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If this is HP's idea of innovation and design excellence then they are in deep doo doo. I'm not saying it doesn't have some nice technical features but the design is fugly.
You can't just say that you're "really taking over that mantle" of innovation and design without actually doing it.
 
Shame it's HP if this was Toshiba laptop I would look into it but so many problems in the past with HP notebooks that I give up on them as a brand regardless.

Let's see what Lenovo does.
 
If this is HP's idea of innovation and design excellence then they are in deep doo doo. I'm not saying it doesn't have some nice technical features but the design is fugly.
You can't just say that you're "really taking over that mantle" of innovation and design without actually doing it.
If HP hadn't done this PR spin prior to announcing this (the Verge had an article up the day before with a headline about how HP was going to out innovate Apple) would people even be talking about this laptop? And as far as out innovating Apple, I thought the tech press already decided Dell and Microsoft did that last year with the XPS and Surface Book. Yet HP decides their comparison point is going to be with Apple and the Mac. That was obviously done because they know Apple generates attention, clicks, page views.
 
Why so many haters?
At least HP came up with a new design instead of what so many others do nowadays. Just try to re-create the Apple aluminium look with glossy black screen frame and black keyboards. As if a laptop irequired look that way.
If it had a little Apple logo on it they would be drooling all over it, they can't help it, it's the church they belong to.
 
The point is not whether specific readers here find this particular design ugly or not, the point is that we desperately need competition to get Apple moving. I visit macrumors and 9to5mac regularly, to find out if there are at least some rumors on an updated MacBook/MBP. All I find is "new watchbands coming soon." I am completely set up in the Apple ecosystem, but I am getting impatient. I have worked on a Dell XPS13 (running Linux) and it is a very solid machine. If things don't improve on the Apple front, maybe it won't prove that hard to just leave them.
 
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Some people just don't like anything NOT Apple, sheesh. There's beauty outside of the Apple EcoSphere and this laptop does look nice.

One word: Hackintosh :)

Best of both worlds

Agreed. I wonder if I could put OS X on a Dell XPS13, or a comparable laptop? I am willing to play around to make it work, but at the same time don't want a hassle every time Apple releases a minor update... Advice?
 
So tired of this thin trend. Products are getting thinner but less reliable and productive.
 
Thinness. Looks like Apple isn't the only company that's beating this marketing ploy like a dead horse.
 
Nicely done HP. Especially this part: " three USB-C ports (two of which support Thunderbolt 3)".
Definitely raises the bar.
There is now no excuse for Apple to sell any Mac that uses Core M or fails to have multiple I/O ports capable of Thunderbolt. Whoever it was at Apple that came up with that single USB port idea needs to be taken out behind the woodshed and severely disciplined.
 
Meanwhile, this looks interesting. I wonder if/when we'll see it in the Mac.

http://www.patentlyapple.com/patent...using-on-a-game-changing-notebook-design.html

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If HP hadn't done this PR spin prior to announcing this (the Verge had an article up the day before with a headline about how HP was going to out innovate Apple) would people even be talking about this laptop? And as far as out innovating Apple, I thought the tech press already decided Dell and Microsoft did that last year with the XPS and Surface Book. Yet HP decides their comparison point is going to be with Apple and the Mac. That was obviously done because they know Apple generates attention, clicks, page views.
Except HP never put Apple's name in there, it's the media that claim HP is trying to out-innovate Apple... and the media do this because slapping "Apple" next to anything in the tech world is good for web traffic/ad sales.
 
Can someone tell me how being thinner is better if it doesn't weigh less? To me weight is more important than thinness.

I do find if curious that they chose Apple as their comparison point and not Microsoft and it's line of Surface products or even Dell and it's XPS series. I guess Apple comparisons still do get more attention/clicks.

Anyway here's what the laptop looks like in a non-press render. I don't think it looks any nicer than the XPS or Surface Book and had HP not trotted out the out-innovate Apple line how much attention would this laptop even be getting?

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It's brand targeted marketing. In marketing, I'd argue there's no strong brand than Apple. Like you said, Apple generates interest and attention. Not only in the tech world, but in the general populace as well. Dell and MS, not so much. Gather a group and say your laptop is better than an XPS. Blank stares and crickets primarily. Gather that same group and say your laptop is better than an MBA or MBP. Lifted eyebrows, "Oh really's", and "Lemme see that's". Apple laptops have the general reputation of being the best. Smart money makes comparisons to the best, not against also rans.

Those moaning about ports clearly miss the point of the MacBook with its single USB-C port. The vision is for a wireless future, Apple aren't going to go back on that goal. It would be like them adding a CD/DVD drive to the original MacBook Air just because consumers were tied to legacy technology that Apple could see disappearing in a few years.
If Apple intro's an MBA or MBP with one port, then you have a valid point. When they don't, and we all know they won't, your point will make little to no sense.

Isn't the Macbook significantly thinner overall, wedging out at only 3.5mm?
Thickness is measured at it's thickest point. Measuring any other way would be disingenuous. Kind of like when Apple points out the thinness of the edge of an iMac while ignoring the thickness of the bulge behind that edge.
 
I like the styling - very creative. It doesn't have to look like a Mac or carry an Apple logo for me to considering a well-designed product. Unfortunately it is saddled with Windows and I've had horrible, horrible experience with the reliability of HP laptops. One of the laptops I had to send back three times for the same issue (graphics card would fry). The first time it took months to get the laptop back from HP as they claimed it was out of warranty since it was more than a year since the manufacturing date. I faxed and emailed them (many, many times) the receipt that showed I purchased it only 9 months before it was sent in for repair, but they kept losing the receipt, couldn't find a supervisor to call me back, claimed that the unit was in the shipping department and nothing could be done until they got paid (I could apply for a refund after that), etc., etc.

Never again HP.
 
I like it. Got the chance to play with one during the unveiling in the office yesterday - hinge design up close is clever, viewing angle on the panel is fantastic. Everything is responsive (I know, we've had TP and KB problems in the past...) Popped off the d-cover on bottom to look at the internals - cram packed full of hardware. I didn't feel any heat the whole time I monkeyed with it.

As it's a consumer project, it wasn't one I was involved in, so it was a total surprise to me until the company announced it a few days before. (If it was announced earlier, I missed it. Too busy with my head in my own stuff.)

Of course, I'm biased cuz I work for HP. But no more biased than a bunch of Apple fanboys ;)

(I love Apple products, too. No worries.)
 
And Windows 10 is awesome, no idea what you lot are complaining about!! It's given a new lease of life to my work PC (7 years old).

The lack of fit and finish bothers me. There are two settings programs. Icons and UI elements from the modern UI and classic Windows. And doesn't it display ads on your lock screen?
 
its actually nice looking... don't like the thin aspect but over all nice looking computer and specs
 
If the trackpad is anything like the HP Elitebook then it will be freaking awful. so bad that they supply you with an onscreen bar to show you your pressure level to know if your "doing it right". Thin means nothing if your user experience still sucks on something people will use all the time.
 
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