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I am an iPhone user, but I know of lots of people who love their Samsungs.
Also the pixel has a better camera than the iPhone.
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I don't think Apple knows how to make a low cost device.

Sure Apple know how to make a low cost device, they just choose to rip their customers for whatever they can stomach.
 
Apple is living in a bubble if they think serious problems are not on the horizon. With numbers like these expect the bottom to drop out of sales soon. Like Blackberry once a critical mass is lost sales drop very quickly.

We'll see.

Apple has stayed between 10-15% of the global smartphone market for quite some time... despite selling rather expensive phones. But don't just look at Apple's percentage of the total market... look at their raw numbers: between 40 million and 80 million iPhones sold every three months. Lots o' satisfied customers.

Meanwhile... the majority of the smartphone market is made up of cheap <$200 phones... which of course sell in greater volume.

Apple has a nice little niche carved out for themselves: premium smartphones with a unique OS.

Reminds me of the Mac... which has survived on the market for over 30 years!

Also... it's a little disingenuous to bring Blackberry into the conversation... or Palm, Windows Mobile or Symbian.

People stopped buying those older platforms because something better came along: Android and iOS. Those other platforms couldn't evolve and adapt to the new smartphone world... so they were replaced by the newcomers.

Android is the volume leader... iPhone is the premium alternative. Both can co-exist. Just like volume Windows and premium Mac.

I guess what I'm saying is... the iPhone is very relevant and will continue to be. And still evolving. That's something Blackberry couldn't achieve.

The iPhone will never be the majority (and has never been) but it will have more than enough customers to stick around.

Like the Mac... Apple could be selling iPhones for the next 30 years!
 
Good data right there. My thoughts on Huawei is that its peaked. The vast majority of people that buys Huawei is...guess who? The Chinese. Where? In China. Why? Dirty cheap. Just like everything else that is popular in China will have significant market share. Why? Population. But the story will end there because thats how it always has been. Name me a single consumer product that is widely popular on a global scale? You can't do it because there is nothing.

I'm not saying this is it for Huawei, I'm saying 99.9% of any popular, upcoming product from China will fade. So chances are, this one will not be any different. Remember there was a time when OnePlus, HTC, and some other Chinese manufacturers to be the iPhone killer. What happened? They all faded.

But competition is good. This is good. Apple may not be scared but they better make the best damn iPhones to come in the future. Plus Android is pure ****.


Chinese manufacturers will surge at the expense of other Android brands. As stated in your post -- Huwaei's growth will come against HTC, LG, and Samsung. Its the churn that happens within the Android market space. Next year it could be someone different.

The limiting factor is Android. Its a fragmented mess -- the only phone to address fragmentation in my mind is Google's Pixel as its vanilla android and will get updates like an iPhone. However, there are other problems that still exist. Development environments for Android are not as good as the one for iOS. App developers still put more resources behind iOS apps before they venture into Android versions. Development is further complicated by the fragmentation of the Android user base - an app has to be written for three or four versions of Android or written for the lowest common denominator which means the App does not take advantage of new Android features. Finally - Android is not really integrated with any broad ecosystem other than Google's online services -- which are good but then your desktop is using a browser for anything integrated with your phone which again -- to me -- is sub-optimal.

From that perspective -- iOS is the more attractive platform. I would rather spend more to get an iPhone that has that ecosystem behind it then a cheaper phone that looks like it was copied from an iPhone to use Android.
 
I think the first step to success is having a company name that people actually know how to pronounce. :cool:
 
Something else could also come along and make Android and IOS irrelevant.

Sure!

But it would be a monumental task to take on Android and iOS. And quite a risk.

How much effort... and money... do you pour into a new platform to gain traction against the existing one billion iOS devices and two billion Android devices?

Many have tried... none have succeeded.

I dunno... like Windows and MacOS... I'm guessing Android and iOS will be the platforms for the foreseeable future.
 
Looking at the Huwaei it looks like its "Design" is stolen from Apple

Which do you think stole from which?

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Better design and quality? Where's Huawei's OS? Where's Huawei's custom SoCs? You can't omit those things from design and quality considerations. Huawei doesn't even attempt to include them.

Um the Huawei makes it own soc and is using some serious hardware in there phones.this is not a cheap China phone they go for 700+ on eBay for the plus ones and are a huge threat to Samsung and apple.
 
Don't some U.S. congress critters think that Huawei is an arm of the Chinese military establishment? Who may or may not want to have a way to snoop inside certain customers stuff?[/QUOTE
I think the first step to success is having a company name that people actually know how to pronounce. :cool:

1. Australian gov banned them from working on national broadband network for a reason, lenovo also suss


2. Phonetically Hwow-way
 
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I would like to see a value add by MacRumors in these unit sales articles. Add a chart that factors in ASP and known margin to estimate sales and profits. It would make these articles more meaningful.

Also it should be noted there is a large qualitative difference between a smartwatch and a fitness band.
 
I am an iPhone user, but I know of lots of people who love their Samsungs.
Also the pixel has a better camera than the iPhone.
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I don't think Apple knows how to make a low cost device.
Perhaps I was unclear. Yes, brand loyalty is one thing but android devices are in the same ecosystem. Few offer exclusive features. A user could switch between different android vendors without skipping a beat. That is all I am suggesting.
 
Perhaps I was unclear. Yes, brand loyalty is one thing but android devices are in the same ecosystem. Few offer exclusive features. A user could switch between different android vendors without skipping a beat. That is all I am suggesting.
Good point. This is why manufacturers in android can't make a buck. Samsung is the overpriced phone compared to Huawei that some claim the iPhone is. It's Samsung flagships that are in the line of sight of vendors such as oppo and Huawei not Apple. Would the same people who claim iPhone is overpriced by an s8, which is overpriced by Huawei standards?
 
Good point. This is why manufacturers in android can't make a buck. Samsung is the overpriced phone compared to Huawei that some claim the iPhone is. It's Samsung flagships that are in the line of sight of vendors such as oppo and Huawei not Apple. Would the same people who claim iPhone is overpriced by an s8, which is overpriced by Huawei standards?
Not just that, but people who buy into Apple's ecosystem are also ensuring a steady revenue stream for Apple. When I buy an app, or subscribe to services such as iCloud or Apple music, or even make a purchase with Apple Pay, Apple gets a cut. That iPhone you bought continues to generate revenue for Apple long after the purchase has been made.

Android OEMs don't see a single cent when any of this happens on their side. Their revenue stream is really just that pittance that comes with the sales of their handsets.
 
Don't some U.S. congress critters think that Huawei is an arm of the Chinese military establishment? Who may or may not want to have a way to snoop inside certain customers stuff?
Under the Communist Manifesto of CarlM, the state own everything the west helps them create.
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Huawei's R&D expenditure: 2014 $5.9B, 2015 $8.7B, 2016 $9.2B
Apple's R&D expenditure: 2014 $6B, 2015 $8.1B, 2016 $10.4B
State money made via erroneous means.
 
Apple has the edge on brand recognition but Huawei has better design, quality and value that's why the local Chinese phones are outselling the foreign Chinese phones like iPhones.
Quality? I could grant the other two but quality build I think Apple is still tops.
 
Apple has the edge on brand recognition but Huawei has better design, quality and value that's why the local Chinese phones are outselling the foreign Chinese phones like iPhones.
I don't know, what is the engineering quality in Hauwei phones like? Never seen one in person. Many of the android devices I have serviced were ok but definitely not as refined as Apple. What I mean by that is android based products more frequently seem to use off the shelf components cobbled together. They work and may even be of better quality but it leads to more points of failure, less optimized for purpose, or simply messy. The other day I repaired an android phone that had series of ribbons connected to fpc connectors on the next ribbon cable connected to another fpc and so on. It is a mess and easily damaged... and even harder to repair.
 
I don't know, what is the engineering quality in Hauwei phones like? Never seen one in person. Many of the android devices I have serviced were ok but definitely not as refined as Apple. What I mean by that is android based products more frequently seem to use off the shelf components cobbled together. They work and may even be of better quality but it leads to more points of failure, less optimized for purpose, or simply messy. The other day I repaired an android phone that had series of ribbons connected to fpc connectors on the next ribbon cable connected to another fpc and so on. It is a mess and easily damaged... and even harder to repair.

Huawei is a good example of a high quality Chinese multinational product: 90% of quality at 70% of the price. If you want that last mile of quality, it will cost you a lot.
 
Windows is an OS, Mac is a piece of hardware.

Perhaps I should have said "Just like volume Windows PCs and premium Macintosh computers..."

It doesn't really matter... the Macintosh is the only type of computer to run MacOS.

But you knew that ;)
 
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A smartphone is a commodity these days. People will say that iPhones have iOS and good apps, blah-blah-blah, but the truth is, a cheap Samsung Galaxy J2 can do nearly everything an iPhone can do. And my crappy old Nokia Lumia 930 can still take better pictures and record shows with better audio quality than an iPhone.
 
In other news, Hyundai sell more cars than Mercedes.
... by selling knockoff Mercedes sedans.
2126412849.

(the black one is Hyundai, white is Mercedes)
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I know, it's XFCE all the way baby!
Gnome 2 was the only "free" desktop environment I ever found usable, and they ditched it. The others are such garbage that I just opt to not install anything and use the command line + X window server.
 
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