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Fixed that for you.
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First, the main reason for IE6 still in use in the corporate world, is that companies have invested a lot of $$$$$$ in technology tied to IE6.
Second, Flash is evolving and adapting fast. It is still the most efficient way to create certain types of content for the web, and most sane experts agree that this will be the case even when HTML5 is finalized in a few years time.
I am actually sick of people who keep blindly bashing perfectly fine technology, because Steve Jobs has decided to ban it from iOS, so that Apple can squeeze a few more $$$ from its captive consumer base.
Well, then you have no clue about all the fun content the rest of the world is enjoying.
Well, then you have no clue about all the fun content the rest of the world is enjoying.
Happy to not know. Bells and whistles are of no interest to me.
These are exactly the words Windows users used to deride the Mac with.
You must be in heaven with DOS.
Both which are based in the corporate world. He said Business. You're being disingenuous. Flash isn't even used in the business world. Consumers are much more fickle than businesses.
Not to mention IE6 is a big pain because it is not updated nor maintained anymore. Flash is. Actively.
The analogy doesn't apply. Both situations are much different, targeted at much different markets and both piece of software have different backing from their respective parent.
These are exactly the words Windows users used to deride the Mac with.
You must be in heaven with DOS.
Translation is that your argument has failed badly.
Don't bother, that guy is one of the new *LTD*s. Since he joined, he has done nothing but bash people that don't agree 100% with all things Apple.
Zzzz, a tired argument typical of the "hater" crowd.
The implication, of course, is if someone disagrees with a particular point of Apple criticism that he is merely part of the "Apple does no wrong" koolaid-swigging cult crew. A weak argument at best.
One can easily disagree with the habitual haters around here (the "Apple can do no right" crowd), of which there is an increasing bounty, while still seeing Apple as a deeply flawed company (as all companies are).
It's too bad many of us don't get to have intelligent conversations about the good and bad of Apple anymore because we're too busy engaging the career trolls that infest this board. And failing to recognize that we now have many in this forum who are here exclusively to foment discord with their particular brand of Apple loathing is naive.
Apparently sparring with the trolls makes us blind fanboys. Whatever. *shrug*
Prove our point more next time while you're at it.
I'm not an Apple hater. I've been called an Apple fanboy just 2 weeks ago in a thread about the Mac Pro.
Prove our point more next time while you're at it.
Perhaps you should prove your accusation about algiris:
when a simple search of his comment history shows the accusation is bogus? (As this particular accusation typically is.)
Again, throwing out the "blind fanboy" accusation is a lame, weak copout. Respond to the argument. Don't throw out bogus charges that you can't substantiate.
Hooray for you. Again, my point stands. Throwing out the "fanboy" label is generally a way of saying "I have no intelligent way to respond to your argument." Apparently someone has used this technique on you. So you should recognize its lameness and not propagate it.
And I didn't call you a hater. I said you were using "a tired argument typical of the "hater" crowd." Which you were.
As for the trolls, there very clearly are members of this forum who are here to do nothing but agitate the Apple customer base (the audience for this forum). Their post history speaks for itself.
Except I did respond to him. But its futile at this point. His arguments are no more coherent than yours are in this thread. You're just aiming everywhere and change the subject as soon as you're proven wrong.
We're still waiting on that apology for saying Google hinders HTML5 when they are in fact more involved in it than Apple, as has been proven time and time again in this very thread.
If used incorrectly that is true but lets take for example *LTD* who admits his is a fanboy and I have never once seen him post something antiapple and attacks any one who says something anti-apple.
You can not argue with some one like that. Fanboys are exactly that. Fanboys who just blindly repeat anything apple says no matter the truth or not.
In multiple threads I see repeated crap that apple has stated but have zero understanding the things that go on under it. You have the "flash sucks because *blank apple reason*" but try to explain the little things about coding or things under the hood they do not follow it or it is over their head. Apple is very surface on a lot of stuff they talk about but under the hood part they do not say much about. Can not argue with a fanboy about under the hood because apple did not say it.
Uh huh.
Link please?
I clearly did argue that Google hinders HTML5 by making Flash on Android a big talking point in its new anti-iOS war. Not embracing Flash on Android devices would have accelerated HTML5 adoption even more quickly. Thus embracing Flash on Android devices subsequently slows HTML5 adoption down. It's not rocket science. Imagine if Web developers had not only Flash-less iOS to contend with but Flash-less Android as well? You better believe they'd be jumping on the HTML5 bandwagon en masse. Google could easily have put a fork in mobile Flash, and consequently the Flash Web in general, by saying "Hey, we only want to support open, non-proprietary Web standards on our mobile OS."
Instead Google let much of the air out of the tire by putting its arm around Adobe's proprietary Web. Wrong or right, the end result is exactly what I said: slower HTML5 adoption. Fact.
No apology to Google is necessary on this point. Far from it.
Except that I probably own more Apple products than you. I just am not a blind follower.
Look, you've just ignored every counter I posted to your points and all the proof I posted. And you want me to respond to this trash argument of yours again ? You've just repeated all the same things I debunked pages ago.
Google has done more to help HTML5 than Apple ever did. Letting Flash in on the Android Market does not hinder HTML5. Flash and HTML5 can coexist and devs and users will choose whichever is best. Google are doing the big push for HTML5 by invinting IE6 users to move out to other browsers and by implementing and using HTML5 at every turn. Including having better HTML5 on Android than Apple does on iOS.
If you don't want to be labeled a fanboy and someone that it is futile to argue with, at least stop just repeating rhetoric and admit when you are wrong. Google is more involved in HTML5 than Apple, something you denied. You were wrong.
You probably don't, but it wouldn't matter if you did. The "blind follower" tag is a lame copout if you're just using it to argue against someone you disagree with.
You debunked nothing. Are you arguing that Flash for Android will not affect HTML5 adoption rates at all? Are you seriously going to argue that? Because that's exactly the point I'm making.
And calling my argument "trash" just because you disagree with it without countering the actual point I'm making is weak.
And Google could have done much more by taking a stand against the proprietary Flash Web with Android. They didn't.
Of course it does. It tells devs "Hey, use HTML5 for Android, use Flash, use whatever - it's cool with us. We just want to sell advertising." To which devs will obviously say "Awesome, I already know Flash, and it works in IE6, I'll just keep using that!"
As I clearly stated previously, devs and users will not necessarily choose "whichever is best." They will choose whichever is more convenient. And right now for users that means some rusty old non-standards-compliant browser (IE), and for devs that means Flash.
Can you get it threw your head Flash does not have to loss for HTML5 to win.
The biggest factor controlling HTML5 adaption is IE. IE8 supports some of the HTML5 API and IE9 is going to support it even more. The largest player in the market controls the most.
Also Flash will be able to do a lot of things HTML5 will not be able to do and same the other way around. It is about suing the right tool for the job. Flash is just better for a lot of things.
Apple way of doing thing more just pissed off devs. Google way is more saying use the best tools for the job. They know you can not just drop flash and expect everyone to jump over.
You seem to repeat the crap Apple spits out. If Apple says it is bad then it is Bad. Apple seems to believe that it can tell people what is best for them.
Of course Apple is the same one refusing to support a free standard for video on the web using the convoluted patent encumbered h.264.
There is a reason why Safari is still at around 5% market share and never really has crossed that point even though it is on Windows. It is because it is a really crappy browser. it sucks on windows. Chrome, Firefox and IE are all better. On Macs I see Chrome and Firefox being very popular.