HR Resting rate - Series 0

honglong1976

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I found this: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204666

"Apple Watch measures your heart rate throughout the day when you’re still, and periodically when you’re walking (Apple Watch Series 1 or later)."

So, the series 0 used to do this with OS3 but not any more with os4. If you have a series 0, cycle for 20 mins. No HR is recorded. With OS3 it was.

Kinda annoyed functionality has been taken away. Anyone else?
 

ftaok

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That isn't how I'm reading it. I think, perhaps, that they're saying the the S0 won't take your heart rate if you're moving vigorously enough to sense walking ... and the S1 and later do.

I don't think it's saying that the S0 won't check HR during a workout (including walking).

But I could be wrong as I don't have an S0 and don't know how and when the HR is taken.
 

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The S0 only took your Heart rate every 5 minutes. I don't believe it discerned resting or exercising.
 

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The S0 only took your Heart rate every 5 minutes. I don't believe it discerned resting or exercising.
It wasn't every 5 mins, it was anything from 1min to 15 mins and varied on what you did. When I cycled or run, without using the workout app, my HR was recorded. Now, any exercise, HR is not recorded unless I use the workout out. It obviously detects you are exercising and stops recording HR.

I will get some screenshots and post from WatchOS3 vs os4.
 

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those of us that remember back to the very early days of S0 will remember the heart rate monitor took a reading every 5 minutes. They then did an update in 1.1 or 1.2 that removed this.
 

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The S0 only took your Heart rate every 5 minutes. I don't believe it discerned resting or exercising.
It did, I quite often got a notification that I'd done 30 mins of exercise at work when I'd been particularly busy.
 

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Here is my HR data. Both days I cycled to work. Both days I wore my watch from 7.30am and cycled to work, both without using the exercise app. Watch OS 3 records HR data during that time. Watch OS 4 completing ignores my HR during cycling and only records my HR at 8.30 when I start work. So it must detect I have moved, which means a better resting HR and yet series 0 doesn't do it! ARGH!

WatchOS3
https://pixady.com/image/0b5l/


WatchOS4
https://pixady.com/image/0b5m/
 

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Greetings @honglong1976,

I also use a 1st generation Apple Watch.
It's still on watchOS 3.2.3 at the moment and I'm thinking of upgrading to watchOS 4.1 when it releases.

After finding your thread I decided to verify this for myself: I started walking at about 08:15, but HR data only resumes at 08:29.

IMG_0687.jpg


Was your Watch on 3.2.3 when it recorded your HR data?
Maybe you weren't cycling vigorously enough or there was some kind of detection error?
I have repeated this "experiment" for over a week and my HR data is never recorded. My iPhone is running 10.3.3.
 
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Here is my HR data. Both days I cycled to work. Both days I wore my watch from 7.30am and cycled to work, both without using the exercise app. Watch OS 3 records HR data during that time. Watch OS 4 completing ignores my HR during cycling and only records my HR at 8.30 when I start work. So it must detect I have moved, which means a better resting HR and yet series 0 doesn't do it! ARGH!

WatchOS3
https://pixady.com/image/0b5l/


WatchOS4
https://pixady.com/image/0b5m/
There is some inaccuracies in this thread. watchOS 1.0 allowed the S0 watch to record your heart rate once every 5 minutes whether you were active or not. watchOS 1.2 changed that to once every 10 minutes if you are still (no arm movement). watchOS 3 changed that to every 5 minutes if you are still (again, no arm movement). watchOS 4 treats the S0 the same as watchOS 3.

The fact that you are getting real time heart rate on your S0 watch WITHOUT running an exercise is the exception and not the rule. After 2.5 years of owning a S0 watch, it has never done what your first photo has shown unless you are running a workout. Apple's support site even states that. You only get real time heart rate when running a workout app. So what you are seeing in watchOS 4 is intended behavior for the S0. Even the S3 will not track your heart rate without running a workout, but merely track every 1-2 minutes depending on if you are resting or walking in order to establish those new graphs that iOS 11 has.

So what you are experiencing is intended behavior and what you had previously experienced was not. If you want your heart rate to be tracked fully, run a workout.
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Greetings @honglong1976,

I also use a 1st generation Apple Watch.
It's still on watchOS 3.2.3 at the moment and I'm thinking of upgrading to watchOS 4.1 when it releases.

After finding your thread I decided to verify this for myself: I started walking at about 08:15, but HR data only resumes at 08:29.

View attachment 725482


Was your Watch on 3.2.3 when it recorded your HR data?
Maybe you weren't cycling vigorously enough or there was some kind of detection error?
I have repeated this "experiment" for over a week and my HR data is never recorded. My iPhone is running 10.3.3.
As stated above. On an S0 watch, heart rate is ONLY recorded once every 5 minutes if you are stationary/still/no arm movement. Only the S1+ is capable of reading a heart rate while you are active UNLESS you are running a workout. I am going to assume its because of battery drain and the accuracy of the heart rate monitor. My S3 battery life lasts 5x longer than my S0, and my S3 is running the heart rate monitor practically all day.
 
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There is some inaccuracies in this thread. watchOS 1.0 allowed the S0 watch to record your heart rate once every 5 minutes whether you were active or not. watchOS 1.2 changed that to once every 10 minutes if you are still (no arm movement). watchOS 3 changed that to every 5 minutes if you are still (again, no arm movement). watchOS 4 treats the S0 the same as watchOS 3.

The fact that you are getting real time heart rate on your S0 watch WITHOUT running an exercise is the exception and not the rule. After 2.5 years of owning a S0 watch, it has never done what your first photo has shown unless you are running a workout. Apple's support site even states that. You only get real time heart rate when running a workout app. So what you are seeing in watchOS 4 is intended behavior for the S0. Even the S3 will not track your heart rate without running a workout, but merely track every 1-2 minutes depending on if you are resting or walking in order to establish those new graphs that iOS 11 has.

So what you are experiencing is intended behavior and what you had previously experienced was not. If you want your heart rate to be tracked fully, run a workout.
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As stated above. On an S0 watch, heart rate is ONLY recorded once every 5 minutes if you are stationary/still/no arm movement. Only the S1+ is capable of reading a heart rate while you are active UNLESS you are running a workout. I am going to assume its because of battery drain and the accuracy of the heart rate monitor. My S3 battery life lasts 5x longer than my S0, and my S3 is running the heart rate monitor practically all day.
My Series 0 always with WatchOS3 recorded my heart rate regardless of what I did. Drove, cycled, run, walked, etc. With WatchOS4 it doesn't. So Apple obviously changed the way that it records heart rates. It obviously detects I am cycling and stops recording the HR. If I am in the car driving, my HR is still recorded.

With WatchOS3 same with OS4, HR isn't recorded every 5 mins, but depending on movement and activity anywhere from 1 to 15 mins. WatchOS does the same. In health I have the following readings:

82 - 10:01
66 - 10:14 (13 mins later)
79 - 10:18 (4 mins later)

It's always done that.

As you can see from my photos, with WatchOS4 it is working different to WatchOS3.

Battery life still approx 2 days for me. So, if your battery lasts 5x longer, you must be getting 10 days out of your Apple Watch S3?
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Greetings @honglong1976,

I also use a 1st generation Apple Watch.
It's still on watchOS 3.2.3 at the moment and I'm thinking of upgrading to watchOS 4.1 when it releases.

After finding your thread I decided to verify this for myself: I started walking at about 08:15, but HR data only resumes at 08:29.

View attachment 725482


Was your Watch on 3.2.3 when it recorded your HR data?
Maybe you weren't cycling vigorously enough or there was some kind of detection error?
I have repeated this "experiment" for over a week and my HR data is never recorded. My iPhone is running 10.3.3.
Hi @1984power

HR was recorded while on the latest WatchOS3. With cycling HR was recorded. With WatchOS4. It doesn't record cycling. If I cycle for 40 mins, no HR is recorded for 40 mins. Apple obviously changed the way HR is recorded to WatchOS3. Battery life is the same, maybe it's to obtain a better resting rate reading? but S0 doesn't support that. Either way, annoying.
 

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HeartWatch scored a mention on 9to5mac for saving a man's life as it included heart rate alerts. I won't post the link here, but it was dated October 16.
 

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My Series 0 always with WatchOS3 recorded my heart rate regardless of what I did. Drove, cycled, run, walked, etc. With WatchOS4 it doesn't. So Apple obviously changed the way that it records heart rates. It obviously detects I am cycling and stops recording the HR. If I am in the car driving, my HR is still recorded.

With WatchOS3 same with OS4, HR isn't recorded every 5 mins, but depending on movement and activity anywhere from 1 to 15 mins. WatchOS does the same. In health I have the following readings:

82 - 10:01
66 - 10:14 (13 mins later)
79 - 10:18 (4 mins later)

It's always done that.

As you can see from my photos, with WatchOS4 it is working different to WatchOS3.

Battery life still approx 2 days for me. So, if your battery lasts 5x longer, you must be getting 10 days out of your Apple Watch S3?
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Hi @1984power

HR was recorded while on the latest WatchOS3. With cycling HR was recorded. With WatchOS4. It doesn't record cycling. If I cycle for 40 mins, no HR is recorded for 40 mins. Apple obviously changed the way HR is recorded to WatchOS3. Battery life is the same, maybe it's to obtain a better resting rate reading? but S0 doesn't support that. Either way, annoying.
And what I’m telling you is what you experienced in watchOS3 was not supposed to happen. It was probably a weird bug. My sister was able to play music through her S0 watch speaker. Something you are not supposed to be able to do, but it worked. The heart rate is NEVER supposed to record unless once every 5 minutes while still or when a workout is running. Contact Apple, they will tell you that. It’s all over the support articles and throughout this forum for the last 2.5 years. What your watch was doing was not what it should have been doing. How it is behaving now is 100% correct.
 

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And what I’m telling you is what you experienced in watchOS3 was not supposed to happen. It was probably a weird bug. My sister was able to play music through her S0 watch speaker. Something you are not supposed to be able to do, but it worked. The heart rate is NEVER supposed to record unless once every 5 minutes while still or when a workout is running. Contact Apple, they will tell you that. It’s all over the support articles and throughout this forum for the last 2.5 years. What your watch was doing was not what it should have been doing. How it is behaving now is 100% correct.
I know many people with an Apple Watch and HR is recorded anywhere from 1-15mins.

If it records every 5mins, please provide a source. No mention on the Apple website apart from HR recorded periodically.

Anyone else find this with their Apple Watch.

Sounds to me your have the only Apple Watch with 10 days battery and HR recorded religiously at 5min interviews.

Must be the Steve Jobs Apple Watch Edition :)
 

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I know many people with an Apple Watch and HR is recorded anywhere from 1-15mins.

If it records every 5mins, please provide a source. No mention on the Apple website apart from HR recorded periodically.

Anyone else find this with their Apple Watch.

Sounds to me your have the only Apple Watch with 10 days battery and HR recorded religiously at 5min interviews.

Must be the Steve Jobs Apple Watch Edition :)
For the third time, it records every 5 minutes if you are STILL, no arm movement. If there is arm movement, it will not record until you are still for 5 minutes. Thus giving you a window of 5minutes to 10 hours. As long as you are moving it will not record the heart rate.

I really don't understand your attitude. Its been this way since watchOS 1.1 and even others in this thread have said that. I now have to go through my 11,000 posts to find "evidence" for you. Apple updated their website after S3 was introduced, so now I need to find the pre-S3 website where is specifically stated every 5 minutes while still.

Here you go: http://www.zdnet.com/article/apple-watch-heart-rate-every-10-minutes-motion/
https://9to5mac.com/2015/05/30/apple-says-watch-os-1-0-1-attempts-to-record-heart-rate-every-ten-minutes-but-wont-if-arm-is-moving/

Apple's website no longer states this because it was updated, but thats the old language. In watchOS 1.0 it was once every 5 minutes, in watchOS 1.1 it became once every 10 minutes WHILE STILL, then in watchOS 3.0, it was changed back to once every 5 minutes WHILE STILL. Thats how it remains in watchOS 4.0 with the S0 watch.


Along with some fixes and improvements, the first Apple Watch software update also modifies the behavior of the device's heart rate monitor.

The change is not for the better according to some Apple Watch owners. Instead of capturing heart rate every 10 minutes, the Apple Watch won't do so if you're in motion.

Over the weekend, Apple updated its support page for how the watch measures your heart ratenotes 9to5 Mac. Here's the relevant text with emphasis added by me to show the change:

You can check your heart rate any time using the Heart Rate Glance. And when you're using the Workout app, Apple Watch measures your heart rate continuously during the workout. This information, as well as other data it collects, helps Apple Watch estimate how many calories you've burned. In addition, Apple Watch attempts to measure your heart rate every 10 minutes, but won't record it when you're in motion or your arm is moving. Apple Watch stores all your heart rate measurements in the Health app.

As noted, you can still use an Apple Watch to get your heart rate even when you're in motion. The Workout app will do just that.

But the all-day, continuous heart rate monitoring every 10 minutes that was an original feature of the watch? That's been ratcheted down for some reason.

https://blog.cardiogr.am/how-to-continuously-record-heart-rate-on-your-apple-watch-a01bbc93b6ad

By default, Apple Watch turns the heart rate sensor on every five minutes. But sometimes you want a higher-resolution glimpse into what your heart is telling you—for example, during a workout or a stressful meeting


If this isn't "proof" enough, then I can't help you. But I purchased my S0 launch day 2015, and I know exactly how it works after 2.5 years of every day use.

Oh and no where did I make any claim about battery life except that my S3 is 5x better than my S0. I would put my S0 on the dock after 18 hours with 20% remaining. My S3 has 80% remaining after 18 hours. Just because YOUR S0 lasts 2 days doesn't mean anyone else's does.
 
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For the third time, it records every 5 minutes if you are STILL, no arm movement. If there is arm movement, it will not record until you are still for 5 minutes. Thus giving you a window of 5minutes to 10 hours. As long as you are moving it will not record the heart rate.

I really don't understand your attitude. Its been this way since watchOS 1.1 and even others in this thread have said that. I now have to go through my 11,000 posts to find "evidence" for you. Apple updated their website after S3 was introduced, so now I need to find the pre-S3 website where is specifically stated every 5 minutes while still.

Here you go: http://www.zdnet.com/article/apple-watch-heart-rate-every-10-minutes-motion/
https://9to5mac.com/2015/05/30/apple-says-watch-os-1-0-1-attempts-to-record-heart-rate-every-ten-minutes-but-wont-if-arm-is-moving/

Apple's website no longer states this because it was updated, but thats the old language. In watchOS 1.0 it was once every 5 minutes, in watchOS 1.1 it became once every 10 minutes WHILE STILL, then in watchOS 3.0, it was changed back to once every 5 minutes WHILE STILL. Thats how it remains in watchOS 4.0 with the S0 watch.




https://blog.cardiogr.am/how-to-continuously-record-heart-rate-on-your-apple-watch-a01bbc93b6ad




If this isn't "proof" enough, then I can't help you. But I purchased my S0 launch day 2015, and I know exactly how it works after 2.5 years of every day use.

Oh and no where did I make any claim about battery life except that my S3 is 5x better than my S0. I would put my S0 on the dock after 18 hours with 20% remaining. My S3 has 80% remaining after 18 hours. Just because YOUR S0 lasts 2 days doesn't mean anyone else's does.
Take a photo of your HR from the health app.

Here is mine. One from a walk I did. No HR has been taken at all (watchos3 it would). And from yesterday. HR not every 5 mins.
 

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Take a photo of your HR from the health app.

Here is mine. One from a walk I did. No HR has been taken at all (watchos3 it would). And from yesterday. HR not every 5 mins.
Again, for now the 4th time. watchOS 3 was NOT supposed to do that. I will post a picture of both watchOS 3 and watchOS 4 from my S0 and you will see they are IDENTICAL. It is not supposed to take a heart rate when you are moving UNLESS you are running a workout.

watchOS 3.2.3
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watchOS 4.0
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Exactly the same. Once ever 5-15 minutes depending on if I was moving or not.

It is NEVER supposed to maintain a continuous heart rate unless a workout is running. Whether its the Apple workout app or a third party app.

Clearly your watch 3.2.3 was "special" and didn't follow the rules, but it is now following the rules in watchOS 4.0. It was never supposed to do what it did, so you got accustomed to something that it should not be doing, like my Sister's S0 playing music through the watch speaker. It wasn't supposed to do that, but it did because of a freak bug. But now you are on watchOS 4.0 and back to how it was designed. If you want your heart rate, just run a workout. Its not like thats not an option.
 

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@Mlrolling91 your right. Sometimes you can not convince peolpe no matter how hard you try.

Apple added the HR monitoring during ‚active‘ walks for S1 and above. Nothing was taken away from S0 with wOS4.
My watch S0 is as fast as it was before the update but there are others who like to disagree but that an other story.
 
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Again, for now the 4th time. watchOS 3 was NOT supposed to do that. I will post a picture of both watchOS 3 and watchOS 4 from my S0 and you will see they are IDENTICAL. It is not supposed to take a heart rate when you are moving UNLESS you are running a workout.

watchOS 3.2.3
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watchOS 4.0
View attachment 725849

Exactly the same. Once ever 5-15 minutes depending on if I was moving or not.

It is NEVER supposed to maintain a continuous heart rate unless a workout is running. Whether its the Apple workout app or a third party app.

Clearly your watch 3.2.3 was "special" and didn't follow the rules, but it is now following the rules in watchOS 4.0. It was never supposed to do what it did, so you got accustomed to something that it should not be doing, like my Sister's S0 playing music through the watch speaker. It wasn't supposed to do that, but it did because of a freak bug. But now you are on watchOS 4.0 and back to how it was designed. If you want your heart rate, just run a workout. Its not like thats not an option.
Thanks.

My argument was it doesn't record the HR every 5 mins but periodically from 1-15 mins. Which it has done from WatchOS3 to WatchOS4.

My screenshot posted originally showed this:

HR recorded at 8.35
HR recorded at 8.40 (5 mins later)
HR recorded at 8.41 (1 min later)
etc

https://pixady.com/image/0b5m/

It's like that all the time. HR recorded anywhere from 1 min to 15 mins. My friends apple watches do the same thing, so it's not isolated to my watch. I understand anywhere after 5 mins (13 mins for example due to movement) but recorded 1 min later or 3 mins later? Regardless of what you have read and Apple say (is there a source from Apple quoting readings are taken every 5 mins?), HR is being recorded at less than 5 mins intervals.

Also, with WatchOS3, not on my watch but anyone I know who had an Apple Watch, HR was recorded walking, running, cycling, etc. But with WatchOS4 it detects the movement and it isn't recorded. So I don't have a special isolated watch, it worked a particular way as it should. Apple obviously removed functionality (probably to encourage those with S0 to sell and upgrade).

I reported both to Apple already during WatchOS4 beta because the way it worked in WatchOS3 was better.
 

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Thanks.

My argument was it doesn't record the HR every 5 mins but periodically from 1-15 mins. Which it has done from WatchOS3 to WatchOS4.

My screenshot posted originally showed this:

HR recorded at 8.35
HR recorded at 8.40 (5 mins later)
HR recorded at 8.41 (1 min later)
etc

https://pixady.com/image/0b5m/

It's like that all the time. HR recorded anywhere from 1 min to 15 mins. My friends apple watches do the same thing, so it's not isolated to my watch. I understand anywhere after 5 mins (13 mins for example due to movement) but recorded 1 min later or 3 mins later? Regardless of what you have read and Apple say (is there a source from Apple quoting readings are taken every 5 mins?), HR is being recorded at less than 5 mins intervals.

Also, with WatchOS3, not on my watch but anyone I know who had an Apple Watch, HR was recorded walking, running, cycling, etc. But with WatchOS4 it detects the movement and it isn't recorded. So I don't have a special isolated watch, it worked a particular way as it should. Apple obviously removed functionality (probably to encourage those with S0 to sell and upgrade).

I reported both to Apple already during WatchOS4 beta because the way it worked in WatchOS3 was better.
I have a half dozen Apple Watch S0 in my family. Not a single one, not one, recorded heart rate while walking, running, cycling WITHOUT a work out running.

The reason why you see 1-3 minute intervals is the watch is detecting movement so it quickly takes a new reading because its assuming you won't be still anymore. This was added in watchOS 3.0, and was not part of watchOS 1.0-2.x.

At this point I cannot help you anymore. I have provided multiple sources and others have mentioned the same exact thing. What you are experiencing is not the rule, but an exception. No matter what I say won't change the fact that you experienced something you should not have experienced. So there is no point for me to keep repeating myself.

I want you to show proof that you actually had your heart rate recorded during various exercises while not running a workout in watchOS 3.x.x. I don't know how you could do that, but until I see proof that multiple watches exhibited this not intended behavior, its hard for me to believe it when I have 6 watches in my household that have never once done that.
 

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I have a half dozen Apple Watch S0 in my family. Not a single one, not one, recorded heart rate while walking, running, cycling WITHOUT a work out running.

The reason why you see 1-3 minute intervals is the watch is detecting movement so it quickly takes a new reading because its assuming you won't be still anymore. This was added in watchOS 3.0, and was not part of watchOS 1.0-2.x.

At this point I cannot help you anymore. I have provided multiple sources and others have mentioned the same exact thing. What you are experiencing is not the rule, but an exception. No matter what I say won't change the fact that you experienced something you should not have experienced. So there is no point for me to keep repeating myself.

I want you to show proof that you actually had your heart rate recorded during various exercises while not running a workout in watchOS 3.x.x. I don't know how you could do that, but until I see proof that multiple watches exhibited this not intended behavior, its hard for me to believe it when I have 6 watches in my household that have never once done that.
Thanks.

All your sources are either old or third party, not Apple. I haven't seen once reliable source from Apple confirming this. So, I had a look myself. Contact Apple? sure, speak to a support guy who will confirm anything you say so you hang up!

Here is the HR information direct from Apple (and the most accurate so far): via http://web.archive.org/web/20150415000000*/https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT204666

2015
Apple Watch attempts to measure your heart rate every 10 minutes, but won't record it when you're in motion or your arm is moving. (every 10 mins).

2016
Apple Watch only takes this background reading when you're still, the time between these measurements will vary. (no mention of time, so assuming periodically).

2017
Apple Watch measures your heart rate throughout the day when you’re still, and periodically when you’re walking (Apple Watch Series 1 or later) (again, no mention of time).

As mentioned previously, it didn't act like this in WatchOS3 and it was reported to Apple. I am guessing I am not the only owner of an S0 that worked this way (my friends) and those other S0's out there. Strange that the S1 and above now act like my S0 used to. Apple obviously changed functionality but we can't prove or disprove that. You have a household with AW out of millions sold and the same for me.

So far you said and I quote:
5 or 15 mins?
"For the third time, it records every 5 minutes if you are STILL"
"Exactly the same. Once ever 5-15 minutes depending on if I was moving or not"

5x battery life?
"Oh and no where did I make any claim about battery life except that my S3 is 5x better than my S0"
"My S3 battery life lasts 5x longer than my S0"

my point exactly
"Just because YOUR S0 lasts 2 days doesn't mean anyone else's does."
exactly, just because your apple watch didn't record any HR during movement (which mine did as shown by my heath screenshots) doesn't mean that anyone else's does

"Not a single one, not one, recorded heart rate while walking, running, cycling WITHOUT a work out running."
That's it then, you have the watches used by Apple as THE benchmark for how they should function. Unfortunately, mine and my friends AW worked in a different way and it got reported to Apple.

"until I see proof that multiple watches exhibited this not intended behavior, its hard for me to believe it"
Yes, I am making it all up! ? Seriously, I used an AW Sports and it recorded my HR when cycling to work, SS S0, exactly the same. Same for walking and running. I only noticed after cycling to work after updating to WatchOS4 and thought, where's all my HR readings gone.
 
Things got a little heated in here but let me do my best to throw in my 2 cents.

I found this: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204666

"Apple Watch measures your heart rate throughout the day when you’re still, and periodically when you’re walking (Apple Watch Series 1 or later)."

So, the series 0 used to do this with OS3 but not any more with os4. If you have a series 0, cycle for 20 mins. No HR is recorded. With OS3 it was.

Kinda annoyed functionality has been taken away. Anyone else?
I think your kind of mis-interpreting this. Previously Apple watch used to only record HR when you are still. Now they are adding a couple of measurements: "resting HR" (i.e. no movement within 5 minutes, will also give you alerts if you HR goes above 100 during this type of reading) and "walking HR" (will occasionally check HR during walking detected movement and will categorize this separately). Whether it's a h/w or merely s/w limitation these new type of readings are series 1 and up only.

Here is the HR information direct from Apple (and the most accurate so far): via http://web.archive.org/web/20150415000000*/https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT204666

2015
Apple Watch attempts to measure your heart rate every 10 minutes, but won't record it when you're in motion or your arm is moving. (every 10 mins).

2016
Apple Watch only takes this background reading when you're still, the time between these measurements will vary. (no mention of time, so assuming periodically).

2017
Apple Watch measures your heart rate throughout the day when you’re still, and periodically when you’re walking (Apple Watch Series 1 or later) (again, no mention of time).
Can't you see you just disproved yourself? In the Apple links you supplied from 2015 and 2016 it is ONLY supposed to record HR when you are still. Now in 2017 Apple has added a walking HR category for series 1 and up. It's as simple as that. Yes I understand in your experience your functionality has changed, but I think this is actually Apple improving their implementation. Not a bug.

For what it's worth, I prefer it how it is. I don't want my HR calculated when I'm running or biking unless I activated a workout. I used HeartWatch to check all my data, and I would hate to have a bunch of 100+bmp readings for a bike ride that screw up all the metrics for my "normal HR". so for you I have 2 questions 1) Why are you so desperate to have this HR recorded during your bike ride 2) Why don't you just record a biking working to/from work?
 
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Things got a little heated in here but let me do my best to throw in my 2 cents.



I think your kind of mis-interpreting this. Previously Apple watch used to only record HR when you are still. Now they are adding a couple of measurements: "resting HR" (i.e. no movement within 5 minutes, will also give you alerts if you HR goes above 100 during this type of reading) and "walking HR" (will occasionally check HR during walking detected movement and will categorize this separately). Whether it's a h/w or merely s/w limitation these new type of readings are series 1 and up only.



Can't you see you just disproved yourself? In the Apple links you supplied from 2015 and 2016 it is ONLY supposed to record HR when you are still. Now in 2017 Apple has added a walking HR category for series 1 and up. It's as simple as that. Yes I understand in your experience your functionality has changed, but I think this is actually Apple improving their implementation. Not a bug.

For what it's worth, I prefer it how it is. I don't want my HR calculated when I'm running or biking unless I activated a workout. I used HeartWatch to check all my data, and I would hate to have a bunch of 100+bmp readings for a bike ride that screw up all the metrics for my "normal HR". so for you I have 2 questions 1) Why are you so desperate to have this HR recorded during your bike ride 2) Why don't you just record a biking working to/from work?
Mlrollin91 - his argument was HR is recorded every 5 mins and HR data is not collected when performing an activity (and the 6x battery life claim! haha).

My argument is HR is recorded anything from 1 min to 15 mins (not every 5 mins, although there is only a mention of 10 mins in 2015 and no mention of time after that via Apple support docs). I understand how the HR should work but on my watch and those I know it doesn't act as Apple suggested. With OS3, HR wasn't just recorded during no movement but also during movement. I suspect more are doing the same thing (there are millions out there). So, it's either by design or a bug. As mentioned I reported to Apple.

I showed evidence of the HR rates during cycling with WatchOS3 vs 4. I showed HR rates with reading from 1-15 min readings, which were emailed to Apple as part of the beta.

I would rather it work as it did in WatchOS3 due to the battery hit running a workout.

Again, I suspect Apple dropped this feature to push S0 owners towards a newer Apple Watch. I emailed Apple about it already.

That's all my argument was and still is!

That's all! :)

Lot easier when I had a Fitbit Blaze. Records the HR 24/7 every second! :)
 
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You have completely mischaracaterized my argument. No wonder I didn’t get anywhere. You cherry picked what you wanted to hear and ignored what you didn’t.

And once again, you are misrepresenting my battery life claim. Kind of sad you have such an attitude when people are trying to help you. There are 5+ battery life threads. You will see that people are getting 3+ days of battery life with their S3 when they only got 15-16 hours with their S0.

Once again you argument is wrong. S0 NEVER recorded cycling without a workout running. Just call Apple. They will tell you that. Everyone here will tell you that.

@Julien and I have had our arguments, but he will tell you for a fact heart rate is only recorded for activities when a workout is running. It’s in Apples workout support document.


Apples watchOS3 support article before it was updated in watchOS 4.

http://web.archive.org/web/20170814023335/https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT204517

“if you need both hands while walking, for example to push a stroller, you can still earn Exercise credit by using the Workout app. The Activity app relies on arm motion and an accelerometer to track movement, but the Workout app can use the accelerometer, a heart rate sensor, and the GPS on your iPhone if you carry it with you.Open the Workout app on your Apple Watch, tap Outdoor Walk, and bring your iPhone on the walk."


You will only EVER get a continuous heart rate with the workout app. It’s always been that way and will always be that way.


Thank you for posting the webarchive link, because the third sentence in the 6/21/17 update (most recent) of the heart rate support page completely disproves your point.

"When you use the Workout app, Apple Watch measures your heart rate continuously during the workout."


 
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You have completely mischaracaterized my argument. No wonder I didn’t get anywhere. You cherry picked what you wanted to hear and ignored what you didn’t.

And once again, you are misrepresenting my battery life claim. Kind of sad you have such an attitude when people are trying to help you. There are 5+ battery life threads. You will see that people are getting 3+ days of battery life with their S3 when they only got 15-16 hours with their S0.

Once again you argument is wrong. S0 NEVER recorded cycling without a workout running. Just call Apple. They will tell you that. Everyone here will tell you that.

@Julien and I have had our arguments, but he will tell you for a fact heart rate is only recorded for activities when a workout is running. It’s in Apples workout support document.


Apples watchOS3 support article before it was updated in watchOS 4.

http://web.archive.org/web/20170814023335/https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT204517

“if you need both hands while walking, for example to push a stroller, you can still earn Exercise credit by using the Workout app. The Activity app relies on arm motion and an accelerometer to track movement, but the Workout app can use the accelerometer, a heart rate sensor, and the GPS on your iPhone if you carry it with you.Open the Workout app on your Apple Watch, tap Outdoor Walk, and bring your iPhone on the walk."


You will only EVER get a continuous heart rate with the workout app. It’s always been that way and will always be that way.


Thank you for posting the webarchive link, because the third sentence in the 4/12/17 update (most recent) of the heart rate support page completely disproves your point.

"When you use the Workout app, Apple Watch measures your heart rate continuously during the workout."

:)

I am not saying my HR is recorded continuously. I understand that is done via the workout app.

My argument is HR is recorded anything from 1 min to 15 mins (not every 5 mins, although there is only a mention of 10 mins in 2015 and no mention of time after that via Apple support docs). I understand it's not supposed to record based on movement but it did (as per my provided screenshots of watchOS3 and os4). That's why I mentioned, it has been reported to Apple.

This happened on not just the two apple watches I had but also those of my friends and work colleagues. Again, which is why I reported to Apple.

To be honest you did claim:
Mlrollin91 - "Oh and no where did I make any claim about battery life except that my S3 is 5x better than my S0"
Mlrollin91 - "My S3 battery life lasts 5x longer than my S0"

I have 2 years worth of data in health showing HR recorded as I cycle to work without using the workout app.

"Once again you argument is wrong. S0 NEVER recorded cycling without a workout running"

So, because it doesn't happen on your watch, it's impossible to happen on someone else's watch? (this happened on two watches I owned) and those of colleagues. Again, I reported it to Apple.

:)