The biggest issue I see is simply that you cant serve 2 masters (or in HP's case 3), they are already selling printers with android tablets, are 2nd in PC and Laptop sales running windows, and now are trying to push their own OS. While I can see a market for what is left of the Palm diehards, I really cant see the attraction for developers who have a choice between Android with a huge array of manufacturers and devices and Apple who has a mature and established market. At best I see them taking on RIM for the corporate market.
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And Alexander Graham Bell wouldn't have been born, if it wasn't for his parents.
And none of this would ever have happened if Adam could have resisted.
You see, it did all start with an APPLE!
(at least that's what all the pictures of the "forbidden" fruit look like.
I think the potential is there to have a really good product. I definitely prefer their method of multitasking though they have a ways to go with respect to theirvertical integration of services and hardware. Plus a lot of people are locked into the apple ecosystem.
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All I can say to tired a** HP is good luck losers.
All I can say to tired a** HP is good luck losers.
WebOS user diatribe!
As a current WebOS user (Pre+) I really think HP needs to stop trying to copy Apple's success and go off on their own tangent. imho Playbook/Android keeps is playing the same game MSFT played with Zune and meeting exactly the same fate (BB at least), the game being of course "catch-up". They keep matching features, but its too late (ex. Xoom matching iPad 1, just as iPad 2 debuts). To win its not enough to simply 'keep up' but rather they need to copy Apple's own strategy by ambushing them with new, innovative, well thought out feature implementations at aggressive price-points.
WebOS is, imho the only mobile OS currently in a position to do this. It is an amazingly well thought out, incredibly under-rated OS. All it really needs is some bug-fixes to already be on par or in many ways (Flash, memory management, multitasking, notification) surpass iOS!
It just needs some good, core applications, MUCH BETTER customer support (as a Pre+ owner, I am STILL waiting for Flash, broken promises over updates etc) and HW (I am currently awaiting FedEx to deliver my 4th Pre warranty replacement in <2yrs).
Until it has the apps, it should be priced much more aggressively to increase adoption and drive developer interest ($299 for 16Gb Wifi, $349 3G, etc.) Otherwise, I think users like me will stick to Apple due to reliability, warranty, and App support, even if we really like WebOS better as a browsing experience!
As a current WebOS user (Pre+) I really think HP needs to stop trying to copy Apple's success and go off on their own tangent. imho Playbook/Android keeps is playing the same game MSFT played with Zune and meeting exactly the same fate (BB at least), the game being of course "catch-up". They keep matching features, but its too late (ex. Xoom matching iPad 1, just as iPad 2 debuts). To win its not enough to simply 'keep up' but rather they need to copy Apple's own strategy by ambushing them with new, innovative, well thought out feature implementations at aggressive price-points.
WebOS is, imho the only mobile OS currently in a position to do this. It is an amazingly well thought out, incredibly under-rated OS. All it really needs is some bug-fixes to already be on par or in many ways (Flash, memory management, multitasking, notification) surpass iOS!
It just needs some good, core applications, MUCH BETTER customer support (as a Pre+ owner, I am STILL waiting for Flash, broken promises over updates etc) and HW (I am currently awaiting FedEx to deliver my 4th Pre warranty replacement in <2yrs).
Until it has the apps, it should be priced much more aggressively to increase adoption and drive developer interest ($299 for 16Gb Wifi, $349 3G, etc.) Otherwise, I think users like me will stick to Apple due to reliability, warranty, and App support, even if we really like WebOS better as a browsing experience!
From the Data Center photos that they showed at the keynote, they seemed to be using NetApp gear (for storage anyway).
They're not messing around with that stuff.
The tablet market will not be like the ipod market. With smart phones coming before the tablet and with this market being so new apple will not rule it with an iron fist. Android is now bigger then ever, people know what android is now and majority of the people using android happy, these people will have no reason not to buy an android based tab. They use it on their phones now they can use it on their tablets. Believe or not the name "iOS" is not as well now as "android" the ipad is well known but most people see it as a tablet running the same thing that the iPhone does.
iPhone 4 is the current phone from Apple. While you may consider it old technology, its their current offering and no replacement has been yet announced. Nobody made anyone purchase a white iPhone. You may disagree with their decision to purchase a white iPhone 4, but Apple didn't make anyone purchase anything. And any contract is with the carrier, not Apple.
You've just proved the "reading skills are lacking" comment. Its not screwing your customers to sell a product that doesn't have all the features of the competition. However it is screwing your customers to claim to have features and fail to deliver and do nothing about it.
Now troll, go back under your bridge and play with your android phone.
I have not read the whole thread, but people often compare this VHS BetaMax thing and the truth is...VHS was better. Alot better. BetaMax was better in some ways but was not better in every way. It was worse in the way most people cared. A technology rarely has just one metric and so rarely is one just all out better than another. Android has some really nice technology, but there are many metrics it must compete on, not just one. The PS3 is a little better than an Xbox360 technologically and feature wise, but was introduced at a ridiculous price that could not overcome the fact that the 360 was really close. The Wii sucks beyond belief in graphics, but was introduced with a fantastic new hook that people love.
Finally it does not matter if Apple wins the phone wars and becomes dominant. Apple is making so much freaking money that they will continue to make their awesome iPhone until the end of time.
And yet...they are not buying it in droves. I think Android may "win" but so far people get Androids with free or near phones and do not choose it. Well, some people do, but most people just get the cheapest phone with a nice screen and that happens to be Android. And the carriers are happy because they control Android phones.
Not clear on the what the ipod market is? You mean the mp3 player market that had existed and sucked for years before Apple introduced the iPod? That market? Now Apple invents markets. They invented the modern smartphone and the modern tablet. What a crazy world!
You just made my point. Apple's fundamental objective is the same as every other company.
If you combine the words current and technology, they do not define the iPhone 4. When newer technology exists, devices without that newer technology are no longer current.
You also shouldn't throw the copycat word around when almost every new iOS 5 feature is merely a copy of what is already out there.
The iPhone 4 is Apple's current technology. That's drastically different from the current technology of the rest of the world.
No one is saying Apple forced anyone to do anything. You're arguing that point with yourself.
My reading and comprehension skills are obviously far superior to yours. What's absent is your ability to debate a topic without becoming defensive and resorting to personal attacks. You defined screwing customers as shipping things that are less than complete. Apple has done that numerous times -- and you're the epitome of a fanboy if you say they haven't.
I'm the troll? That's actually pretty funny. Considering I'm a long time Apple fan and have never owned an Android device. I'd still rather be a troll than an undereducated fanboy with zero debate skills.
I'm excited for this launch. WebOS is the best smartphone OS currently in my mind. It needs more apps to match iOS and Android, but the notification and application switching is unmatched(currently, iOS changes the game)
When you look at the tablets, the iPad 2 allows for 4/5 finger switching that adds a lot to me, the TouchPad still has the nice advantages of WebOS, but on a tablets, iOS seems to do a better job and I'll stick to my iPad 2 for my tablet.
When you look at the tablets, the iPad 2 allows for 4/5 finger switching that adds a lot to me, the TouchPad still has the nice advantages of WebOS, but on a tablets, iOS seems to do a better job and I'll stick to my iPad 2 for my tablet.
A mess? webOS is one of the best mobile operating systems in existence. If you think HP absorbed Palm for anything other than webOS, you're crazy.
VHS Was first to table with EP 6 hour recording. That was all people needed to hear. When they could program the thing to record their weeks worth of shows it was game over Betamax. That's my memory.
But hey, in the pro world Sony had BetacamSP and digibeta, the broadcast industry standards for like 15 years.
Agreed whole-heartedly.
Hence my money's on MSFT. A sleeping giant now unshackled from the DoJ's watchful eye.
WP7 isn't blowing sales record away by any stretch, but it's got very very positive consumer reviews (Samsung Focus owners are happier with their phones than iPhone owners), and is growing slowly but quite consistently. The Marketplace is growing at the same pace that iOS App Store did in its infancy. And in numbers, WP7 (once Mango is out) will have more built-in features than iOS (I'd like to see it against Android as well)
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Live Tiles are not the "for dummies" 4x4 icon grid, and Metro design language is fresh and unique.
The phones are priced competitively, and hopefully so will tablets... although I'm not optimistic on that latter point. The biggest barrier to Windows 8 succeeding is the price for a Windows license. I hope this is addressed. Consumers won't pay more for complexity.
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Unfortunately, yeah. Honeycomb blows, Microsoft's concept looks interesting (but tacky) and HP is basically a copycat.
Have you even used Honeycomb yet? I've played with an Acer Iconia a couple if days ago and although the hardware of that specific tablet can be improved, the software on it was great. I have also replaced my iPhone with a Samsung Galaxy S2 and couldn't be happier to have finally stepped out of Apple's digital iOS prison. Android gives me a level of control that is unthinkable in Apple land. Android lets you own your device while iOS only gives you very limited guest rights.
Nobody I have ever seen in real life has an Android (or anything else) tablet. For them, it is either an iPad or nothing. Maybe because they think that if they are going to get something luxurious, they must go to the top. (I am not agreeing to this or anything)
This will fail along with all of the other iPad competitors. I agree, though, MobileMe is pretty bad. I expect iCloud to be a really nice overhaul of Apple's cloud services.
The HP tablet is the same price per GB as the iPad, and the Xoom (was?) starting at $800, so I wouldn't consider the iPad the "top" price-wise.
Ha, when I called Microsoft for tech support (well I was really going to prank call) I immediately got transferred to India. The guy asked me for my name and said they would call back, but they never did. Maybe they hoped I would forget?
but the iPad won't play flash
Flash = 95% ads, 4% non-Youtube videos on sketchy sites, 1% unplayable games on a mobile device
all laggy
I wouldn't take Flash even if Apple allowed it.