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I don't know which is fuglier. This or the SurfaceBook. Makes me want to vomit. :eek::eek::eek:
I don't mind the SurfaceBook at all but the color scheme on this HP reminds me of the 80's when peeps were putting gold emblems on their black, tan and brown cars. The Dell XPS 13 5341 is still better than both.
 
I actually really really like this. The colors aren't my favorite but they are definitely on to something IMO. I really like the HP logo on the front. It looks sharp.
 
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Can someone tell me how being thinner is better if it doesn't weigh less? To me weight is more important than thinness.

I do find if curious that they chose Apple as their comparison point and not Microsoft and it's line of Surface products or even Dell and it's XPS series. I guess Apple comparisons still do get more attention/clicks.

Anyway here's what the laptop looks like in a non-press render. I don't think it looks any nicer than the XPS or Surface Book and had HP not trotted out the out-innovate Apple line how much attention would this laptop even be getting?

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The whole innovation discussion is ridiculous. It has turned into a marketing term that doesn't mean anything and injects confusion into any meaningful discussion about ACTUAL innovation.

Companies should innovate to bring products to consumers that they need and desire. Not use the term "innovation" for cosmetics to distract from a lack of actual product and process innovation.
 
Can’t you read?
……….that fold flush for a "nearly hingeless look”.
Bit of deduction for you. If they’ve included the words 'that fold flush’, in the sentence, it means when the laptop is closed.

Hey Sulfuric,
Why so acidic?

Most laptops have had "nearly hingeless look/s", especially when closed (that's the easy part of the design), for about the last 10 years. Has no one else noticed? And if they wanted to be properly descriptive, they could have said "...that fold flush for a nearly hingeless look when closed."
 
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It looks good!

Power is there too.. While I'm not a windows lover, it's not bad. Funny how they didn't add a touch screen though. I thought that would be the standard.

Definitely ups the game, Macbook airs have be come outdated and in desperate need of a refresh.

How does it "up the game"? It's not a Mac, so there's no logic to that statement. Apple aren't competing on specs, they're leading on experience, intuitive usage and customer sat IN EVERY ranking.

You mentioned touchscreen on a laptop, and how you think it should be the standard. Wow. Okay, I'm going now.
 
this HP laptop kind reminds me of the chiplet style of the surface or maybe the ipad pro u can dock to.
 
I have to admit, it's a nice looking laptop, but like anything HP makes, it's probably junk and the fact that it runs windows 10 which I find to be full of bugs - the design is not going to help.
iMac user with using parallels and windows 10.
 
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This is subjective of course, but I'd wager at least 99.9% of people disagree with you.

I think it looks revolting. If it was just plain black with subtle copper highlights it wouldn't have been too bad, but the thing looks so cheap and tacky. And since when have HP ever designed a truly great notebook? They haven't. They also lack the engineering talent to ensure a notebook that thin keeps adequately cool enough to not be a problem with a 15W CPU inside.

They're been attempting "MacBook killer" laptops since 2008-2009 - I saw Kevin Rose with one on "Diggnation" around that time, sporting "Beats" speakers as a "feature"... well, of that's all ya got, then... wow.

You can copy a style, but you can't copy it's soul.


"People who are really serious about software should make their own hardware."

(Alan Kay)
 
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The Hing looks really dumb, kinda like 70's hardware but the rest looks good. Still running Windows but at this rate with OS X quality, Windows will be more reliable than OS X anyway in the long run.

Today's the yellow pill, and I think you've mistakenly swallowed the bright green one, known for hallucinations.
 
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It's got some nice touches, well it's thin. Bit on the garish side for my taste. Not sure about the innovation bit, making something thinner doesn't really count as innovation much to me, yes even if it's Apple.

A phone that could last a week of heavy duty use, now that's innovation. Hell, I'd take a day of heavy duty use with a decent brightness level. The youth of today learning respect, my dad admitting he broke his computer and not some invisible tinkering monkey that sweeps through at night causing havoc there's innovation and another thing, I need coffee :D

Not that it matters, I'll only switch back to Windows over Apples cold dead body.

You can easily satisfy the "a week of heavy duty use" requirement -- buy a 12000mAH power bank, tape it with your phone. Here you go, a big brick fits your taste.
 
I'll try to shoot for "a bit more" instead of "rant," but the vast majority of it is a pervasive sense of indecision about what this OS actually is trying to do. Is it a hand-holder or does it trust you to know what you're doing? There's a delicate balance to those things, and I think Win10 has erred too far on the side of "I'm your nanny," especially when it comes to updates.

Then there's the fact that I've been using unix-based OS's for so long that I can't help but feel hemmed in by Win10. Basic things I feel like I should have control over just don't work. Or at least, not the way I expect them to. Part of that is a paradigm shift between OS's and I just like what I'm used to, but other parts of it are that I really feel like, in this day and age, it should be much easier to set sleep/wake schedules for a computer than Win10 makes it (for example).

So it's mostly personal preference, as with pretty much everything OS related. But I use Win10 on a daily basis and I'm always eager to get back onto my Mac where I can get stuff done without feeling like I have to fight the OS to do it.
I do agree. It is mostly about personal preference and our own "upbringing" into the tech world. It even compares to the Android vs. iOS argument in the sense that both mobile platforms are easy to use and navigate, but some Android users may feel a bit letdown that Apple over-simplified things, while some iOS users may feel that it takes a few extra steps to get something done in Android.

I also share a similar feeling regarding the Windows updates, but I think what Microsoft did wasn't so bad, at least for those who don't know much about computers - both current and previous generation users. Apart from that, Windows 10's standard options of sending data back to MS was another down point. Of course, we can customize to our likes / dislikes, but the extra hassle isn't very favorable.

But I think our situations are very similar, except reversed. I've been using Window for all my life, and while getting a MBP when I started college was a fascinating experience as a first time mac user; I grew bored of the OS. Perhaps it was because I missed the raw power of my desktop, or the desire to have a larger screen sized (as a college student, it's hard to justify expensive purchases. I still wonder if I would have continued using a Mac had I spent money on say the retina macbook pro), but either way, the familiarity of using Windows sort of caused a "home-sick" effect. After using my mac for the first two years, I slowly started moving away from it to the point where I rarely used it. I gave it up to my dad who uses it every day and loves it. He was another solo-Windows user (but he isn't a fan of technology really), but I can say he loves the Mac a lot.
 
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