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HP iPod To Appear September 5?
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encro said:
Oh please! That's most malarky I've read in this whole thread. If the iTMS goes away the iPod will do just fine. It works perfectly well as a straight mp3 player, which is probably what most people use it for anyway. And iTunes the music playing program existed long before the iTMS or the iPod, it grew to dominate the Mac mp3 application market simply because of superior ease of use and being free, other programs (thinking of Audion here) offered more features and better encoding quality earlier in the game.
The only part of this Trinity that actually needs the other two parts is the iTMS, because without the iPod there would be no business plan (like Buymusic.com and Napster) and without iTunes there would be no ease of use (and you would end up with something like Sony Connect).
stoid said:
I cant decide what you are referring too. The music player industry or the online store. Its a given they are going to make a music store one way or another.
If we are talking the player aspect of things. Hhehe. I love reading Mac user comments. MS isn't in the market when it comes to players. They provide the software. Its the god-knows-how-many OEM's who provide the hardware and sell the product and this is what has kicked the crap out of Apple in the past. One Apple OEM isn't going to take out an industry in the long run. Apple can keep doing what they are doing but 5-10 years down the road if they remain closed remain the caterer of the entire party someone else is going to come up with something that isn't quite as good but is cheaper. And will most likely be using MS's music service.
From the software/service side of things where MS is directly involved. Are you at least a bit surprised at how little information we know about their music initiative. In fact we really know NOTHING. Know your enemy is one of the most important tips in life. You brush MS off because they haven't done anything and because Apple has all but locked up the market. Stupid move. Never underestimate MS when you don't know what they are planning and don't have a clue at just how hard they are going to go after this market. Many companies have fallen because of such arrogance. As I've stated time and again. These folks have 40 BILLION in the bank. Heck if they wanted to they could buy a label or two. Microsoft records anyone? (You can be there would be a few people lining up at the DOJ's front door for that AT suit.) My point being is that Apple needs all the friends it can get its hands on before MS actually decides to yawn, stretch, and starts to lumber around the online music industry smashing everything in its way. Apple better have a DAMN good strategy for when MS decides to enter this market.
I cannot wait for the day when some PC drone informs me to the fact that HP invented the HPod and that Apple stole the HPod to make its Imitation iPod. That in fact iTunes only runs on Windows and you need a Windows computer to use iTunes, because Apple suck and is incompatible and Apple just steals all the great ideas from Microsoft HP and Dell.
Think it wont happen, ask any PC genius were Word and Power-point game from. Or the mouse, or the floppy disk, or the computer GUI, etc etc...
Think it wont happen, ask any PC genius were Word and Power-point game from. Or the mouse, or the floppy disk, or the computer GUI, etc etc...
Lanbrown said:
My second point was less to do with revenue and more to do with supplying an attractive loss-leader to a direct competitor. HP can use the HPod as a method of attractiing customers to their PCs, a style of marketing that Apple rarely uses.
I know Apple's computer sales are so low that it barely matters, but the iPod is a powerful tool for diverting the eyes of would be customers to the mac. The hPod will take away some of those eyes.
PS: HP Blue is quite nice. A lot of people (especially in the early days) will go for the HPod to be a little different. It will then be a well established product and you will buying a HPod or iPod depending on the colour you want or whether you will get 1 free when buying a HP PC
hPod sales
Well according to one recent Reuters article, at least one crack-smoking analyst is suggesting that hPod sales will quickly outstrip iPod sales. Supposedly, this is because of HP's large distribution channels.
While the HP branded iPod will certainly appeal to some people who prefer something less cool than the Apple brand and may not want to be associated with us Apple zealots, I can't see people buying hPods in droves.
Also, if there is such a demand for iPods that Apple can't keep up the supply, how is HP's sales going to outstrip Apple's???
And, well, there is just the image thing... How many people would buy a BMW if Ford started selling them under the Ford name AND for the same price?
I'm sure the hPod will do fine, but I'm betting it doesn't really take off and that there will be hPods sitting on store shelves while people are still waiting for the iPods they ordered.
Well according to one recent Reuters article, at least one crack-smoking analyst is suggesting that hPod sales will quickly outstrip iPod sales. Supposedly, this is because of HP's large distribution channels.
While the HP branded iPod will certainly appeal to some people who prefer something less cool than the Apple brand and may not want to be associated with us Apple zealots, I can't see people buying hPods in droves.
Also, if there is such a demand for iPods that Apple can't keep up the supply, how is HP's sales going to outstrip Apple's???
And, well, there is just the image thing... How many people would buy a BMW if Ford started selling them under the Ford name AND for the same price?
I'm sure the hPod will do fine, but I'm betting it doesn't really take off and that there will be hPods sitting on store shelves while people are still waiting for the iPods they ordered.
CHess said:
Well according to one recent Reuters article, at least one crack-smoking analyst is suggesting that hPod sales will quickly outstrip iPod sales. Supposedly, this is because of HP's large distribution channels.
I'm sure the hPod will do fine, but I'm betting it doesn't really take off and that there will be hPods sitting on store shelves while people are still waiting for the iPods they ordered.
The one smoking crack is possibly the one wrote this
If HP with tens of thousands of outlets cant shift truckloads of HPods there is something seriously wrong. Also there would be something seriously wrong if HP agreed to this deal without an assurance from Apple that they could supply this little goldmine device in the right numbers. Whichever way you look at it, for the forseeable future, Apple are going to be able to sell absolutely every device they can produce. On the one side, the posh iPods will be for those seeking Apple cool, whilst the HPods, probably bundled in a "killer" deal with PCs, will pander to the ones who want to be cool but for a perceived lower price.
iDave said:Um, Apple will sell to HP at slightly below retail just like they sell to PC Connection, MacMall or Best Buy. HP makes money on the markup. Apple still makes money, just a little less than if they sell directly from their own stores or website.
So, do you suppose the hPod will have blue earbuds and wires? Will Griffin make a blue hTrip FM transmitter?
The fact that only 50% of iPod sales are currently to WinPC users says something. With HP onboard selling them, perhaps that number will increase to 80% or something which makes more sense, considering the number of WinPC users. And soon, World Domination!
I highly doubt HP will be paying Apple's standard wholesale price. HP still has to sell them wholesale and allow a markup at retail.
quackattack said:
The reason Apple is doing this is that HP is the #2 computer maker. They move a lot of units. Don't forget that HP is also preinstalling itunes on every new computer they make.
It would be assinine for Apple to NOT make the HP version of the ipod the exact same.
Could you imagine the conversation between Jobs and Fiorina....
Gee Carly, we really appriciate the fact that HP wants to bring their market clout over to the perceived little guy and help us move thousands of additional ipods that we might not be able to move on our own. Simply due to lack of exposure. However, we need to protect our existing users... Therefore, we are going to give you a model that is equivalent to a Chevette...
Carly's response: F*** you Steve, we will just cobrand with Creative and call it a day, but thanks for listening to our proposal that could potentially help crush the competition.
C'mon y'all, if for no other reason than a HUGE windows based company realizing the potential of this and most importantly BLOCKING Redmond from pushing more of their junk on the OEM's, this is a historic and great day for Apple!!!
jacobj said:
Dude, the precise reason for a device like the ipod is to turn people onto the digital lifestyle. The iPod was desiged specifically to lure people over to Apple and give them a reason to at least look at the hardware.
ie. Die hard windows user decides to step up and be cool for once in their life and get an ipod. Is soo impressed with it that they decide to disguse themself and hit the local Apple store. While in the apple store is so impressed with the eye candy and performance and stabillity of the machines, not to mention all of the cool stuff he can do so easily with them, he decides to switch.
That, in addition to gobs of profit, is the reason for the ipod..........
Ok,
The iPod is now available on Hp's shopping site. They are selling both of the current ipods (20 & 40 gig). Nothing about them is different except that its call Apple Ipod for HP.
Basically, all there are doing is reselling the ipod and including itunes on their computers. iPod's are white and normal looking. Available September 15th.
I want to hear about the TV's HP is coming out with today. Maybe they'll be alright.
Thats the news.
The iPod is now available on Hp's shopping site. They are selling both of the current ipods (20 & 40 gig). Nothing about them is different except that its call Apple Ipod for HP.
Basically, all there are doing is reselling the ipod and including itunes on their computers. iPod's are white and normal looking. Available September 15th.
I want to hear about the TV's HP is coming out with today. Maybe they'll be alright.
Thats the news.
webmatthijs said:Anyone going to see the webcast?
Too bad it's only available in WMP or Real format! How ironic!
jholzner said:
Heh, yeah. I've got both. Sorry, but I need them both. QT of course is billions better than WMP and Real together.
rdowns said:
Yeah, true, but IMHO it doesn't matter to which format it's formatted, you can format it again to either.
True; since Apple is making iPods specifically for HP with the HP logo and this licensing deal, there probably is special pricing as well. Chances are, Apple sacrifices another $15 per unit (just guessing). HP's dealers have to make a buck too.rdowns said:
Hpod will not be blue
Funny to see all this pontificating about the "blue" color of the hPod. It's not going to be blue. I guess we'll wait and see in just a few minutes, but I suspect it will look just like a regular iPod, but just with the HP logo on the back.
Funny to see all this pontificating about the "blue" color of the hPod. It's not going to be blue. I guess we'll wait and see in just a few minutes, but I suspect it will look just like a regular iPod, but just with the HP logo on the back.
problems with webcast?
is anyone besides me having problems viewing the webcast? It says that I need to be running Windows and have IE.....I tried in both Mozilla and Safari with luck....Help!
is anyone besides me having problems viewing the webcast? It says that I need to be running Windows and have IE.....I tried in both Mozilla and Safari with luck....Help!