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I don't get what HTC is trying to accomplish here. I own an HTC One, and I think it's an amazing phone. I don't know why they rushed a bigger and smaller version, threw everything they thought would sell on them, and hope for the best? If I was a shareholder I'd be worried about the people making those decisions in that company.

Why is it so hard for them to take a step back, look at what they accomplished with the HTC One, and work on giving people a better experience. They think by rushing these phones in those two other sizes will better their chances. On the contrary, they end up making people not so happy.

I am a happy HTC One owner, but not a happy HTC customer.
 
Its not unusual for solutions to have constraints and limitations. For example, touch sensors does't work (well) if you have gloves on.

Anyway, the point is that if Samsung knew how to "innovate", they would do something beyond monkey see/monkey do.

Yes, it is true about the gloves with Touch ID. I wonder if you bruised your finger, where the finger print is, if that would also effect the Touch ID.
 
There's no way HTC got this done in 3 weeks, they obviously had it planned well before Apple announced their finger print scanner.

In saying that, I have an HTC One and think it's brilliant, but this is just a big fail. I don't know why all the Android phone makers have to make mini and max versions of all their flag ship phones. HTC did a good thing with the One, it's probably the closest thing in the Android world to iPhone build quality, with the benefit of a bigger screen with a higher PPI. They should just acknowledge a good product and leave it at that.
 
Yes, it is true about the gloves with Touch ID. I wonder if you bruised your finger, where the finger print is, if that would also effect the Touch ID.

5 fingers can be saved. If you lose (or bruise) all 5 fingers you saved to TouchId, you've got much bigger problems than being able to easily get into your iPhone :eek:
 
5 fingers can be saved. If you lose (or bruise) all 5 fingers you saved to TouchId, you've got much bigger problems than being able to easily get into your iPhone :eek:

I understood that you can scan in more then one finger. I was trying to discuss what types of things would effect the Touch ID related to effects on the fingers.
 
I don't get what HTC is trying to accomplish here. I own an HTC One, and I think it's an amazing phone. I don't know why they rushed a bigger and smaller version, threw everything they thought would sell on them, and hope for the best? If I was a shareholder I'd be worried about the people making those decisions in that company.

Why is it so hard for them to take a step back, look at what they accomplished with the HTC One, and work on giving people a better experience. They think by rushing these phones in those two other sizes will better their chances. On the contrary, they end up making people not so happy.

I am a happy HTC One owner, but not a happy HTC customer.

Yeah it seems a lot of phone manufacturers are intentionally positioning themselves to be reactive rather than proactive. I totally agree with you that companies need to ask "what have we accomplished" and improve upon that rather than look at what they don't have and take a fast stab at it.
 
Same Story…

It happened again! Apple brings incredible technology to their products, and some other company copies it, be it HTC, Samsung, Microsoft, or anyone. Remember when Apple introduced the Smart Covers and Cases for iPad? Very soon Microsoft released those clip-together lap-top/tablet things, which resembled, very much, the Smart Covers.
 
Another crap Android ripoff. I'm surprised Samsung wasn't first to the show.

Somehow I have a feeling Android users will use this as an argument and proof that iP5S Touch ID is nothing unique. Just a simple easy to build on a smartphone feature.
 
"Much as we hate to say it, the fingerprint scanner on the iPhone 5S is much better when it comes to unlocking"

"Much better when it comes to unlocking"?!? What else would you use a fingerprint scanner for?! They might as well just come out and say it. . .the iPhone 5S fingerprint scanner works well and the fingerprint scanner in this HTC device is awful.
 
I'm an Apple fan and I much prefer the iPhone implementation....

BUT

I would like to point out that you also have to wake the iPhone before using the scanner, making that part of the argument rather moot.

Actually when you hold the home button down to wake up the iPhone you don't have to remove your finger. Just leave it on there and the iPhone immediately unlocks.
 
It's really stupid to think this device was designed after the 5S came out. And the iPhone wasn't by far the first phone featuring a fingerprint sensor.

Nice try, kid.

Somehow I have a feeling Android users will use this as an argument and proof that iP5S Touch ID is nothing unique. Just a simple easy to build on a smartphone feature.

It seems so, slapppy.
 
It's really stupid to think this device was designed after the 5S came out. And the iPhone wasn't by far the first phone featuring a fingerprint sensor.

Nice try, kid.

Yes, but the HTC wasn't designed after the 5S came out. Months before the release of the 5S, rumors were around suggesting a fingerprint scanner would be included on the 'new iPhone'. HTC would've known there was going to be a fingerprint scanner and they tried to make something better, but the HTC fingerprint scanner is nowhere near as good as Touch ID.
 
I understood that you can scan in more then one finger. I was trying to discuss what types of things would effect the Touch ID related to effects on the fingers.

I know - I was making a small joke.....lol.

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Actually when you hold the home button down to wake up the iPhone you don't have to remove your finger. Just leave it on there and the iPhone immediately unlocks.

:eek:

Really?!?!?! That's how it works?

Read pal....dead horse has already been buried and you're trying to dig it up to beat it some more.
 
It's really stupid to think this device was designed after the 5S came out. And the iPhone wasn't by far the first phone featuring a fingerprint sensor.

Nice try, kid.

Heh nice try yourself. We've all known about the sensor for what, a almost a year before the phone came out. Face it, it makes perfect business sense to look at the features the most successful mobile phone is rumored to have and to start developing your own to compete. So the device, yes, was designed after the 5s came to be planned not after it came out. Or I guess it's just coincidence right. You honestly believe HTC would have done this if Apple hadn't decided to implement it. This has often came to be the case. Apple sets trends other phone manufacturers like to follow (like s-voice after siri), and Apple does the same as well (that's why there came to be a mid-range iPad, that's why there will be bigger screened iphones in the future, that's why ios 7 adopted many features of Android, Win. mobile, and other oses.
 
It's really stupid to think this device was designed after the 5S came out. And the iPhone wasn't by far the first phone featuring a fingerprint sensor.

Nice try, kid.

Yes but supposedly HTC had a version of this phablet that didn't include the scanner. So it's entirely possible they decided to go with the one that did after the 5S was announced.
 
But it misses on the convenience factor. TouchID is a good balance between security and convenience-- not as secure as a passcode, but way more convenient.

The HTC implementation is not nearly as convenient; it misses the balance and I doubt customers will actually use it. Much like Samsung's nifty "face unlock" feature that sounds cool but nobody ever uses.

Face unlock is an Android feature implemented by Google, not Samsung.

It's pretty much acknowledged as a gimmick given that Google disabled it on their Nexus devices when the feature became available.

Samsung, however, decided it was worth touting as yet one more thing they could fit on their feature list.
 
Yeah it seems a lot of phone manufacturers are intentionally positioning themselves to be reactive rather than proactive. I totally agree with you that companies need to ask "what have we accomplished" and improve upon that rather than look at what they don't have and take a fast stab at it.

True, but to really survive as businesses in a maturing market these companies need to look beyond the next step and try to figure out what the next big thing is. Either in mobile telephony or outside of that. Just improving what there is will not save these businesses once the market will start to decline or when the power will continue to concentrate in a small number of companies like it is now with Apple and Samsung. Just improving will not save HTC, just like it didn't in the case of Blackberry and Nokia.
 
Not sure why everyone is whining. When I hold my iPhone, my pointer finger supports my iPhone in the exact position where they placed the fingerprint sensor. It's actually genius, stop being fanboys.

When you hold an iPhone, yes. Try that with a 5.9" phone.
 
I'm an Apple fan and I much prefer the iPhone implementation....

BUT

I would like to point out that you also have to wake the iPhone before using the scanner, making that part of the argument rather moot.

Yes, but the button to wake the phone IS EXACTLY where the sensor is. Making it effectively a one step process. Press the home button, scanner immediately scans your finger. No swiping, no pressing one button and transitioning to another area to scan the finger. All inclusive one step process to securely unlock your phone.

As with almost every Apple innovation, the devil is in the details and the implementation. Some people erroneously think there's a race to be first to do something. The thing that separates the true innovators from the phonies, is being the first to do something RIGHT in a way that makes so much sense that it seems inevitable. When something makes so much sense that you think "of course, how else would you do it" thats when you have innovated. Not screaming "FIRST" like some message board troll who rushes to make the first comment.
 
I'm an Apple fan and I much prefer the iPhone implementation....

BUT

I would like to point out that you also have to wake the iPhone before using the scanner, making that part of the argument rather moot.

considering the sensor is built into a button I'd consider the iPhone 5s implementation a bit more intuitive in that respect as well.. you don't even have to move your finger after you wake it up.
 
Yes, but the button to wake the phone IS EXACTLY where the sensor is. Making it effectively a one step process. Press the home button, scanner immediately scans your finger. No swiping, no pressing one button and transitioning to another area to scan the finger. All inclusive one step process to securely unlock your phone.

As with almost every Apple innovation, the devil is in the details and the implementation. Some people erroneously think there's a race to be first to do something. The thing that separates the true innovators from the phonies, is being the first to do something RIGHT in a way that makes so much sense that it seems inevitable. When something makes so much sense that you think "of course, how else would you do it" thats when you have innovated. Not screaming "FIRST" like some message board troll who rushes to make the first comment.

See Post #167......

I'm laughing harder and harder with every post like this I read....lol
 
I'm sorry - I usually tend to avoid making assumptions and simply go by what the writer ACTUALLY said.

It's not my fault the person doesn't say what they mean......

Lol - what's hilarious about this is that I'm being bashed for AGREEING Apple is better, but simply pointing out the fact the iPhone must be awake to register the touch.....regardless of how smooth it was implemented.

So if I'm the writer, instead of making the claim that "a reason this implementation sucks is that one must wake up the device before registering fingerprint input" I say "This requires additional physical steps because of the location of the sensor" - which he already talks about being horrible because its near the camera lens.

That's the real problem. I don't know why I'm explaining this to you people....it was a simple act of fairness and an innocuous observation that apparently has pissed enough of you off to argue with me as if I don't know how the sensor works or am some Apple-hater.....

Laughable. Laughable on all accounts.

And yet you keep trying to re-explain it...badly and most defensively I might add.

Now comes the part where you retire from battle, a bit bruised but wiser.
 
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