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HTC Cites Patents Obtained From Google in New Lawsuit Against Apple
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Chaz, you know that with some people here, no matter what Google does it will be bad and no matter what Apple does it will be good. That's what we get now that Steve declared "Google" the "ennemy". Remember back when Google was cool and loved because Eric was on board with Apple and the iPhone had these great Google apps to help launch it ? (Maps, Youtube, etc...).
Don't let it get to you.
Yes, by definition, IP only firms are what we refer to as patent trolls. They bring nothing to the table but litigation and live off licensing fees and court damages. Anyone claiming either HTC or Apple as being trolls are wrong (not saying you don't know this).
HTC and Apple both live off their great products, be it hardware or software (HTC makes the good HTC Sense UI for Android and for Windows Mobile back in the days). Neither are trolls, both are "defending their IP" here. HTC just needed a few more bullets to help defend their stuff from Apple's onslaught.
Taking sides in all of this is quite ridiculous. These big corporations don't care what side you're on. In the end, this just ends up driving prices up in the market, no matter who sues and who gets sued and it harms us all.
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If it was up to Google there wouldnt be any law suits to begin with. As such, the pansies here, if any, is Apple. After all, they are the ones targetting the proxies rather than the core.
perhaps you should write an email to Cook, demanding that he attacks Google! CH-AAararaRgh!
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The researchers new perfectly well what they had though. And, even so, that doesn't change anything. Bottomline is his point stands. Further, one could argue that Apple do not know what they have either, and that their GUI are horrendous too compared with say, Samsung.
...personally, i wouldnt call it horrendous though i do find it bleak in comparison with its competition.
As clarified in the thread regarding the inclusion of a Win Store in W8, Apple did not - by any standards - invent the app store, or any app store for that matter. Further, by definition, they did not invent any ecosystem. They did, however, also much thanks to the jailbreaking seen, through orchestration manage to facilitate a great ecosystem (which, per se, has nothing to do with innovation or invention).
Additionally, the market segment (even though i am not sure what you are talking about here, really) were in every way existing prior to the iphone. One could argue that Apple expanded said segment though, and in turn helped popularize it. (Once again, in no way related to inventing anything).
Finally, iteration is the mother of all knowledge. 99.999% of things stand on the shoulders of others, Jobs, Apple and the iDevices being no different.
You, sir, need to educate yourself - really.
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1) Yes, HTML5 will do us all lots of good, it is however not even remotely close to being mature. (Even so, i do not understand why so many companies are retarded enough to build proprietary applications where they really have nothing to gain from it).
2) Yes, Apple has so far worked in favour of HTML5. Only time will tell if they change that position though, as HTML5 (like Flash) is a serious threat when it comes to maintaining platform control (which Apple is quite famous for exerting).
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ammunition? we need a Wikipedia war article
"ammunition"? You know the format of every Wikipedia article about a specific War?
Someone ought to create one for this.
Tech Patent War I
Date ??? - present (??? days)
Status Conflict ongoing
Belligerents
Android Platform
Google
HTC
...
iOS Platform
Apple
...
Commanders and leaders
Android leaders
Sergey Brin (Google)
Peter Chou (HTC)
...
iOS leaders
Steve Jobs
Tim Cook
Scott Forstall
Philip W. Schiller
Albert Gore Jr.
Strength
Google: ??? patents
Motorola Mobility: ??? patents
HTC: ??? patents
Apple: ??? patents
...
Casualties and losses
...
"ammunition"? You know the format of every Wikipedia article about a specific War?
Someone ought to create one for this.
Tech Patent War I
Date ??? - present (??? days)
Status Conflict ongoing
Belligerents
Android Platform
HTC
...
iOS Platform
Apple
...
Commanders and leaders
Android leaders
Sergey Brin (Google)
Peter Chou (HTC)
...
iOS leaders
Steve Jobs
Tim Cook
Scott Forstall
Philip W. Schiller
Albert Gore Jr.
Strength
Google: ??? patents
Motorola Mobility: ??? patents
HTC: ??? patents
Apple: ??? patents
...
Casualties and losses
...
This patent stuff is stupidity. All of them are patenting things they have no right getting a patent office. They're out of control. The patent office is filled with idiots approving these patents. None of this should be patentable.
Suggestion: move this distraction, this non-news, to a separate tab and keep it off the front page.
Suggestion: move this distraction, this non-news, to a separate tab and keep it off the front page.
They didn't do the hard work!? These companies spent decades and billions developing the entire cell infrastructure and technology, then comes Apple and just jumps on and starts using this infrastructure. And you're wrong, you don't have to actively defend patents to keep them. However, they can be ruled invalid in a court
Why don't Apple sue Google directly? It's obvious all these lawsuits are just proxies in the war against Android
Apple didn't invent the smart phone, there were plenty of smart phones before the iPhone, that market segment was significant since atleast the early 2000's. Not to mention that the first gen iPhone doesn't meet the criteria for a smart phone at all.
Yes, Apple is pushing HTML5 by jumping the gun and using their own technologies that will have to be licensed from them and claiming it is the new standard even though no such agreements in the standards commitee exist. Apple is exactly like MS, they are only interested in standards if it's their own standards.
No. Software Patents had been a cold war where everybody was stocking up a Munition but no one was pulling the trigger. Everybody involved knew: Shoot first, die second.
Everybody but one. One company was stupid enough to do that first shoot.
And at this point, I don't think anyone really remembers who fired that first shot exactly. If you care to retrace the entire timeline and provide us with a definitive answer though, knock yourself out.
Lol the first iPhone didnt even meet any criterias of a smartphone, there were lots of smartphones before anyone thought of a iPhone. I had 3 Nokia Smartphones for years before that
Heck, some of them can even be said to have inspired Apple with the form factor (full frontal screen, touch UI, grid of icons) (see attachment).
Yes, iPhone form factor phones years before there even was an iPhone! Guys : don't let the iPhone crowd get to you. These are the people Apple brought into the smartphone arena. They weren't following handsets and devices before Apple made one, you can't expect them to know about things like the Sony Ericsson P800 (or P series in General) or the Palm Treos, or the fact that WinCE/Windows Mobile was not just released last year as Windows Phone 7.
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A very smart post mate
, and I agree. With regards to 'patent trolls' (Seriously, was that term not invented on web forums anyway?) I don't consider Apple or HTC etc to be tim.I class a patent troll as some small company or individual who has brought some patent or acquired it and then try's to sue a big company for pure money and no other reason. We have read plenty about this over the last year.
HTC etc are too big to need to do that as they hardly need more money.
Anyway, seeing as Apple have now filed a case to sue Samsung in Japan, this whole topic is just going to get worst. But at least HTC are going to give Apple a taste of it's own medicine, I can't actually recall Samsung, Nokia, LG, HTC suing each other before, yet Apple is having a good go at them all, well LG were going to sue Apple for ripping off it's designs (oh look how it turns)....
http://news.softpedia.com/news/LG-To-Sue-Apple-Over-The-iPhone-As-Well-45511.shtml
And has everyone forgotten that Cisco sued Apple as they owned the iPhone mark?
http://news.cnet.com/Cisco-sues-Apple-over-use-of-iPhone-trademark/2100-1047_3-6149285.html
They even dared to suggest Apple using underhanded methods such as front companies to gain ownership of the trademark, oh but Apple would never do that, gives credence to the story they manipulated images of competitors products to support court cases doesn't it?....
In fact the more you look into it, the more you realise just how much of a bully Apple really has become, steam rolling everyone else and manipulating markets so you only have one choice, their's!
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I'm sure xerox parc researches knew full well what they had. It seems pretty clear they also knew full well thier management didn't. To the point they go shopping around to find interested parties without the management fully understand what was really being sold.
Btw. HTC is hardly a proxie they have had thier own interface systems overlaid on top various OS over the years. If the aledged infringement is in that overlay or is blurry as to where it get implemented then it would seem to me they really should be the first port of call in Apple protecting thier IP.
Assuming Apples IP doesn't fail validity during proceeding but that's Apples gamble.
And if you go to other sites you see the same thing, expect you change Apple for Google and Google for Apple in your comment. This after all is an Apple fan site, so I would be suprised if all you saw was Apple bad mouthing here...
Also, if you look at what Google's phone look like before the CEO was on the board of Apple you can kind get why Apple has an ax to grind with Google. Before the iPhone Google was copying the Blackberry.
First, Google never made a phone. They bought a mobile OS and made a mobile OS to give to OEMs.
And if we look what the "Google" Phone looked like before the "iPhone", well, it still looks the same today, depending on the model. Google doesn't really dictate form factors to OEMs. Heck, HTC even makes one of these Blackberry type Android handsets :
Some of you really need to get it out of your head that Android and iPhone have anything to do with each other. One is software, the other is hardware. Android is hardware agnostic. It can be made to work on a variety of form factors, of which 1 is the "iPhone" form factor (I'd dare say more the SE P series form factor).
If you want to claim Android is copying iOS, let's hear that. If you want to say that Apple should have an exclusive over the Big frontal screen form factor, let's hear that. But let's stop pretending Android is a full touch screen phone. It's not. It's a mobile operating system. Just like Photoshop is an image manipulation program and has nothing to do with Logitech mice.
Last time I checked Apple was still making more money then another phone maker. Which is the goal of any business. So I would say they are ahead and ahead by a lot. Apple is not trying to complete with the free phone or the cheap phone. What they don't want is their IP being used in the cheap or free phones. It will be up to the courts to validate Apple's IP claims. There are a lot of ways this could go, Apple and HTC both could win and there would be a force compromise or one of them will lose.
Good thing then that HTC makes expensive phones that are more feature filled and technologically advanced than Apple
That's not the reason Jobs was upset.
Apple has never suggested that Google stole anything while Schmidt was on the Apple board. Never. They've only ever claimed copying afterwards.
If anything, the reason why Apple asked Google on board in the middle of iPhone development was to see what Android was up to, and also to get Google cooperation for Maps, YouTube, Search, all of which were important parts of the initial iPhone success.
No, Jobs' main beef was that he thought Apple had a patent on multitouch itself and that Google violated it. He was, of course, misinformed.
Good thing then that HTC makes expensive phones that are more feature filled and technologically advanced than Apple
And yet Apple makes more money on their phone sales....
True that, they were before but they didn't patent anything and only sold 25000 units. I was actually just responding to the person saying Apple copied it from Windows and wanted to tell that it was the other way round. Much of the innovation though came from Apple and if you look at the first GUI from Apple, you see the remarkable resemblance even in Windows 7 because their principles were the same there are today. If Apple would have produced this for the IBM compatible computers as well, Microsoft would have never had a chance.