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HP Preparing to Take on Apple With TouchPad, Potential Cloud-Based Media Service

I can't say that more options, or at least more devices to look at in the store, is a bad thing, but i don't see how it can replace my iPad 2. Ecosystem and integration is nowhere near as complete and i doubt that there will be a device, not made by Apple, with such a great ecosystem in a foreseeable future.
 
The copying comments come from the fact that smart phones looked one way before the iPhone, and then look like the iPhone now. And tablets spent a decade using styluses, and then the iPad came out and now suddenly every tablet is a touch screen. So while you can quibble over this feature here and that feature there (and copying does go back and forth on all sides with features), it's the big picture that demonstrates that the market lets Apple set the overall tone of a product, after which they copy it and try to take market share from Apple.

Will the HP tablets succeed? Probably. HP is big in the business world, and they can probably parlay their contacts (and contracts) into pushing a ton of these toward hapless office workers. As for the consumer market, we'll have to see if HP can come up with a good music store, movie store, app store and cloud solution. If so, they will indeed get a lot of the PC folks to buy their tablet.

But man, couldn't they undercut Apple's pricing even a little?
 
I can't wait to try one of these out. I gave Android tablets a fair shot and they just couldn't get me excited. I'd love to see what HP came up with, especially with the help of webOS.
 
Ibjr said:
The WebOS is the real deal but so was the Amgia. I doubt HP can pull it off but i desperately hope they can.
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Ditto....it'd be nice to see more competition. I really don't get how even die hard Apple fans cant admit this. Competition breeds creativity. It'll put Apple in a place where they have to pull their fingers our and get some pretty fancy updates released more regularly.

As far as I see it, the harder job Android and WebOS make it for Apple, the better.
 
HP and Entertainment.

Hummm.... just don't seem to go together.

Even thought there seems to be good buzz about this device, I think it's going to be odd ball out. Heck even Android and BB are having problems catching on in the Tablet market. Now we have another OS and another potential music store and on, and on, and on....

Good luck!
 
sined13 said:
let's summarize this thread:

- "they're copying apple"
- "it doesn't looks as cool as apple's"
- "they can't compete with apple"
- <some random post about another (unrelated) apple product>
- "competition is good"

there. Move along...
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go nucks!!!
 
NebulaClash said:
The copying comments come from the fact that smart phones looked one way before the iPhone, and then look like the iPhone now. And tablets spent a decade using styluses, and then the iPad came out and now suddenly every tablet is a touch screen. So while you can quibble over this feature here and that feature there (and copying does go back and forth on all sides with features), it's the big picture that demonstrates that the market lets Apple set the overall tone of a product, after which they copy it and try to take market share from Apple.

Will the HP tablets succeed? Probably. HP is big in the business world, and they can probably parlay their contacts (and contracts) into pushing a ton of these toward hapless office workers. As for the consumer market, we'll have to see if HP can come up with a good music store, movie store, app store and cloud solution. If so, they will indeed get a lot of the PC folks to buy their tablet.

But man, couldn't they undercut Apple's pricing even a little?
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Even though HP has business customers and they bring little to the table when it comes to "fitting in". Apple has the biggest advantage with it's iOS Eco System. Android next... at least the Apps from the phone will work on their tablets. HP has nothing or very little. Even though it looks like a solid product on the surface.

The bottom line... buy an iPad you know what you have. Buy this... maybe it will stick. Maybe it wont.
 
If you listen to music on the go its on a IPOD. If you want to "compute" on the go its on a IPAD.

The contest is already over and Apple won. Everyone else is just trying for distant second place.
 
Way to dig deep, HP!

The only way HP is going to leap frog Apple is to have something better (as defined by the consumer), not by matching the product and services. Their only hope is getting their employees to purchase them and the confused consumer who thinks they're getting an iPad...
 
rmwebs said:
Ditto....it'd be nice to see more competition. I really don't get how even die hard Apple fans cant admit this. Competition breeds creativity. It'll put Apple in a place where they have to pull their fingers our and get some pretty fancy updates released more regularly.

As far as I see it, the harder job Android and WebOS make it for Apple, the better.
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While I generally agree that strong competition benefits us consumers, I really think that Apple, or at least Steve, doesn't think that way. He's always looking to put out a better product.

Other companies will just sit back and milk their customers until a competitor comes along, but Apple seems motivated to improve in spite of what their competitors do.
 
hitekalex said:
And Apple wouldn't have an iPhone if it wasn't for Alexander Graham Bell.
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I wonder, back when other telephones started coming out, if there were gatherings at the local community center with a bunch of guys in top hats and tuxedos with waxed moustaches and hairdos arguing about how companies X, Y and Z copied Bell's telephone and how they were all far inferior.
 
It looks like HP has gobbled Palm whole and extinguished the little bit of Apple goodness that Rubinstein brought along with him. Seriously, HP marketing has all the charisma of a rock and every piece of marketing material for the Touchpad so far has confirmed that. I'm 99% of the way towards buying one of them but I'm nervous that HP is going to end up making one big dull mess.
 
If HP would produce an iPad-sized tablet powerful enough to run Windows 7 they would have something. Apple's 64GB iPad 2 has a faster processor, more RAM and more storage than my last Dell laptop. That machine ran XP Pro fast enough to be truly useful even for Photoshop.

A Windows 7 tablet with HDMI, MDP, USB and Gigabit Ethernet would be a seriously useful tool. I would prefer an OS X tablet but Windows 7 is also a very good operating system. Much of what I can do in OS X can also be done in Windows.

Come on HP, make something unique, not just another more powerful phone that doesn't make calls.
 
davidgrimm said:
While I generally agree that strong competition benefits us consumers, I really think that Apple, or at least Steve, doesn't think that way. He's always looking to put out a better product.

Other companies will just sit back and milk their customers until a competitor comes along, but Apple seems motivated to improve in spite of what their competitors do.
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Steve Jobs, or Apple for that matter, has the same objective as any other company -- make the most amount of money with the smallest investment. Releasing a 10 month old phone in a different color is not improving. It was a strategic move to recapitalize on an older product. Apple milks its customers just as much as the next company. The entire premise of brand loyalty is milking customers. Where Apple does a far better job is marketing, and leading customers to believe that Apple has this irresistible urge to create amazing products because that's their universal calling.
 
It just puzzles me how EXPENSIVE those devices are. I don't see how HP, Dell, Asus, Samsung, ViewSonic, and all the rest don't get it.

The only way to make any sort of dent in iPad sales is to provide something comparable at cheaper price. Why pay $499 for the copycat when you can get the real thing for $499?

There are rumors about Amazon tablet, and they claim that it will be competitively priced. Now that might win.
 
scottsjack said:
If HP would produce an iPad-sized tablet powerful enough to run Windows 7 they would have something. Apple's 64GB iPad 2 has a faster processor, more RAM and more storage than my last Dell laptop. That machine ran XP Pro fast enough to be truly useful even for Photoshop.

A Windows 7 tablet with HDMI, MDP, USB and Gigabit Ethernet would be a seriously useful tool. I would prefer an OS X tablet but Windows 7 is also a very good operating system. Much of what I can do in OS X can also be done in Windows.

Come on HP, make something unique, not just another more powerful phone that doesn't make calls.
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It sounds like you prefer laptops. Why do you insist they create a tablet that is basically a laptop that costs more and lacks a keyboard? Just stick with laptops if tablets are not right for you.

Several companies tried to sell your idea of a tablet for 10 years and they managed to sell less of them combined than the number of iPad 1 units sold.
 
aristotle said:
It sounds like you prefer laptops. Why do you insist they create a tablet that is basically a laptop that costs more and lacks a keyboard? Just stick with laptops if tablets are not right for you.

Several companies tried to sell your idea of a tablet for 10 years and they managed to sell less of them combined than the number of iPad 1 units sold.
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Exactly. The biggest mistake Microsoft is making is to put Windows 8 on everything, tablets included. This mistake is actually viewed as a strength by some, but it's a mistake because it's trying to shoehorn the old PC paradigm to a Post PC product. That's what always happens when eras change, with some folks insisting on using the new device the old way (3270 boards in early PCs to make them work like mainframe terminals, for instance).

If you need a full-blow PC OS, get a PC. Tablets are post PC and they need their own OS.
 
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