HTC Launches One Max Smartphone, Fingerprint Sensor Garners Negative Reviews

[Tech198]

Finger prints

What i tell ya, App,e does TouchID..... and everyone has to do the same..

I wouldn't mind if samsung did it first, but why is it always Apple "showing the way"

At least Android's got their own NFC, something "Before" TouchID happened on iPhone..

I wish this happened more...

Would give more balance to the universe.

 

[o0smoothies0o]

My HTC One is exactly what I wanted in a slightly larger than iPhone phone. The top and bottom are used for fantastic speakers (much better than my Mini), and HTC uses two capacitive buttons rather than three. It's a clean front face. Apple fans like the home button, but it wastes space in the same way that Samsung's huge home button does. Touch I'D was a great way to keep the iPhone's home button in place, but HTC doesn't do front buttons with the One. If you look at a One and a 5s together, there's a lot of unused real estate in the front of the 5s. Don't expect to see HTC cluttering up the front of a phone/phablet with physical buttons. BTW.... I staunchly defended Apple in the thread about Touch ID taking too many steps to initiate....

Stealing Ideas: Go to YouTube, and type in Steve Jobs and Picasso. Jobs boasts about stealing ideas! Kind of freaky.....

Jobs was talking about taking ideas from all forms of art in general. He was not saying take an idea and make something identical to it.

 

[TommyA6]

5s can only register 5.. not that much better.

With 5 slots you can register two fingers you use 99,99% of the time on your phone (your thumb and forefinger) on both hands. That way you almost never have to think about which fingers you've registered and simply use the touch ID and your phone.
With HTC one, it's much more annoying, as you cannot register all the important fingers (you can either register your thumb, forefinger and middle finger of one of your hands, or two fingers of your left and one of your right hand or vice versa ).

This is only one of the few advantages of Apple's implementation in comparison to HTC's half baked thingy.

 

[FrankB1191]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzNVX_nRoFw

Saw this on YouTube last week. Too funny! **** Language Warning*****

 

[slapppy]

Jobs was talking about taking ideas from all forms of art in general. He was not saying take an idea and make something identical to it.

So sick and tired of hearing this from Apple haters.

 

[Mechanic]

I'm an Apple fan and I much prefer the iPhone implementation....

BUT

I would like to point out that you also have to wake the iPhone before using the scanner, making that part of the argument rather moot.

EDIT: PLEASE STOP QUOTING THIS POST IF YOU HAVEN'T READ THE OTHER COMMENTS. I'VE ALREADY RESPONDED TO ENOUGH POSTS SAYING EXACTLY THE SAME THING IN RESPONSE.

No not at all. you have to push the button to wake the phone then turn it over to swipe your finger vertically up and across the camera lens smudging the lens. This does not make it moot. It is a horrible implementation and very disjointed to use.
Contrast that with the 5s. Push the home button, leave your finger there and in less than a second it scans your print and unlocks the phone all in one fluid process. And theres no swiping at all. Swipe is failure.

 

[TTile]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzNVX_nRoFw

Saw this on YouTube last week. Too funny! **** Language Warning*****

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Ohhh..... Thanks Einstein. Jobs said exactly what he said, not what you would like for him to have said.

I'd agree with you. Jobs was certainly talking about stealing directly. To paraphrase: 'If someone produces something great, they've done the work for you and therefore stealing it makes sense'

He was saying this in the context of stealing ideals from Xerox. Clearly something like the mouse maximized usability/functionality and there's little one can do to improve on it. Likewise, as a more modern day example, something like pinch to zoom also is something that maximizes these parameters.

That being said, if you patent this this maximized technology its yours. No one else should be able to use it. You figured out the best way to accomplish a task and therefore you should be rewarded for your work.

A lot of the animosity towards Samsung/etc stems from this latter idea. Apple showed off a number of these maximized technologies in the iPhone and manufactures "stole" their ideas. Apple tried to patent a number of these ideas but many were ruled invalid due to prior art. However an invalidation of a patent does little in terms of invalidating Apple's contribution to the sector. If Apple didn't produce an iPhone would we have a market defined by keyboardless phones? Likely not. Would we have "bounce back" and "pinch to zoom" in mobile software? Likely not. Would we have an onslaught of fingerprint sensor phones? Likely not.

You can argue that Apple doesn't deserve certain royalties. You cannot argue that Apple is not the foremost trendsetter in the smartphone industry.

 

[gatearray]

I will say that I like the fact that each print can be assigned to an app/ function, but just as the article says, it is better in theory.

Ahh, just like most of the "features" in android phones.

 

[twoodcc]

the HTC One is a great phone. not sure this one is improving upon it much though.

 

[kdarling]

can't wait for someone to justify having the home button on the back of a phone.

Actually...

Apple filed for a patent on a rear touchscreen device back in 2007.

(You'd use your finger on the back of the case, to move a cursor on the front display.)

 

[rmwebs]

Apple already did, since iPhone 5s already sold in millions ....

And you attribute that mainly to a fingerprint sensor?

 

[DaBossIsHere]

Some of you guys are really biased.

Every company copy other companies... That's how it works. After all who benefits? Us the consumers.

If you think that Apple just innovates and doesn't copy, take a better look at iOS7 'new' features.

 

[badpinoy]

Hate to bust everyone bubble, but Apple was not the first to come up with a finger print sensor on a phone.

 

[Chatter]

It took not even a week for someone to hack Apple's fingerprint sensor - and that only showed that such sensors are stupid ideas in the first place. As some security developer from the Linux community said: "Fingerprints are usernames, not passwords." And we leave these fingerprints on everything that we touch. So basically Apple introduced a stupid and dangerous feature and others are doing the same..

To be accurate, touch id has not been hacked...yet. Before you disagree, I want to make it clear that a copy/paste of a fingerprint is not a "hack".

 

[akbarali.ch]

Proof, love is blind!

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Yes, very true and can be fixed by software updates and its most likely coming, but i don't think HTC can give a software update to move the sensor in the front !!

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Hate to bust everyone bubble, but Apple was not the first to come up with a finger print sensor on a phone.

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Apple was not the first one, Apple doesn't have the market share, Apple is closed, Apple is overpriced low spec'd, Apple is doomed,

YET, it seems it's only after iphone 5S the world got introduced the fingerprint sensor. And, even after that too, people are still struggling to copy.
Samsung has better photocopier in their lab than HTC, we should soon see some very great innovation from Samsung, something like never seen before fingerprint sensor!!, that unlocks the phone just by pressing front home button !!

 

[CFreymarc]

That's a terrible place to put the sensor.

I never though there could be a train wreck of a smartphone worst than the Blackberry Storm. This comes close if not it.

Looks like a job that was augmented at the 11th hour for a "me too."

Wonder if anyone had the integrity to walk away form this project when they were on it.

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Apple was not the first one, Apple doesn't have the market share, Apple is closed, Apple is overpriced low spec'd, Apple is doomed

So is Harley-Davison, Levi, Gucci and Ferrari. They all have very strong brand loyalty and continue to sell well. Remember, Apple is a fashion company with computer and information technology as their canvas.

They are not a technology company with slaps of paint over a raw honed, state-of-the-art and questionably reliable muscle machine. You want that, bring out the soldering iron, hunker down and take it like a man.

 

[TMay]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzNVX_nRoFw

Saw this on YouTube last week. Too funny! **** Language Warning*****

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Ohhh..... Thanks Einstein. Jobs said exactly what he said, not what you would like for him to have said.

It's a quote attributed to Picasso, among others. The fact that Steve understood the context and you do not is not lost on many of us here.

The multi-part PBS television program “Triumph of the Nerds: The Rise of Accidental Empires” premiered in 1996. During the program Steve Jobs again mentioned the saying that he attributed to Pablo Picasso. Here is a transcript excerpt: 13

"Ultimately it comes down to taste. It comes down to trying to expose yourself to the best things that humans have done and then try to bring those things in to what you’re doing. I mean Picasso had a saying he said good artists copy great artists steal. And we have always been shameless about stealing great ideas".

The context is and has been about stealing "ideas" not copying "implementations". In fact, implementation of an idea or recorded words are the basis of Patent and Copyright Law.

http://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/03/06/artists-steal/

 

[moghulsapple]

Let's see if anyone even bothers to hack this finger print sensor

 

[Alith]

I love the fingerprint sensor on my iPhone, but I would really love more functionality out of it. I know everyone is hyper-sensitive about privacy, but I would love to expand it to be a "One Fingerprint" tool similar to One Password. If I could use it to log in to websites and servers that would be really cool.

It's coming. Apple delayed it, probably to coincide with Mavericks.

http://www.apple.com/icloud/features/#keychain

I use 1Password but will likely switch over to iCloud Keychain as I assume it will work with the fingerprint sensors. I'm just hoping iPad5 has a sensor.

 

[redmac]

Hate to bust everyone bubble, but Apple was not the first to come up with a finger print sensor on a phone.

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This is a good example of why Apple is the big force behind innovation. Others come up with new ideas but usually the end product is so useless that those ideas are quickly abandoned by the industry, except if Apple shows everyone how to do it right.

The sensor in Moto Atrix was built by AuthenTec and it was almost the same sensor as the one used in iPhone 5s. Apple knew what was wrong about it and how the solve the problem. That's why they bought AuthenTec when no one wanted to use their technology, and applied for a patent for sapphire crystal covered glass idea. As a result, while the sensor in Atrix was on the back panel and still got easily scratched and stopped working after a short time, Apple managed to put it to the home button under a scratch-free sapphire lens.

Innovation is not using an existing technology in a new product category for the first time. Innovation is putting existing ideas together to find a working solution to an existing problem and being followed by the others.

Also, check this out:

http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/10/10/synaptics-buys-samsung-partner-validity-to-take-on-apples-authentec-touch-id-feature

 

[quickmac]

1.) Why is it so close to the camera?

2.) How could you ever put a case on this phone?

 

[imageWIS]

For all the derision of Apple, they still make things right. See Samsung and their less-than-spectacular watch and this HTC. No way that the Apple watch if and when it comes out will be anywhere as bad as the Samsung watch.

 

[6749974]

So is Harley-Davison, Levi, Gucci and Ferrari. They all have very strong brand loyalty and continue to sell well. Remember, Apple is a fashion company with computer and information technology as their canvas.

They are not a technology company with slaps of paint over a raw honed, state-of-the-art and questionably reliable muscle machine. You want that, bring out the soldering iron, hunker down and take it like a man.

You're kind of right. Insightful. The way I'd put it is that Apple knows their market. They utilize raw or unrefined technology (hardware, software, and UI design) to design products for the early-majority or late-majority consumer market.

That's why simplicity as a motto is a benefit to Apple, because making something simpler makes it easy. Making something easy gives more people access to the benefits and value of a technology.

Early adopters are willing to deal with rough-around-the-edges products that are often painful to use because the trade off is they get early access to the benefits of the new technology. Early/Late Majority won't deal with things like an annoying finger print scanner. That's why Apple "has to get it right." That's why they value design. Yeah maybe they make mistakes, they are human beings, but it's their intention that sets them apart from the other competitors.

When Apple gets it right they make technology accessible to everyone (whose willing to pay for it). That includes children and grandparents. That's why the iPhone/iPad felt like miracles upon introduction.

 

[D.T.]

Like maybe the HTC One Google Play Edition?

Oh yeah, if I was in the market, that's exactly the product I would buy (to be honest, if I was shopping non-Apple phones, I'd probably go Nokia+Windows )

 

[apolloa]

Oh dear, the first page summed it up, then again the whole article is a troll fest phishing spree, yes HTC copied Apple in a couple of weeks, they designed and engineered and launched it's version of a finger print scanner equipped smart phone in a couple of weeks

As for the HTC phone itself, yeah it's naff as it's too big and the scanner is in a stupid place. I don't see the point in a finger print scanner anyway, if you have it great but it's hardly a must have.

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For all the derision of Apple, they still make things right. See Samsung and their less-than-spectacular watch and this HTC. No way that the Apple watch if and when it comes out will be anywhere as bad as the Samsung watch.

The only decent smartwatch so far is the Qualcomm Toq. But don't expect much from an Apple watch if it exists because the battery life will suck like all the rest, the Toq only manages a few day's with a 200mhz CPU and screen that doesn't need the backlight all the time.