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Wonder how Android fits into this

I wonder how Android fits into this. When Honeycomb launched you could install the Facebook app. It wasn't optimised for tablets but it worked. Then for no apparent reason it was no longer possible to install and then a few months latter it was again.
 
Some of you are missing the point, Jobs if he was mad was because Facebook leaned more towards a tablet that wasnt worth anything yet instead of showing any kind of support towards the already proven iPad.

Even if Hp was going the third party route, Facebook at the time gave Hp access to it's APIs, something they took away from Apple when they were going the third party route with a Facebook app.

Basically they took support from Apple and gave it to Hp. That's a slap in the face. I would mad too. We are Apple and you S*** on us like that?!!! Come on MAAAAAN!
 
If that's only fair I think both you and Jobs should grow up and realize that nothing automatically entitles you to use the kindergartens brand new model train set before anyone else.

So Jobs should instead just be happy for the competition? Get real, I'd be pissed too if I had the number one tablet on the market, and found out my competitor with little to no marketshare was getting a FaceBook app first.
 
Some of you are missing the point, Jobs if he was mad was because Facebook leaned more towards a tablet that wasnt worth anything yet instead of showing any kind of support towards the already proven iPad.

Even if Hp was going the third party route, Facebook at the time gave Hp access to it's APIs, something they took away from Apple when they were going the third party route with a Facebook app.

Basically they took support from Apple and gave it to Hp. That's a slap in the face. I would mad too. We are Apple and you S*** on us like that?!!! Come on MAAAAAN!

Sounds like that douchebag american UN representative who was (is?) always kicking and screaming in the assembly about how USA should get special treatment simply because it's the USA

So Jobs should instead just be happy for the competition? Get real, I'd be pissed too if I had the number one tablet on the market, and found out my competitor with little to no marketshare was getting a FaceBook app first.

Sure, I would question their business decision, but I wouldn't whine about it and view it as personal insult. HP had no marketshare at the time because they hadn't released it yet, no one knew what a failure it would become.
People, especially in the industry, like to believe that there is competition on equal grounds so alot of people believed in the Touchpad. But reality is that no one can compete with the hype that Apple, with alot of help from the press, has created around their toys.
 
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... And then Steve decided to call it quits.

The game's changed. Probably decided he couldn't deal with all these silly kids anymore.


I wonder how Android fits into this. When Honeycomb launched you could install the Facebook app. It wasn't optimised for tablets but it worked. Then for no apparent reason it was no longer possible to install and then a few months latter it was again.

Whhaaerrr... What does that have to do with anything? Go check androidrumors.com...

But reality is that no one can compete with the hype that Apple, with alot of help from the press, has created around their toys.

Yyyeah, that, and, the massively well thought out and seamlessly integrated ecosystem that they have been building for a decade.


That's right! Neg away a**holes!
 
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The relative net worth between the two is hardly a good measure of the quality of business man between the two.

We'll see how long Mark Z keeps his billions.

Mark is already giving his money away. He gave Newark public schools $100 million and has signed on with Gate' and Buffet's Giving Pledge. Not bad for a 26 year old.
 
Mark is already giving his money away. He gave Newark public schools $100 million and has signed on with Gate' and Buffet's Giving Pledge. Not bad for a 26 year old.

I'm not knocking Mark for that...but what does that have to do with whether Mark is a good business man? So far the guy has been lucky in my book. Time will tell with Facebook.

As for the kind of business leader that Mark is, from what I have seen personally. The guy has a lot to learn...
 
HP wrote the Facebook app for TouchPad, not Facebook. If Jobs really blew up over that, well... guy needs a slap. Seriously, how is Facebook supposed to stop a 3rd party from writing apps for a public service ? :rolleyes:

Not to worry - it's history.

We're in the post-Jobs era now.
 
I'm not knocking Mark for that...but what does that have to do with whether Mark is a good business man? So far the guy has been lucky in my book. Time will tell with Facebook.

As for the kind of business leader that Mark is, from what I have seen personally. The guy has a lot to learn...

He has been lucky, but so was Gates and Jobs and the others. They were in the right place at the right time but they all capitalized on their ideas. That is usually a common thread among the uber wealthy. Mark Z's success is far from just luck. As you said, time will tell how long he keeps or what he does business wise during his life. He does have a lot to learn, just as Steve and Bill did when they were in their 20's. Their business skills matured as they aged, maybe Mark's will too. Who knows?
 
The relative net worth between the two is hardly a good measure of the quality of business man between the two.

We'll see how long Mark Z keeps his billions.

Not to stray too far from the subject but also keep in mind that while Jobs is far from hurting financially, he was only collecting $1 per year from Apple.

"Being the richest man in the cemetery doesn’t matter to me … Going to bed at night saying we’ve done something wonderful… that’s what matters to me."

“You know, my main reaction to this money thing is that it’s humorous, all the attention to it, because it’s hardly the most insightful or valuable thing that’s happened to me.”


Sure, I would question their business decision, but I wouldn't whine about it and view it as personal insult. HP had no marketshare at the time because they hadn't released it yet, no one knew what a failure it would become. People, especially in the industry, like to believe that there is competition on equal grounds so alot of people believed in the Touchpad. But reality is that no one can compete with the hype that Apple, with alot of help from the press, has created around their toys.

Yeah but to be fair the iPad is a superior product to the TouchPad. I own both, and honestly, I'm about ready to sell my TouchPad, the quality of content that Apple has, is just not there.
 
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Google's privacy concerns seem like nothing compared to what facecrook does with a users personal info...
 
HP wrote the Facebook app for TouchPad, not Facebook. If Jobs really blew up over that, well... guy needs a slap. Seriously, how is Facebook supposed to stop a 3rd party from writing apps for a public service ? :rolleyes:

Do you seriously believe Facebook is a public service ?

Facebook has the legal right to keep any company from creating a Facebook app.
 
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All you mis-readers. 3rd party notwithstanding, Zuckerberg cleary had some element of control over the HP app when he advised they 'would' get the app pulled. Now that's got nothing to do about Jobs being 'livid' - that's not the point. It's about being promised ONE thing then and then finding out you've been duped. That's something to get miffed about!
 
Rest of the story aside, I don't buy that Jobs actually went to FB. The top dog doesn't leave his nest, you go to the top dog. Not only that, but I can't imagine Jobs even meeting with Zuck over something so stupid as an app. He has a lot of other folks in his org that can manage those conversations for Apple.

Agreed. I was suspicious when I heard that. Jobs himself would NEVER meet with a 27 year old lucky bastard.
As a matter of fact I don't believe a word of this story.
 
He has been lucky, but so was Gates and Jobs and the others. They were in the right place at the right time but they all capitalized on their ideas. That is usually a common thread among the uber wealthy. Mark Z's success is far from just luck. As you said, time will tell how long he keeps or what he does business wise during his life. He does have a lot to learn, just as Steve and Bill did when they were in their 20's. Their business skills matured as they aged, maybe Mark's will too. Who knows?

For sure you can say that Bill Gates and Steve Jobs got a lucky break to start. But thirty plus years later, and all of the products they have left behind them...that was not luck. And to simply call Steve Jobs a "lucky guy" is a gross over simplification.


Not to stray too far from the subject but also keep in mind that while Jobs is far from hurting financially, he was only collecting $1 per year from Apple.

"Being the richest man in the cemetery doesn’t matter to me … Going to bed at night saying we’ve done something wonderful… that’s what matters to me."

“You know, my main reaction to this money thing is that it’s humorous, all the attention to it, because it’s hardly the most insightful or valuable thing that’s happened to me.”

Yeah but to be fair the iPad is a superior product to the TouchPad. I own both, and honestly, I'm about ready to sell my TouchPad, the quality of content that Apple has, is just not there.

Well put and well said.

In my opinion, to get back to the thread, is to show the difference between two leaders of major tech companies and how this shows you Facebook, while they are the golden child right now, are really still quite sloppy.

If Facebook goes public I wonder how long it will be before Mark is gone....
 
Agreed. I was suspicious when I heard that. Jobs himself would NEVER meet with a 27 year old lucky bastard.
As a matter of fact I don't believe a word of this story.

Why not? Jobs was once a 27 year old luck bstd. Or do you think it would be beneath him?
 
I'm really questioning the validity of this article. But for humor's sake, let's assume it's accurate. Just another classless move by Zuk. I'm not surprised... after all, he takes after Bill Gates more than Jobs.

Aside from classless, it's also a pretty epic fail from a business standpoint. Apple is the biggest player in the tablet game. Scratch that... Apple is the game. Clearly he did not grasp or foresee how insignificant HP's role would be in the tablet market.

Even if the epic failure of the touchpad wasn't clearly evident at the time, you don't bet the house on something that hasn't even been released by a company that hasn't produced anything innovative in ages against the company that created the market. And for those that are comparing the two in terms of net worth... SJ should be worth $100 billion easy just based on Apple's worth, he just got screwed by some greedy and incompetent pigs some time ago.
 
Uh, with a 10" screen the iPad can browse the web normally... Why can't you just visit facebook.com on your iPad? Why do you need a special app?

dude, you're talking about apple and facebook! two attention whores where form trumps function, it ain't cool if there's no app for that.

two babies in a sandbox, waving look at me i'm cool; no, i'm cooler, says the other baby.
 
"Being the richest man in the cemetery doesn’t matter to me … Going to bed at night saying we’ve done something wonderful… that’s what matters to me."

Steve's not yet in the cemetery, but Apple's now becoming known for its propensity to litigate rather than innovate.

I wouldn't want to sleep on that....
 
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