no one tablet is selling anywhere near what ipad is. IT stands to reason that Apple marketshare overall will drop. Lots of companies are jumping into the market now that they have a concrete product and market to copy/work in. And yes every company is copying, where were they before iPad?
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Apple's gonna pay for your crashed car
Apple's gonna pay for your crashed car
You've got a head full of tablets
You're a siren's song
You cry for mama
And Apple's right along
He gives you the keys to a flamin' Tab'
Apple's with you wherever you are,
Apple's gonna pay!!!
Apple's gonna pay!!!
Apple's gonna pay.. - He's your best friend
Down on ya hands... - Until the end.
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A-ha sha-la, a-ha sha-la, A-ha sha-la, A-ha sha-la
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Apple's Your comfort
He's your best friend
Apple'll hold your hand right up to the end...
A-ha sha-la, a-ha sha-la
Apple's gonna pay for your crashed car
Apple's gonna pay for your crashed car
Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday's Alright.
Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday's Alright.
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Ummm....Apple have said focus is as much about choosing what not to do. As I understand it a number of SafariPad(aka iOS) team who left Apple maybe because of choices made to cut or delay some thing they felt strongly about are significant members of the the webOS team. So similarities are to be expected and contested. There is a lot of shared knowledge and vision between the two teams.
Not sure you'd call it copying, webOS may contain good ideas Apple choose not to use. It may even be closer to the original vision for safariPad than the iPad.
If that's a good or bad thing well we'll see once it gets in to peoples hands.
It does look good and this is the way competition should work, products should have some core idea that drive them and make them different in what may seem like very subtle ways but will have profound difference in how the user reacts to each.
I do like that HP seems to be looking at this as a way of getting a Desktop platform they can really hang their hat on.
Really???
I'd love for your statement to be true but I don't see it. There is no eco system of apps. There are no HP stores to offer sales support. HP phone support scores worse than apple in customer satisfaction.
I'm waiting on iPad 2 but it looks to me like the iPad original supports GPS in the WiFi only model while HP does not and it has a max of 32GB of memory versus 64GB for iPad.
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Microsoft sells phone OS software to manufactures of phones which is their customers. why would they need to admit that, that is how it is done.
Cut copy paste - crickets
Battery life - crickets
Folders (or other user content organization system) - crickets
And webos is coming to HP desktop/laptop computers! Wow! You know, just like OS X 10.7
Even though this thing isn't coming out until summer, or thereabouts, these guys are leaps and bounds ahead of Microsoft. Looks like Balmer is going to loose his bonus again this year.
Battery life - crickets
Folders (or other user content organization system) - crickets
And webos is coming to HP desktop/laptop computers! Wow! You know, just like OS X 10.7
Even though this thing isn't coming out until summer, or thereabouts, these guys are leaps and bounds ahead of Microsoft. Looks like Balmer is going to loose his bonus again this year.
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Nowhere close, for MANY YEARS... iTunes is continually growing, and the only real competition is NFLX. The AAPL content suite and overall ecosystem in my opinion is simply unbeatable for probably a decade.
Nowhere close, for MANY YEARS... iTunes is continually growing, and the only real competition is NFLX. The AAPL content suite and overall ecosystem in my opinion is simply unbeatable for probably a decade.
Not that passionate but feel the same
I agree it's vaporware until release. Why should Apple worry about a device which no one can buy yet?
Just learned that TouchPad isn't going to be out until summer.
Tech companies: APPLE ***** on you guys because they release things in a timely matter after announcement, how the **** have you not learned this yet??
HP boardroom - "Guys, we've got a great device here, you know what we should do? Demo it 6 months before we actually release it and let Apple just solidify their lead with their actual shipping product!"
"Genius! Get this man a raise!"
Dumbasses.
I agree it's vaporware until release. Why should Apple worry about a device which no one can buy yet?
Lol
Have you seen the prices for games? Try the mobile site from eagames and do a Search for Touchpad games. Do you wanna buy the same game for your Touchpad when it costs three times more? Oh well, some fanatics will do that. Just to profe it runs on their non-Apple 'Pad'. Serious, those price are outrages compared with those in the AppStore!
Do you know how many RAM this Touchpad will have? I do because I wanna compare it for real with the competition!
And that's just one example... At least I know that the next iPad will run all my apps that I've already bought. I don't wanna buy them again and pay three times more...
That's no competition. It's a poor effort to copy the iPad from Apple and their AppStore! I've not seen any specs that are new or revolutionary. They don't sell a 64gb version? Why? I wanna buy a 64gb device.
What about battery life? Nothing! Why do they even bother to publish specs?
Amazon.
1GB.
What about battery life? Nothing! Why do they even bother to publish specs?
I believe it was mentioned in the presentation that the battery would last all day (I might be wrong about that one). But serious battery estimates are somewhat unreasonable to expect for a product that is still 6 months out. The Playbook doesn't have official battery specs out and that's due sometime this Spring (though its been estimated at 4-5 hours).
Let's be honest, what most people are concerned about when the Flash versus H.264/HTML5 question arises is video playback. Sure, Flash includes a lot of things not related to video (as does HTML5), but the internet-delivered video marketplace is eventually going to converge on largely one of two choices:
Flash+H.264
-- or --
HTML5+H.264
And before anyone brings in Ogg Theora and Google's WebM let's note that Intel has included fixed-function, hardware-accelerated encode and decode of H.264 in their latest CPU architecture which pretty much seals the deal for H.264 (IMO).
That leaves only one question, do you want Flash or HTML5 as the wrapper for H.264? That's the real "openness" issue. Given all of the above, this whole debate about whether there should be an alternative to H.264 (because of patent licensing concerns) is kind of moot.
As far as a "win" for H.264/HTML5, I'd have to say that I've heard a lot more talk from content providers about offering new initiatives in H.264 and HTML5 than I have heard from others proclaiming exclusive reliance on Flash and one of Adobe's own video codecs.
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It would not be AAPL if they did'nt have at least one big surprise. Very much how the Apple conditioning process is structured. Regardless, iPad will remain the leader in the Tablet space and everybody knows regardless if they're willing to admit it to themselves. Its the waiting for a truly hardware feature rich product that is frustrating, but that's business. Gen 3 iPad will be stellar, and I pray it will have retina by then. Question to me is is retina display patented? Can resolution be patented? If not then it is only a matter if time when everything will have perfect screen res. regardless if the processor or battery can really handle it. Screen res is inarguably an extremely important selling point.
Ps. Buy AAPL on any slight price dip...
It would not be AAPL if they did'nt have at least one big surprise. Very much how the Apple conditioning process is structured. Regardless, iPad will remain the leader in the Tablet space and everybody knows regardless if they're willing to admit it to themselves. Its the waiting for a truly hardware feature rich product that is frustrating, but that's business. Gen 3 iPad will be stellar, and I pray it will have retina by then. Question to me is is retina display patented? Can resolution be patented? If not then it is only a matter if time when everything will have perfect screen res. regardless if the processor or battery can really handle it. Screen res is inarguably an extremely important selling point.
Ps. Buy AAPL on any slight price dip...
WebOS is an excellent mobile platform, too bad it originally got stuck on something as bad as the Palm Pre. Can't wait for this to be released.