No I don't but obviously someone needs to make printers even today
For the record, I just use my iPad for taking notes and reading purposes. As a college student, I guess I couldn't leave less carbon footprint
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No I don't but obviously someone needs to make printers even today
For the record, I just use my iPad for taking notes and reading purposes. As a college student, I guess I couldn't leave less carbon footprint
Since the mobile version won't run Win32 apps (only WinRT), Win8 is (more likely) going to be a fail.
Apple and Google both dominate this area.
MS might appeal to large companies with Active Directory (a pale copy of Novell's NDS, but that argument is oh-so-1994...), but most consumers want their angry birdies and already have it...
HP is a company of suits and conference tables. Innovation to them is a slight change in printer plastic color, or adjustments to ink jet nozzle diameters. Of course they would just buy an OS-they could never do one of their own.
They will fail spectacularly unless they just give away the forthcoming slabs of cheap plastic.
They will fail spectacularly unless they just give away the forthcoming slabs of cheap plastic.
Uh ? Are you really sure you want to go down this route ? Make this argument ?
I'm giving you a chance here. You do understand you're have to remove your foot from your mouth in about 3 seconds if you don't retrack that statement right ?
Hint : HP-UX, NeXTSTEP.
Hint: HP's consumer division isn't their server division. They aren't operated as an integrated division, instead as separated profit centers. After the failure of WebOS, it's even less likely that HP will put much effort creating their own OS for consumer products.
We know HP do nice servers, we know they can do all sorts of good things for enterprises. However those competencies mean little to most topics here in Macrumors unless we're talking about how Apple is using HP servers for their data centers, etc.
The comment made no such distinction and failed on the basis that Apple also acquired their OS, they didn't make it from scratch.
It failed on 2 fronts, you seem to have failed on 1 in your rash to again bash HP's consumer division.
Actually, I think that you got it backwards. (And you're missing the fact that WinRT is actually a Win32 app...)
People here have whined for years about how Microsoft was stupid for trying to run desktop apps on a tablet, and for using a desktop metaphor on a phone.
So Microsoft's reversed the situation - the desktop version can run Metro (WinRT) apps.
Think of the advantage of being able to write an app for a Windows phone or tablet, and easily run it on the pool of desktops!
And remember that Microsoft's in for the long game - it will be two years or so before enough desktops will have Win8 to make this a big factor. They know the first quarter's sales won't be fantastic, but they'll stick with it.
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Oh HP another Dell throw away as always. Enjoy it people because Win8 is turd dropping after using it for a month.
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Or maybe a Magic OS will work even better, and then that will not be enough so we can hope for Magic 2 OS that one will surely work. Hahahaha, its always the next big thing that will work.
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Or maybe a Magic OS will work even better, and then that will not be enough so we can hope for Magic 2 OS that one will surely work. Hahahaha, its always the next big thing that will work.
Lot of fanboyism and circlejerking going on here.
First of all, Windows 8 is actually a decent OS. I have the consumer preview running in Boot Camp and even in its current form it's usable and unique while still offering an experience users have gotten comfortable with over the years. I'm no Microsoft fan but their recent efforts have been big improvements from the days of Vista. Windows 8 is also more likely to take off on tablets because it's actually been built to work with them unlike previous versions of Windows.
Now as for HP particularly, it's quite understandable there's little confidence in the company given recent events, but when it comes to Windows devices, they've been doing those for years now. I don't see why this wouldn't be any different.
I see no reason why the HP Windows 8 tablets won't be a moderate success. They won't set the market on fire, but your Average Joe computer users will buy them for sure.
First of all, Windows 8 is actually a decent OS. I have the consumer preview running in Boot Camp and even in its current form it's usable and unique while still offering an experience users have gotten comfortable with over the years. I'm no Microsoft fan but their recent efforts have been big improvements from the days of Vista. Windows 8 is also more likely to take off on tablets because it's actually been built to work with them unlike previous versions of Windows.
Now as for HP particularly, it's quite understandable there's little confidence in the company given recent events, but when it comes to Windows devices, they've been doing those for years now. I don't see why this wouldn't be any different.
I see no reason why the HP Windows 8 tablets won't be a moderate success. They won't set the market on fire, but your Average Joe computer users will buy them for sure.
I don't know if they're targeting the average Joe. Consumers have already chosen Apple and to a lesser extent, Android and Kindle. Don't know if there's room for another. But the business world still hasn't chosen their tablet strategy. Yes, many are evaluating the iPad but that's because many consumers are bringing them into the office (BYOD). If Microsoft (and HP) can actually build a tablet/laptop combo that works, Enterprise might choose this as the ONE device they offer to their employees.
The same argument was made about the Iphone when it was announced - consumers had already chosen....
Apple's done OK, though.
Everyone enters this market to compete with Apple. Few pull it off and have to settle for being the 'best of the rest'. But it doesn't mean they aren't hoping to be the ones to take the market.
That said, they never will. Mainly because of Apple's proactive moves to prove the iPads value in various market. Especially education. What other company would have created tools etc to encourage teachers to write their own materials and then given those tools out for free. What other company would have created a free tool for managing multiple devices enough for a classroom set. How many would get textbook companies signed up to the idea of interactive textbooks at under $20 a copy before even mentioning such a thing to the schools and teachers.
And then there's encouraging companies to create their own internal apps as well as being willing to allow things like apps for Kindle etc despite having their own electronic book shop and app.
These are the sorts of things that Apple has done before anyone else thought of it and it's really pushed the iPad ahead of the game in mind share.
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it does look a bit 'childish' but considering how many folks out there are a bit on the idiot side when it comes to tech they would probably love an ultra simple UI.
So in that sense the move could be a win
You can tell I'm an adult possessing refined tastes and exquisite refinement because my UI of choice is slate grey. Those are growup colors.
Expensive is a relative thing. Look at what computers used to cost. When the form factor matures to a point where a two year old device doesn't feel crippled running the newest OS, that will help with the cost amortization. I don't think anyone should feel like they need the latest ipad to avoid feeling they've been left behind.
If you went solely by the narrative driven by this site, you'd probably think Samsung, Google, and Microsoft are months away from bankruptcy
.The comment made no such distinction and failed on the basis that Apple also acquired their OS, they didn't make it from scratch.
It failed on 2 fronts, you seem to have failed on 1 in your rash to again bash HP's consumer division.
Yet that's an attempt to win the argument on the semantics rather than the main point. The running theme in this thread is that HP - or HP's division that makes its tablets - aren't going to come up with their own OS be it their own creation from the scratch or acquiring someone else's. Thus HP's (again, we're talking about HP's consumer division here, not their server division) largely been relegated to being a generic OEM brand with often questionable quality, which is unfortunately true.
So the same then Applies to Apple, which has also acquired an OS. Are you sure you want to stand by that argument ?
And again, how do you know which HP division is going to make these tablets ? Weren't you the one claiming the Slate ended up as a business product ?
The point remains, HP as a company can make OSes and can buy OSes. Same for Apple. That fact, either buying or making your own, as no impact on your success and the argument and point made was completely wrong. The problem is the poster tried to bash HP and failed and now you're defending his failure of a point for him.
Why do you want to be on "that" side ?
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So when HP started doing Windows tablets, they were trying to compete with Apple, who didn't ship a tablet until some odd 6-7 years later ?
Oooook.
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If you went solely by the narrative driven by this site, you'd probably think Samsung, Google, and Microsoft are months away from bankruptcy
And that there were no tablets before iPad, no mp3 players before the iPod, no smartphones before the iPhone, no touchscreens until 2007, no Unix before 2001, no high resolution displays before iPhone 4, etc.. etc..
Oh, and that Apple makes all their stuff internally while other companies acquire externally.
Pretty much what you get out of this forum sometimes. Thank god some people are more lucid and know better.
I look forward to seeing what HP can do, and I'm glad they've gone with Windows 8 rather than Android. I think the success of Windows 8 tablets lies upon the platform offering consumers a good, complete package - at least for Windows users.
Apple currently offers a package (going beyond just the iPad) that is really more ideal for Mac users. I use iCloud on both my Mac and PC and the overall experience is significantly better on the Mac, so perhaps Microsoft might address that and offer consumers a solution where the PC is integrated just as well as the Mac is in Apple's solution.
Apple currently offers a package (going beyond just the iPad) that is really more ideal for Mac users. I use iCloud on both my Mac and PC and the overall experience is significantly better on the Mac, so perhaps Microsoft might address that and offer consumers a solution where the PC is integrated just as well as the Mac is in Apple's solution.
Great post as per usual.
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Well some other computer company is having intensive lessons the past couple of years but they don't seem to be attending at all. Oh wait, I said computer company, my bad.
Tell us about your Windows 8 tablet experiences. Which tablet are you using? What don't you like about it?
I have always wondered if HP discovered something in WebOS that made them drop it so fast. Something they didn't see being defendable in court.
Familiar, no. Ubiquitous, yes.
To be fair though I think Lion is a UI disaster of the first order. Unfortunately it looks like Snow Leopard only fixes a few of these issues.
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I have a Touchpad and love it. I wouldn't have spent $400 on it, but the $150 I paid is more than worthwhile.
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Just waiting for Cynogen to get Android working
Firewire started development in the mid 1980s. USB started development in 1994. That's not really "around the same time."
And Firewire is way more innovative than USB is. It was pretty much the primary driving force to invent LVDS (as a signaling method, not the LCD interconnect). It's just that all the innovative parts of it are completely unintelligible to people who arn't familiar with electrical engineering.
There was an interview long ago where an Intel engineer who worked on USB said something that stood out to me. It basically was that USB was a updated and formalized version of ADB. I can't find any sign of attribution since it was over a decade ago and not in print but I still see people repeat it periodically without citing a source.
I appreciate USB for its utility but that's about it. I appreciate Firewire for seriously driving innovation. Firewire raised the state of the art by a difference far beyond USB, PCI-X, and even Thunderbolt combined. Most people don't remember what interconnects were like back then in the 90s.
As for backlit keyboards, I'm fairly sure Compaq had a patent on one early design that ended up not being feasible. I'm guessing Apple's design works around problems with Compaq's design. (why else wouldn't Compaq have shipped them first?)
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Geez people... where do you think Asus got the idea from ?
True. Though the convertible idea predates both of them. Vadem Clio is one example. IBM and Toshiba may have each had one too, but I'm less certain about if and when.