HP Spectre 13.3 vs MacBook 12

[tubeexperience]

Wait for new rMBP this summer, they will blow thing windows thing out the window in 2 seconds.

The last time Apple has something "blow thing windows thing out the window in 2 seconds" Steve Jobs was still in charge of development.

Too bad windows10 is buggy.. OSX is way more polished these days

That's not remotely true. Windows 10 is not buggy at all.

I like OS X, but I do have to admit that the latest version of Windows is quite good.

 

[Marshall73]

The last time Apple has something "blow thing windows thing out the window in 2 seconds" Steve Jobs was still in charge of development.



That's not remotely true. Windows 10 is not buggy at all.

I like OS X, but I do have to admit that the latest version of Windows is quite good.

I'm sorry, I have to strongly disagree with your comment about Windows 10, just ask all of the users who have to hard reboot when they get stuck on a black login screen or how there is an endless stream up updates for bug fixes not to mention the audio bugs, one minute you have sound, the next nothing remove and reinstall the driver to fix we process a steady stream of bugs and system issues with Windows 10 through our help desk daily and don't even mention the surface pro dock issues with additional displays..

 

[tubeexperience]

I'm sorry, I have to strongly disagree with your comment about Windows 10, just ask all of the users who have to hard reboot when they get stuck on a black login screen or how there is an endless stream up updates for bug fixes not to mention the audio bugs, one minute you have sound, the next nothing remove and reinstall the driver to fix we process a steady stream of bugs and system issues with Windows 10 through our help desk daily and don't even mention the surface pro dock issues with additional displays..

Things are getting blow way out of proportion here.

I mean, how many percent of users have experience, for example, the "audio bugs" that you've mentioned?

I have a couple of computers running Windows 10 and I've never experienced the "audio bugs" that you've mentioned.

 

[Queen6]

That's not remotely true. Windows 10 is not buggy at all.

I like OS X, but I do have to admit that the latest version of Windows is quite good.

Agreed, I have had far more issue with 10.11 El Capitan than Windows 10, so much so that I am seriously considering moving all business related systems to Windows. Apple`s focus is IOS and associated devices, the Mac and OS X are very much secondary.

Q-6

 

[zoneee]

The last time Apple has something "blow thing windows thing out the window in 2 seconds" Steve Jobs was still in charge of development.

Im not gonna comment on the windows vs osx topic, but this summer both rMPR and rMP should be upgraded/redesigned, and going from osx to windows right not is not a smart choice. everyone should, if possible, wait and see the competition.
If forced to choose, i would still buy a rmbr for now anyway, that HP thing is ugly!

 

[electronicsguy]

The HP also has a dimmer screen, crappy colour contrast compared to the rMB, runs very hot on the base, weighs more than a 13" MacBook Air (let alone a 12" rMB), comes packed with HP bloatware, and its SSD read/write speeds doesn't touch any portable Mac.

Plus this is HP. They will always cut corners somewhere. There will be elements of the build quality and design that just won't be well thought out.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not the biggest fan of the Retina MacBook. But crumbs, HP's abysmal customer support alone would make me think very, very carefully about picking one of their machines over Apple.

why do people like you write your opinions trying to pass them off as facts? the laptop isn't even out yet. Unless you personally work in HP's tech dept., there's no way for you to know how good/bad the screen is, if it hasn't been mentioned in a public tech review (which it hasn't)
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3 USB-C seems a bit excessive. 2 is fine (so you can charge and use a device without a hub). I do wonder why HP didn't make one of them a Thunderbolt 3 port.

if only you'd learn to read before commenting.
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The 1080p screen is an immediate deal breaker. I will never use a non high-DPI display again, unless it's on a really large screen that is 27"+

high-DPI displays for a small sized screen like a laptop are useless. They're ok for large sized desktop monitors or a HDTV.

 

[KPOM]

why do people like you write your opinions trying to pass them off as facts? the laptop isn't even out yet. Unless you personally work in HP's tech dept., there's no way for you to know how good/bad the screen is, if it hasn't been mentioned in a public tech review (which it hasn't)
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if only you'd learn to read before commenting.
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high-DPI displays for a small sized screen like a laptop are useless. They're ok for large sized desktop monitors or a HDTV.

If only you'd learn to stop making snarky comments. The OP didn't mention Thunderbolt 3, and others informed me in a more polite matter.

 

[Nychot]

When the rmb came out it was the subject of much criticism, mainly too slow with the processor. The same criticism with the same processor was aimed at the lenovo yoga 3 pro. which is as thin, or thinner than the rmb, has a high res, screen equal to the rmb, is a 13.3 touch screen, has many ports, great backlit keyboard and wonderful trackpad, weighs just 2.6 lbs, and runs windows 10 flawlessly. The point I'm making is the rmb the way it now stands is generations behind the y3p. It was priced the same as the rmb when it was released. It's been revised as the lenovo yoga 900. But it can be bought now for $750. A great deal. I use both the rmb and the y3p, and its at least a tie, with the y3p quickly running ahead of the rmb as my fave.

 

[keysofanxiety]

Unless you personally work in HP's tech dept., there's no way for you to know how good/bad the screen is, if it hasn't been mentioned in a public tech review (which it hasn't)

But the specs have been released. The laptop has a 1920x1080 screen.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10224/hp-unveils-spectre-the-worlds-thinnest-laptop

I do agree though, it's best to wait until the laptop is properly released until we can truly judge its performance and build quality.

 

[KPOM]

When the rmb came out it was the subject of much criticism, mainly too slow with the processor. The same criticism with the same processor was aimed at the lenovo yoga 3 pro. which is as thin, or thinner than the rmb, has a high res, screen equal to the rmb, is a 13.3 touch screen, has many ports, great backlit keyboard and wonderful trackpad, weighs just 2.6 lbs, and runs windows 10 flawlessly. The point I'm making is the rmb the way it now stands is generations behind the y3p. It was priced the same as the rmb when it was released. It's been revised as the lenovo yoga 900. But it can be bought now for $750. A great deal. I use both the rmb and the y3p, and its at least a tie, with the y3p quickly running ahead of the rmb as my fave.

There's a big difference between 2.02 lbs and 2.6 lbs. Anyway, the rMB is likely to be refreshed soon, though it may not be until next year that Apple "mainstreams" it by lowering the price like it did with the MacBook Air in 2010.

 

[electronicsguy]

But the specs have been released. The laptop has a 1920x1080 screen.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10224/hp-unveils-spectre-the-worlds-thinnest-laptop

I do agree though, it's best to wait until the laptop is properly released until we can truly judge its performance and build quality.

sure, but as we botch can see, specs have been released only mentioning resolution. That doesn't necessarily correleate to contrast, max. brightness.
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If only you'd learn to stop making snarky comments. The OP didn't mention Thunderbolt 3, and others informed me in a more polite matter.

ya and you learn nothing from polite PC-ness.

 

[keysofanxiety]

sure, but as we botch can see, specs have been released only mentioning resolution. That doesn't necessarily correleate to contrast, max. brightness.

True, though a screen of that resolution in an HP laptop is not going to have better contrast/quality compared to a MacBook screen. It's just not. HP are historically junky when it comes to LCDs anyway. The fact it's not high resolution practically confirms this too.

 

[SteveJUAE]

True, though a screen of that resolution in an HP laptop is not going to have better contrast/quality compared to a MacBook screen. It's just not. HP are historically junky when it comes to LCDs anyway. The fact it's not high resolution practically confirms this too.

So does that make the MBA junky too LOL

Come on we concluded the Spectre was more in the range of a MBA 13 but with a better screen, lighter and thinner and USB-C etc ie more up to date

We are now throwing in the rMBP that cost $600 more, which you would expect a bit more than just a better screen for that delta.

This is a better indication how the MACS's have been allowed to slip, but not the price

 

[keysofanxiety]

So does that make the MBA junky too LOL

Compared to the MacBook? Yep, junky.

 

[SteveJUAE]

Compared to the MacBook? Yep, junky.

Well I hope using your measuring stick the new MAC's have something better than the current retina else they will be "junky" compared to other OEM's equivalents

 

[RUGGLES99]

There's a big difference between 2.02 lbs and 2.6 lbs. Anyway, the rMB is likely to be refreshed soon, though it may not be until next year that Apple "mainstreams" it by lowering the price like it did with the MacBook Air in 2010.

Sorry on paper there may be this VERY slight weight difference. but 36o degree yogastyle devices with touch screens must weigh a bit more, but when i hold my rmb in one hand and my y3p in the other, the rmb feelsslightly heavier. technologically, the y3p is far more advanced. ifand when the rmb is updated, it will need much more than a processor bump or another port to make it competitive with todays slim light brilliant windows machines like the y3p.

 

[electronicsguy]

True, though a screen of that resolution in an HP laptop is not going to have better contrast/quality compared to a MacBook screen. It's just not. HP are historically junky when it comes to LCDs anyway. The fact it's not high resolution practically confirms this too.

it may be true, but it doesn't "confirm" anything.

 

[KPOM]

Sorry on paper there may be this VERY slight weight difference. but 36o degree yogastyle devices with touch screens must weigh a bit more, but when i hold my rmb in one hand and my y3p in the other, the rmb feelsslightly heavier. technologically, the y3p is far more advanced. ifand when the rmb is updated, it will need much more than a processor bump or another port to make it competitive with todays slim light brilliant windows machines like the y3p.

The Yoga 3 900 you refer to starts at 2.8lbs, which is 40% heavier. The better comparison is to the 13" Retina MacBook (to which the Yoga fares favorably, albeit with only the 15W chip vs. the 28W chip in the rMBP). In any case, Macs aren't getting touch screens, and if Apple does use the Core i5/i7 chips it will be in the rumored larger MacBook models, not the 12", which I think is likely to use the Core M for quite a while.

 

[alex2792]

It's very well engineered because there's some innovation going on in that thing. The screen, trackpad, keyboard, battery, logic board and the one-port philosophy are next level (just look at all the conservative people hating it) and they are an indication of Apples future laptop lineup. It's pretty innovative IMO.

Uh, there's really nothing innovative about having one port, it's actually a huge PITA since you can't even charge the laptop while using a USB peripheral without an adapter.

 

[David58117]

Uh, there's really nothing innovative about having one port, it's actually a huge PITA since you can't even charge the laptop while using a USB peripheral without an adapter.

You can't do that with an iPad though, either.

The 12" rMB is essentially an iPad running full OS X, and with a keyboard.

At least, that's how I look at it.

 

[LCPepper]

The HP thing looks like cowpat... Don't know if I've already commented on this?

Haha.

Windows 10 is really good, and has come on leap and bounds. BUT it's undeniable that OS X remains the ultimate operating system.

 

[alex2792]

You can't do that with an iPad though, either.

The 12" rMB is essentially an iPad running full OS X, and with a keyboard.

At least, that's how I look at it.

But iPad is a toy, and is way cheaper, this is supposed to be a laptop. Even the battery life isn't great and it's WAY overpriced for what you get.

 

[e93to]

I gotta say the design of that HP notebook has grown on me. But if I were in the market for a windows notebook, I'd get an Alienware. That thing would feel like a real hardware prepared to do some heavy-duty gam... I mean work...

 

[Blaze4G]

I'm sorry, I have to strongly disagree with your comment about Windows 10, just ask all of the users who have to hard reboot when they get stuck on a black login screen or how there is an endless stream up updates for bug fixes not to mention the audio bugs, one minute you have sound, the next nothing remove and reinstall the driver to fix we process a steady stream of bugs and system issues with Windows 10 through our help desk daily and don't even mention the surface pro dock issues with additional displays..

I was nervous to upgrade to Windows 10. Finally did in December. I have yet to experience one problem. Literally zero issues. Never froze, no random bugs or issues. I use my laptop 12 hours a day, 6 days a week. YMMV though.

 

[David58117]

But iPad is a toy, and is way cheaper, this is supposed to be a laptop. Even the battery life isn't great and it's WAY overpriced for what you get.

I get about 8-9 hours of battery.

I work 12 hour shifts, use it pretty frequently, and don't take a charger. I have battery left afterwards.

If portability and fanless design isn't your top priority when buying something like the 12" rMB - you're barking up the wrong tree, and the errors on you.

That's like getting a 13" rMBP, and complaining it doesn't play the latest games on high settings with 60FPS..