HTC Cites Patents Obtained From Google in New Lawsuit Against Apple

[spazzcat]

So HTC rips you off less ?

I have never once felt ripped off by buying Apple. And Apple is making more off of a phone that is 18 months old. The only way that can happen is if they are still selling a lot of phones...

I should also add that the iPhone is the first smartphone I truly use all the time. I had smartphones and PDAs before the iPhone and they always were a waste of money...

 

[KnightWRX]

The whole Google copying the iPhone thing, give it away, then at first let the manufactures out to dry, thing sounds pretty evil to me.

What did Google copy off the iPhone, gave away ? And when did Google let the manufacturers out to dry ?

Seems to me they are helping HTC here. And it seems to me you don't quite understand what Google makes and "gives" away if you think it's an iPhone copy.

I hope Google at least gets nailed to the wall for ripping off Java without a license.

What part of Java did Google rip off without a license ?

I think you should read up on the Oracle case. That one is going very badly for Oracle.

I have never once felt ripped off by buying Apple. And Apple is making more off of a phone that is 18 months old. The only way that can happen is if they are still selling a lot of phones...

Or sells phone at a higher profit margin, which means they pocket more money per device. IE : make you pay more in pure profit to them.

I'm still waiting to see what you thought of the HTC ChaCha.

 

[shompa]

2 more Android vendors buys protection from MSTF:
http://allthingsd.com/20110908/micr...its-do-not-sue-list/?reflink=ATD_yahoo_ticker

Now 8 Android vendors pays MSFT protection.

I think its great that Google finally starts to help its vendors.
They do it in a fun way: Google buys different patents and gives to HTC.

Why can't Google invent something them self?

 

[DeathChill]

No, Jobs' main beef was that he thought Apple had a patent on multitouch itself and that Google violated it. He was, of course, misinformed.

Have any sources on this or did you just make it up?

KnightWRX, I don't understand why you keep trotting out current Android phones that resemble a Blackberry. That is irrelevant to what people are talking about. Google was developing Android to run on hardware closer to the Blackberry than the iPhone but switched gears to devices similar to the iPhone. Just look at the phones that Google considers developer phones: Nexus One and the Nexus S. Those look nothing like a Blackberry and to suggest Google isn't specifically developing with that device type is silly. Of course Android can run on tons of hardware but to pretend that they aren't doing so with the iPhone style platform at the forefront is craziness.

 

[voonyx]

Again for the people just tuning in : Android is an operating system, a piece of software. iPhone is a mobile handset, a piece of hardware.

Android is not a copy of the iPhone. That would be like saying Photoshop is a copy of a Logitech mouse.

What's the point of this? Isn't it obvious he's talking about the software and not comparing a phone to iOS?

 

[spazzcat]

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Or sells phone at a higher profit margin, which means they pocket more money per device. IE : make you pay more in pure profit to them.

I'm still waiting to see what you thought of the HTC ChaCha.

Profit margin, you can only get a higher one on something people want to buy. The HTC ChaCha phone looks like a blackberry what is there to say? Not sure how that didn't prove my point. OK, so Google didn't copy Apple, everyone else rushed to copy Apple after the iPhone. And before the iPhone everyone was rushing to copy Blackberry. And before they they were copying the Razr. Now, what if HTC and others are forced to start coming up with their own ideas, and forced to stop copying, that would truely be a win for everyone...

 

[voonyx]

I'll try to remember that next time I read a story about apple employees fourfold cops showing up to a private citizens home accusing them of stealing a phone based on nothing more than the gps coordinates from a phone.

Just make sure you also remember that the private citizen said "Come on in guys"...people here so silly its laughable.

I bet people like you think Apple showed up in black suits and sunglasses, ransacked the guys house and left him in the corner rocking back and forth saying "why?!!! why!!!??"

 

[apolloa]

Last time I checked Apple was still making more money then another phone maker. Which is the goal of any business. So I would say they are ahead and ahead by a lot. Apple is not trying to complete with the free phone or the cheap phone. What they don't want is their IP being used in the cheap or free phones. It will be up to the courts to validate Apple's IP claims. There are a lot of ways this could go, Apple and HTC both could win and there would be a force compromise or one of them will lose.

Hmm, well LG thought Apple ripped them off, and rightly so too..

http://news.softpedia.com/news/LG-To-Sue-Apple-Over-The-iPhone-As-Well-45511.shtml

A cheap free phone with the same look OS as the iPhone..

 

[KnightWRX]

What's the point of this? Isn't it obvious he's talking about the software and not comparing a phone to iOS?

If he is, I'd like to know what part of Android he feels is copied from iOS.

KnightWRX, I don't understand why you keep trotting out current Android phones that resemble a Blackberry. That is irrelevant to what people are talking about. Google was developing Android to run on hardware closer to the Blackberry than the iPhone but switched gears to devices similar to the iPhone.

I think you just contradicted yourself here and proven why my pointing out things like the Motorola Charm and HTC ChaCha is quite relevant.

Google never switched gears. They have been making a mobile Operating System all this time. The fact is, Android still runs on those "Blackberry" phones. Android is just a piece of software that is made to run on a variety of hardware form factors.

A factoid a lot of people here tend to ignore in their haste to join the "copying" bandwagon.

The HTC ChaCha phone looks like a blackberry what is there to say? Not sure how that didn't prove my point. OK, so Google didn't copy Apple, everyone else rushed to copy Apple after the iPhone.

What about my earlier SE P800 shot then ? Grid of icons, full screen on the front, touch based input (resistive screen with stylus, we're talking about 2002 here).

The iPhone was not invented in a vaccuum, people need to realise this if we're ever to have meaningful conversations on here.

Google buys different patents and gives to HTC.

Why can't Google invent something them self?

Tell me you'd be as critical of Apple buying patents. Please.

 

[spazzcat]

If he is, I'd like to know what part of Android he feels is copied from iOS.

Andriod has always felt like a bad copy of iOS.

 

[Oletros]

The HTC ChaCha phone looks like a blackberry what is there to say? Not sure how that didn't prove my point. OK, so Google didn't copy Apple, everyone else rushed to copy Apple after the iPhone. And before the iPhone everyone was rushing to copy Blackberry. And before they they were copying the Razr. Now, what if HTC and others are forced to start coming up with their own ideas, and forced to stop copying, that would truely be a win for everyone...

If you say HTC has been copying and didn't had any idea you're showing that you don't know nothing about HTC smartphones, from the present and from before the iPhone.

But yes, is a fact that everybody has copied the iPhone, including LG with their Prada

 

[apolloa]

But yes, is a fact that everybody has copied the iPhone, including LG with their Prada

Was that sarcasm?

 

[KnightWRX]

Andriod has always felt like a bad copy of iOS.

Which parts ? The widgets ? The multi-tasking ? The notifications ? The "virtual desktops" ? The dialer ?

Give us a few choice quips here. You're just repeating the bandwagon's mantra. What do you feel Android copied from iOS ?

 

[Oletros]

Andriod has always felt like a bad copy of iOS.

Exactly why and what parts?

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Was that sarcasm?

Yap

 

[spazzcat]

If he is, I'd like to know what part of Android he feels is copied from iOS.



I think you just contradicted yourself here and proven why my pointing out things like the Motorola Charm and HTC ChaCha is quite relevant.

Google never switched gears. They have been making a mobile Operating System all this time. The fact is, Android still runs on those "Blackberry" phones. Android is just a piece of software that is made to run on a variety of hardware form factors.

A factoid a lot of people here tend to ignore in their haste to join the "copying" bandwagon.



What about my earlier SE P800 shot then ? Grid of icons, full screen on the front, touch based input (resistive screen with stylus, we're talking about 2002 here).

The iPhone was not invented in a vaccuum, people need to realise this if we're ever to have meaningful conversations on here.



Tell me you'd be as critical of Apple buying patents. Please.

Reistive screen with stylus is not a samething as a multi-touch screen not even close. And I know that Apple bought the patents for multi-touch. And I have never once said others are not allowed to sue over their IP. That is the whole point of having IP. However, Apple does not play around, they patent everything they do and will sue you. If Apple copies you and you don't sue, you just lost your IP.

 

[D4F]

Which parts ? The widgets ? The multi-tasking ? The notifications ? The "virtual desktops" ? The dialer ?

Give us a few choice quips here. You're just repeating the bandwagon's mantra. What do you feel Android copied from iOS ?

I wonder why you even try to talk with concrete blocks...

 

[DeathChill]

Sorry for not quoting but I'm on my phone at work.

I don't understand your thought process KnightWRX. Being able to run on a variety of hardware platforms does not mean that Google isn't developing it with a certain device style in mind (Nexus One & Nexus S). Google provides hardware agnostic code but it is up to the companies to get it working on their specific device platform. Just like Google built Honeycomb using the Xoom as their reference platform they do the same with the Nexus devices.

That information that leaked yesterday even pointed out that companies that followed Google's desired platform specs got earlier access to Android. Sure sounds like they're developing with an idea in mind on the hardware they wish to see.

 

[Oletros]

Sorry for not quoting but I'm on my phone at work.

I don't understand your thought process KnightWRX. Being able to run on a variety of hardware platforms does not mean that Google isn't developing it with a certain device style in mind (Nexus One & Nexus S). Google provides hardware agnostic code but it is up to the companies to get it working on their specific device platform. Just like Google built Honeycomb using the Xoom as their reference platform they do the same with the Nexus devices.

That information that leaked yesterday even pointed out that companies that followed Google's desired platform specs got earlier access to Android. Sure sounds like they're developing with an idea in mind on the hardware they wish to see.

Yap, because they copied the iPhone the first developer device was the G1 which even didn't had a virtual keyboard and was a physical keyboard.

 

[KnightWRX]

Reistive screen with stylus is not a samething as a multi-touch screen not even close.

Neither is wool the same as linen, yet both can be used to make clothing. The fact is, the "iPhone" form factor is not even original to the iPhone. It existed prior. Are you saying the P Series or Treo had nothing to do with Apple's choice of a form factor for the iPhone ?

And I know that Apple bought the patents for multi-touch.

When did they buy this non-existant set of patents ? There is no broad patent over multi-touch and Apple's acquisition of Fingerworks has nothing to do with touch screens.

And I have never once said others are not allowed to sue over their IP. That is the whole point of having IP. However, Apple does not play around, they patent everything they do and will sue you.

Does not answer my question about what you think Android copied from iOS.

If Apple copies you and you don't sue, you just lost your IP.

Only if you're referring to trademarks. Patents are not lost for not being enforced.

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I don't understand your thought process KnightWRX.

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Google provides hardware agnostic code but it is up to the companies to get it working on their specific device platform.

Seems you get my thought process quite well to me.

 

[spazzcat]

Which parts ? The widgets ? The multi-tasking ? The notifications ? The "virtual desktops" ? The dialer ?

Give us a few choice quips here. You're just repeating the bandwagon's mantra. What do you feel Android copied from iOS ?

Most of the UI is a bad copy. And everything you listed where is the invitation? Multi-tasking comes right from a desktop OS and can be hugh battery drain. I see it all the time when family members phones died way too soon in the day. Apple looked at a phone a realized you don't need every app running like it's the active app. They broke apps down in to services and you quickly see only parts of some apps need to run all the time others can be paused. Notifications who did them first? I don't remember ever having apps on my phone communicate with me without them running, before Apple did. Who did them way the Goggle does them now first, Andriod or WebOS? Widgets another thing that came from a desktop OS nothing new. Virtual Desktop, sounds like spaces in OS X?

 

[KnightWRX]

Most of the UI is a bad copy.

Which parts ? The Application launcher ? The customizable desktops with widgets ? The notification center ? The settings UI ? The phone dialer ? The task manager ?

Please. Some meat.

And everything you listed where is the invitation? Multi-tasking comes right from a desktop OS and can be hugh battery drain. I see it all the time when family members phones died way too soon in the day.

Invitation ?

Multi-tasking on Android is no more a battery drain than Multi-tasking on iOS. In fact, my iPhone has severe battery problems if I only leave Skype open.

Apple looked at a phone a realized you don't need every app running like it's the active app.

Yep, that's why I like to be able to choose which app that is. Unfortunately, not something Apple's poor implementation of a task manager lets me do. It's one of my beefs with iOS.

You still have no provided one example of copying aside from a vague "the UI".

 

[Oletros]

Apple looked at a phone a realized you don't need every app running like it's the active app. They broke apps down in to services and you quickly see only parts of some apps need to run all the time others can be paused.

If you knew something about Android you would knew that multitasking on Android works exactly like this

Notifications who did them first? I don't remember ever having apps on my phone communicate with me without them running, before Apple did. Who did them way the Goggle does them now first, Andriod or WebOS?

Android did them first.

And if you diddn't remember having apps withouth them running bedore Apple did anly shows that you don't know it was done before, not that none did it before.

So, you haven't said nothing about what Android copied from iOS, you only has shown that you must inform better.

 

[spazzcat]

If you knew something about Android you would knew that multitasking on Android works exactly like this




Android did them first.

And if you diddn't remember having apps withouth them running bedore Apple did anly shows that you don't know it was done before, not that none did it before.

So, you haven't said nothing about what Android copied from iOS, you only has shown that you must inform better.

Notications were a work around until Apple could build good model for muti-tasking. And they took off.

 

[DeathChill]

You can think however you wish, but you clearly edited out all the strong points I made. Being hardware agnostic does not mean that Google isn't developing for a certain platform, it simply means it does not require exact specific hardware. Hence why Android phones come with a variety of CPU's & GPU's.

What do you say about the fact that Google used the Xoom and uses the Nexus devices as reference platforms for building Android and as developer devices?

 

[Oletros]

Notications were a work around until Apple could build good model for muti-tasking. And they took off.

Yes, I know that notifications were a workaraund for Apple, but what has to do with Android notifications?