HP Spectre 13.3 vs MacBook 12

[sunapple]

There are now for 2016 a whole slew of thinner, faster ultrabooks with more ports, abd equal or better screens than the rmb. while i like mine and it does all i need it to do, it's dated and getting more dated by the day. apple's gonna have to do a whole lotta updating and refining to make it compete in the marketplace with the new sleek breed of windows machines. at te moment they are getting away with robbery charging $1299 and more for the outdated rmb.

Sounds like you think the one port is the result of some kind of limitation, but it's a clear design decision on Apples part.

It's not going to have more ports in the next update, but I bet they're actively figuring out a way to give it less ports (headphone jack, I'm looking at you).

It's not dated, it's futuristic. Too futuristic for some, just like when the SuperDrive got eliminated. Buy whatever laptop makes you feel like you made the right choice, but this is just what the MacBook is. Plenty of other options.

 

[SteveJUAE]

Likely even more. 12" diagonal screen with fairly little bezel vs. 13.3" diagonal screen with a lot of bezel makes for a TON more room inside.

Comparing the HP to the rMB is kind of like comparing the MBA11 to various 13-14" class laptops. Kind of nonsensical.

I don't disagree it's more MBA 13" in size.

0.5 litre gets you a rMB you seem to need 0.75 or more to get more ports and a I5/7 which may be why we wont see a significant upgrade options on the rMB unless a 14" comes out.

The SP4 volume is almost the same as the Spectre and the SP4 has touch and a less efficient space wise detachable KB amongst other things. SP4 without KB is similar volume to rMB.

Note this was based on one site stating Spectre was 325x229x10.4mm (12.8"x9.03"x10.4mm)

 

[tubeexperience]

Sounds like you think the one port is the result of some kind of limitation, but it's a clear design decision on Apples part.

It's not going to have more ports in the next update, but I bet they're actively figuring out a way to give it less ports (headphone jack, I'm looking at you).

It's not dated, it's futuristic. Too futuristic for some, just like when the SuperDrive got eliminated. Buy whatever laptop makes you feel like you made the right choice, but this is just what the MacBook is. Plenty of other options.

Oh, so if Apple gets rid of all the ports and you have to charge your MacBook inductively, you'll say: "Oh! That's so cool! It's so futuristic!"

The matter of fact is that an overwhelming majority of users prefer having more than one port.

 

[sunapple]

Oh, so if Apple gets rid of all the ports and you have to charge your MacBook inductively, you'll say: "Oh! That's so cool! It's so futuristic!"

The matter of fact is that an overwhelming majority of users prefer having more than one port.

I don't know why you're so sarcastic all the time and I also think you're not paying close attention to what I'm saying.

I've already referred to the 2008 MacBook Air right? Well, users were very happy with its portability, but it had a very high price, performance was underwhelming, it had just one USB port and no SuperDrive. It's exactly the same case as with the 12" MacBook, only now we know what happened next:

In 2010 Apple refined the MacBook Air which is still a benchmark to this date. It doesn't have Ethernet or a SuperDrive, but people like it, it's fast now that processors are finally efficient and fast, battery life has gone up an incredible 7 hours from the 2008 model and it's reasonably priced at entry level prices.

The 12" MacBook is hated by people like you who don't like the compromises, but in a few years this will be standard and you'll get used to it. In a good way, because like always, standing still is not an option in technology world. You can hate it now, that's okay, but at least try and understand why I like what it is. I don't even have one myself, I have a 15" MacBook Pro that has the power and ports I need.

So to answer your statement: yes, I'll applaud a port-less wireless charging MacBook. That would be cool. People prefer all kinds of things right now, but they don't think ahead. Not that they have to, that's up to Apple and other manufactures.

 

[tubeexperience]

I don't know why you're so sarcastic all the time and I also think you're not paying close attention to what I'm saying.

I've already referred to the 2008 MacBook Air right? Well, users were very happy with its portability, but it had a very high price, performance was underwhelming, it had just one USB port and no SuperDrive. It's exactly the same case as with the 12" MacBook, only now we know what happened next:

In 2010 Apple refined the MacBook Air which is still a benchmark to this date. It doesn't have Ethernet or a SuperDrive, but people like it, it's fast now that processors are finally efficient and fast, battery life has gone up an incredible 7 hours from the 2008 model and it's reasonably priced at entry level prices.

The 12" MacBook is hated by people like you who don't like the compromises, but in a few years this will be standard and you'll get used to it. In a good way, because like always, standing still is not an option in technology world. You can hate it now, that's okay, but at least try and understand why I like what it is. I don't even have one myself, I have a 15" MacBook Pro that has the power and ports I need.

So to answer your statement: yes, I'll applaud a port-less wireless charging MacBook. That would be cool. People prefer all kinds of things right now, but they don't think ahead. Not that they have to, that's up to Apple and other manufactures.

I want to quote what you said:

Sounds like you think the one port is the result of some kind of limitation, but it's a clear design decision on Apples part.

It's not going to have more ports in the next update, but I bet they're actively figuring out a way to give it less ports (headphone jack, I'm looking at you).

It's not dated, it's futuristic. Too futuristic for some, just like when the SuperDrive got eliminated.

 

[sunapple]

I want to quote what you said:

Those things I said go perfectly together, I'm not sure what your point is. I am, though, pretty sure I'm talking to a wall here.

 

[navaira]

Oh, so if Apple gets rid of all the ports and you have to charge your MacBook inductively, you'll say: "Oh! That's so cool! It's so futuristic!"

The matter of fact is that an overwhelming majority of users prefer having more than one port.

It baffles me every time when people are shouting "remove features Apple! I don't use them so remove them! Also my Macbook is always connected so remove the battery!"

Imagine what would happen if Apple made the Macbook 2mm larger (deeper) to accommodate two USB-C ports. Ive would have a fit, and after him half of this forum. "I will never buy this gigantic computer with too many ports I have to carry around!!!"

 

[David58117]

Another negative - it's Windows.

I've had a surface pro 3 and Windows 10, I'm not going back.

 

[KPOM]

3 USB-C seems a bit excessive. 2 is fine (so you can charge and use a device without a hub). I do wonder why HP didn't make one of them a Thunderbolt 3 port.

 

[PTLove]

3 USB-C seems a bit excessive. 2 is fine (so you can charge and use a device without a hub). I do wonder why HP didn't make one of them a Thunderbolt 3 port.

2 of them are thunderbolt 3.

 

[deeddawg]

Another negative - it's Windows.

Well, yeah, there is that, although some folks point was if HP can put 3 USBC ports into their thing 13.3" laptop then why can't Apple put the same into their substantially smaller 12" laptop. When Apple updates the 13 and 15" machines, I imagine they'll have multiple ports.

I use windows daily for work because I need to. I use OS X on my person systems because there I get to choose.

 

[Queen6]

3 USB-C seems a bit excessive. 2 is fine (so you can charge and use a device without a hub). I do wonder why HP didn't make one of them a Thunderbolt 3 port.

Two ports support Thunderbolt 3.0 the third USB 3.1. All three support DisplayPort and charging via USB. As the Spectre is utilising USB C for charging three ports seems only prudent.

Am just hoping that Apple doesn't gimp the upcoming new MacBook Pro`s with just two USB C Thunderbolt 3.0 ports, for the sake of form over function.

Q-6

 

[tubeexperience]

Another negative - it's Windows.

And? At least it isn't a netbook with a crappy keyboard.

 

[KPOM]

Two ports support Thunderbolt 3.0 the third USB 3.1. All three support DisplayPort and charging via USB. As the Spectre is utilising USB C for charging three ports seems only prudent.

Am just hoping that Apple doesn't gimp the upcoming new MacBook Pro`s with just two USB C Thunderbolt 3.0 ports, for the sake of form over function.

Q-6

Thanks for the info. Does the DisplayPort conform to the USB-C 3.1 spec or is it something like the alternate mode that Dell is using with the XPS 13? I think Apple will only put in Thunderbolt 3 if they can keep it fully compliant with the USB 3.1 specs. I also think they will go no higher than 2 USB-C ports, if they put in a second port at all. They are really pushing wireless with the MacBook.

 

[Queen6]

Thanks for the info. Does the DisplayPort conform to the USB-C 3.1 spec or is it something like the alternate mode that Dell is using with the XPS 13? I think Apple will only put in Thunderbolt 3 if they can keep it fully compliant with the USB 3.1 specs. I also think they will go no higher than 2 USB-C ports, if they put in a second port at all. They are really pushing wireless with the MacBook.

Don't know until more specs on the Spectre are released. I have both the rMB & rMBP each serve differing purpose. Should Apple opt for just two ports, on the upcoming rMBP`s it will certainly diminish my interest. I do tend to agree it`s very much a possibility as Apple have a tendency to remove features, rather than add them.

I am ok with the rMB`s single port due to it`s usage, a second would be useful, however unlikely given Apple`s stance. I also think Apple may not release TB3 for the rMB until Kaby Lake, as their focus for the Mac in 2016 will be the new MBP, this would also be far simpler to execute and Apple likes simple to maintain and grow it`s margins.

Q-6

 

[deeddawg]

And? At least it isn't a netbook with a crappy keyboard.

Troll much?
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I also think Apple may not release TB3 for the rMB until Kaby Lake

I may be wrong, but wouldn't TB3 in the rMB before Kaby Lake require adding another chip to the logic board? If so, then I'd say its quite improbable. It's already fairly evident that the rMB is intended as a "portability above other considerations" laptop and not a desktop-replacement/power-user oriented system. I find it amusing that so many can't see that and get all tore up over what the rMB isn't rather than focus on what it is.

 

[Queen6]

I may be wrong, but wouldn't TB3 in the rMB before Kaby Lake require adding another chip to the logic board? If so, then I'd say its quite improbable. It's already fairly evident that the rMB is intended as a "portability above other considerations" laptop and not a desktop-replacement/power-user oriented system. I find it amusing that so many can't see that and get all tore up over what the rMB isn't rather than focus on what it is.

Yep Apple would need to squeeze in Intel`s Alpine Ridge TB3 controller for Skylake, Kaby Lake it will be integral to the SOC. To me this make more sense and the GPU will be that much more powerful to drive HiDPI displays effectively. The rMB is all about portability, I doubt Apple will add much to it other than TB3, as it`s really not needed.

Same as all it`s predecessor`s Apple will evolve the rMB to be computationally faster, equally it`s role will likely remain.

Q-6

 

[sunapple]

It baffles me every time when people are shouting "remove features Apple! I don't use them so remove them! Also my Macbook is always connected so remove the battery!"

Imagine what would happen if Apple made the Macbook 2mm larger (deeper) to accommodate two USB-C ports. Ive would have a fit, and after him half of this forum. "I will never buy this gigantic computer with too many ports I have to carry around!!!"

You don't get what I'm trying to say and none of the things you're saying are actually happening.

It's never been about what I want, I'm just trying to show you what Apple is thinking when they release something like the 12" MacBook.

 

[tubeexperience]

Troll much?

Nope.

 

[sunapple]

Nope.

One thing that has been bugging me the whole time was actually: what is a tubeexperience?

 

[adonis3k]

Love it, bring it on

 

[tubeexperience]

One thing that has been bugging me the whole time was actually: what is a tubeexperience?

A random username that's available.

 

[MrX8503]

It's thinner than the MacBook,...

Yes, but the Macbook tapers down to an edge. This makes the Spectre larger than the Macbook volumetrically.

but has Intel Core i5/i7 processor

Is impressive, but then again it does have two fans.

and three USB-Type C ports.

Larger foot print in the butt of the laptop. I do agree that Apple should fit more ports on the macbook somehow.

The keyboard also has more travel than does the one on the MacBook.

Yes it does because the Spectre laptop is thicker.

The body is made of aluminum and carbon fiber.

Not a fan of the hinge on the Spectre. The hinge on the Macbook is nearly invisible and is a unibody aluminum construction.

The design-feat on that is impressive.

What about the Spectre is a design feat? Apple created a new keyboard, new battery layout, new trackpad, in a fanless chassis.

 

[sunapple]

Yes, but the Macbook tapers down to an edge. This makes the Spectre larger than the Macbook volumetrically.


Is impressive, but then again it does have two fans.


Larger foot print in the butt of the laptop. I do agree that Apple should fit more ports on the macbook somehow.


Yes it does because the Spectre laptop is thicker.


Not a fan of the hinge on the Spectre. The hinge on the Macbook is nearly invisible and is a unibody aluminum construction.


What about the Spectre is a design feat? Apple created a new keyboard, new battery layout, new trackpad, in a fanless chassis.

The man doesn't really listen to reason, I tried, but I agree with your comment.

 

[tubeexperience]

Yes, but the Macbook tapers down to an edge. This makes the Spectre larger than the Macbook volumetrically.

Thickness is measured from the thickest point.

If you drive an 18-wheeler and see a low bridge, do you use the height of the hood to see if your 18-wheeler will fit under?

Is impressive, but then again it does have two fans.

No kidding! That's how it's able to cool a faster processor.

Larger foot print in the butt of the laptop. I do agree that Apple should fit more ports on the macbook somehow.

No duh!

Yes it does because the Spectre laptop is thicker.

No, it's not.

Not a fan of the hinge on the Spectre. The hinge on the Macbook is nearly invisible and is a unibody aluminum construction.

And?

What about the Spectre is a design feat? Apple created a new keyboard, new battery layout, new trackpad, in a fanless chassis.

Spectre has a powerful processor in a package thinner than a MacBook.

The keyboard in the MacBook is awful. I don't know what you called that.

The Spectre also has a new battery layout.

And obviously, the MacBook has no fan because it uses a fanless processor: real big achievement there!