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Perhaps you have a perception/misguided belief that only Apple can provide for your needs (which is patently not the case). You could for example use Chromecast devices which cost a lot less money and cast from a Chrome browser, Android or iPad tablet and achieve exactly the same thing. Actually Windows 10 can also mirror faultlessly.

My own view is I don't think you realise what is out there and just how much money you could save. Too many people immerse themselves in one eco system and then stop looking at other options.
The bolded, or perhaps through experience it was learned Apple provides the best solutions for OPs requirements.
 
The bolded, or perhaps through experience it was learned Apple provides the best solutions for OPs requirements.

Well if I only ever look at a BMW without researching other vehicles out there then I'm going to 'believe' that only BMW can meet my needs. That's why I own kit from Windows Apple and Android. I'm savvy enough to know that they can all do a good job for me and I don't have to lock myself into one vendor.
 
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Only you can answer that.


Perhaps you have a perception/misguided belief that only Apple can provide for your needs (which is patently not the case). You could for example use Chromecast devices which cost a lot less money and cast from a Chrome browser, Android or iPad tablet and achieve exactly the same thing. Actually Windows 10 can also mirror faultlessly.

My own view is I don't think you realise what is out there and just how much money you could save. Too many people immerse themselves in one eco system and then stop looking at other options.

Windows 10 has its own issues. It’s not optimised for tablet use, and generally just doesn’t feel as seamless and intuitive to use compared to iOS. I have tried using my HP elite tablet as a tablet and it’s just bad. Not to mention the trackpad is so crappy I all but have to rely on a wireless mouse.

Windows just feels more problematic overall compared to iOS or macOS. That in a nutshell is what I am paying for. An integrated computing experience which just works right out of the box.
 
Only you can answer that.


Perhaps you have a perception/misguided belief that only Apple can provide for your needs (which is patently not the case). You could for example use Chromecast devices which cost a lot less money and cast from a Chrome browser, Android or iPad tablet and achieve exactly the same thing. Actually Windows 10 can also mirror faultlessly.

My own view is I don't think you realise what is out there and just how much money you could save. Too many people immerse themselves in one eco system and then stop looking at other options.
How do we know that they haven’t tried other products and decided that Apple devices work better for them.

I have plenty of non Apple products:

Fire TV and chromecast
Echo dot and google home mini
Samsung Galaxy S9.

I’ve used every generation of Samsung’s phones from the S3 until the S9.

I’ve had 2 different Samsung tablets and both generations of the nexus 7.


I used windows exclusively up until 2015. I’ve even used a chromebook.

So I don’t think I can be accused of not trying other products.

I just prefer Apple devices.

Even amongst the current non Apple devices I have I prefer the Apple alternative.

HomePod over echo and google home
iPhone X over S9 plus
Apple TV over fire tv and chromecast.
 
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And doesn't the Burberry fiasco ably demonstrate that it's all about 'brand perception' and has got little to do with 'the quality of the product'? It's all a game of smoke and mirrors. Talk about a con.

In the case of Burberry, people are paying for exclusivity, not so much the product in itself. I don’t think it’s a con, but it also assumes you know what you are getting yourself into.
 
I love how you minimize known "spyware" like it's no big deal.

If certain questionable apps can make it past Apple’s AppStore vetting process, we know there are vulnerability at every level. I am not going to compare the quantity between platforms and head down a “whataboutism” discussion, the fact being that this exists even with Apple’s approval system sheds light on reality that everything is secure until a vulnerability discovery is revealed. What we know is just the tip of the iceberg, unless you have clearance and work for specific agencies/companies.
 
How do we know that they haven’t tried other products and decided that Apple devices work better for them.

I have plenty of non Apple products:

Fire TV and chromecast
Echo dot and google home mini
Samsung Galaxy S9.

I’ve used every generation of Samsung’s phones from the S3 until the S9.

I’ve had 2 different Samsung tablets and both generations of the nexus 7.


I used windows exclusively up until 2015. I’ve even used a chromebook.

So I don’t think I can be accused of not trying other products.

I just prefer Apple devices.

Even amongst the current non Apple devices I have I prefer the Apple alternative.

HomePod over echo and google home
iPhone X over S9 plus
Apple TV over fire tv and chromecast.

So you do accept then it's simply 'your preference' and not that these other products can't or don't offer you the same functionality. As an example, a couple of Sonos One speakers with Alexa offer greater functionality than the Homepod and a pair can be had for the same price as one Homepod and will offer better audio quality. I know where my money would be spent and it wouldn't be on the HP.
 
Well if I only ever look at a BMW without researching other vehicles out there then I'm going to 'believe' that only BMW can meet my needs. That's why I own kit from Windows Apple and Android. I'm savvy enough to know that they can all do a good job for me and I don't have to lock myself into one vendor.
I don’t know what YOU will or won’t do. All I know is at this point in the conversation you are making stuff up about OPs experiences and what op may or may not have done. It’s true a 550i and a ford pinto share a common trait. They’re people movers, but that’s where it ends.
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So you do accept then it's simply 'your preference' and not that these other products can't or don't offer you the same functionality. As an example, a couple of Sonos One speakers with Alexa offer greater functionality than the Homepod and a pair can be had for the same price as one Homepod and will offer better audio quality. I know where my money would be spent and it wouldn't be on the HP.
Except Alexa doesn’t integrate with the Apple ecosystem and Apple
Music. So yeah if that is what you are basing this “conclusion” on....
 
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I don’t know what YOU will or won’t do. All I know is at this point in the conversation you are making stuff up about OPs experiences and what op may or may not have done. It’s true a 550i and a ford pinto share a common trait. They’re people movers, but that’s where it ends.
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Except Alexa doesn’t integrate with the Apple ecosystem and Apple
Music. So yeah if that is what you are basing this “conclusion” on....

Which is exactly what's holding it back, that and the price. Latest figures show Apple has increased it's Homepod share of the U.S. market to 6% which is tiny compared to the opposition.

Latest figures for iPad show increasing sales. Now what you might ask is driving those sales - yep, it's the lower cost 2018 iPad. This bears out what others have been saying in this thread. A cheaper Apple product gives an almost immediate boost in their sales.

The report reckons the price of the Homepod is what is holding back demand.
 
In other words, you are not sure at all. It is to anyone's guess.

It is written in Aople's privacy statement:

  • When you create an Apple ID, apply for commercial credit, purchase a product, download a software update, register for a class at an Apple Retail Store, connect to our services, contact us or participate in an online survey, we may collect a variety of information, including your name, mailing address, phone number, email address, contact preferences, device identifiers, IP address, location information and credit card information.
How will Apple use your information?

  • We also use personal information to help us create, develop, operate, deliver, and improve our products, services, content and advertising, and for loss prevention and anti-fraud purposes. We may also use your personal information for account and network security purposes, including in order to protect our services for the benefit of all our users. Where we use your information for anti-fraud purposes it arises from the conduct of an online transaction with us. We limit our uses of data for anti-fraud purposes to those which are strictly necessary and within our assessed legitimate interests to protect our customers and our services. For certain online transactions we may also validate the information provided by you with publicly accessible sources.



I will contuine enjoying my P20 and Mate 10.

iPhone has options to opt out or limit ad tracking or reset your advertising identifier.

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Enjoy Huawei.
 
I don’t know what YOU will or won’t do. All I know is at this point in the conversation you are making stuff up about OPs experiences and what op may or may not have done. It’s true a 550i and a ford pinto share a common trait. They’re people movers, but that’s where it ends.
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Except Alexa doesn’t integrate with the Apple ecosystem and Apple
Music. So yeah if that is what you are basing this “conclusion” on....

You make my point admirably, thank you. The answer is don't lock yourself into one eco system thereby limiting your options. See we got there in the end. :)
 
Well if I only ever look at a BMW without researching other vehicles out there then I'm going to 'believe' that only BMW can meet my needs. That's why I own kit from Windows Apple and Android. I'm savvy enough to know that they can all do a good job for me and I don't have to lock myself into one vendor.

A mule and a wagon will get you where you need to be just as well as a bmw.

Sure you might shovel some manure along the way, but your savy enough to know it gets the job down just as good as bmw.
 
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Very difficult to quantify value of iOS vs Android in terms features/functionalities of Huawei mobile and iPhones. Almost both are capable of delivering everything and in some cases, Huawei could do more if not less(for example, bigger screen, RAM, expandable storage, dual SIM).

Let people enjoy whatever they buy or want to buy. No one forcing anyone, isn't?

If Apple can pull out magic by selling lesser than top two yet making huge profits!

Happy iPhone users, happy Apple shareholders and very happy Huawei users.

Some of the android devices are pretty darn good.
These no value in the android platform for me. I am happily entrenched in th Apple ecosystem.
Whether a phone is $1000 or $600 it has to do what I need/want it to do.

Having having my stuff seamlessly accessible across multiple devices has a great deal of value.
Being able to walk into an Apple store, for whatever reason, has value.
Calling Apple support and driving situations to a quick resolution has an emmence amount of value.

It all comes to with a price. And it’s a price I am willing to pay. OMMV
 
So you do accept then it's simply 'your preference' and not that these other products can't or don't offer you the same functionality. As an example, a couple of Sonos One speakers with Alexa offer greater functionality than the Homepod and a pair can be had for the same price as one Homepod and will offer better audio quality. I know where my money would be spent and it wouldn't be on the HP.
Yes the HomePod doesn’t have as navy features as other smart speakers but being that I have lots of Apple devices it suits my needs better.

The google home whilst smarter can’t set my calendar events or send what’s app messages. It won’t play my Apple Music and it doesn’t sound as good. Alexa also can’t read me my notifications or send my messages.

The chromecast whilst it’s good for £20 it doesn’t play the vast library of movies and TV shows I’ve bought from iTunes over the years.

The S9 plus, as great as it is doesn’t integrate with any of my other Apple devices.
 
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A mule and a wagon will get you where you need to be just as well as a bmw.

Sure you might shovel some manure along the way, but your savy enough to know it gets the job down just as good as bmw.
No it wouldn't perform the task equally whereas the tech products I refer to do.

The words clutching and straws springs to mind with your increasingly desperate replies. Why you keep responding on other posters behalf is something of a mystery.
 
You make my point admirably, thank you. The answer is don't lock yourself into one eco system thereby limiting your options. See we got there in the end. :)
And in the process, you lose out on the integration benefits.

For example, I could use a pebble watch with my iPhone, but then I miss out on the apple watch's native integration with iOS (advantages include Apple Pay support, Siri on the wrist and actionable notifications).

Using all apple devices mean I can airdrop files left and right. Having an iPhone and iPad means getting to share apps (ie: pay once to be able to download the same app for both devices). Apple Music has Siri integration, as well as being available on the Apple Watch and Apple TV (which in turn supports airplay). Not to mention AirPods makes it easy to switch between all my devices.

My experience is that Apple tends to offer its users one way of getting things done, but it's a darn optimised one, and if you are willing to do things "the Apple way", it's actually a pretty good way to live assuming your needs happen to be in line with the experience Apple wants you to have.

That's me in a nutshell. I don't need 10 subpar ways of getting things done. Just one good way.
 
Which is exactly what's holding it back, that and the price. Latest figures show Apple has increased it's Homepod share of the U.S. market to 6% which is tiny compared to the opposition.

Latest figures for iPad show increasing sales. Now what you might ask is driving those sales - yep, it's the lower cost 2018 iPad. This bears out what others have been saying in this thread. A cheaper Apple product gives an almost immediate boost in their sales.

The report reckons the price of the Homepod is what is holding back demand.
The HomePod needs time to gain traction. Everyone said the Apple Watch was a big flop and was too expensive but look at it now. Apple own the smart watch market. I think the HomePod will be a slow burner like the Apple Watch.
 
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Only you can answer that.


Perhaps you have a perception/misguided belief that only Apple can provide for your needs (which is patently not the case). You could for example use Chromecast devices which cost a lot less money and cast from a Chrome browser, Android or iPad tablet and achieve exactly the same thing. Actually Windows 10 can also mirror faultlessly.

My own view is I don't think you realise what is out there and just how much money you could save. Too many people immerse themselves in one eco system and then stop looking at other options.

That's the reason I force myself in and out of all ecosystems to ensure I am ok with changing my loyalty without losing my data, other conveniences.

It may not be perfect but I have learnt to live at with the short comings than entirely friend on it.
 
You make my point admirably, thank you. The answer is don't lock yourself into one eco system thereby limiting your options. See we got there in the end. :)
Some people like being in the ecosystem and don’t see themselves as locked in. Have you ever thought of that.
 
Which is exactly what's holding it back, that and the price. Latest figures show Apple has increased it's Homepod share of the U.S. market to 6% which is tiny compared to the opposition.

Latest figures for iPad show increasing sales. Now what you might ask is driving those sales - yep, it's the lower cost 2018 iPad. This bears out what others have been saying in this thread. A cheaper Apple product gives an almost immediate boost in their sales.

The report reckons the price of the Homepod is what is holding back demand.
Is this why there is a two year waiting list I. $250k Ferraris’? Because of the cheap price.?

Apple will not produce “cheap” products. The one size fits all SJ era is over and Apple will have quality products across varying price points.
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That's the reason I force myself in and out of all ecosystems to ensure I am ok with changing my loyalty without losing my data, other conveniences.

It may not be perfect but I have learnt to live at with the short comings than entirely friend on it.
So basically google and Dropbox? Locked into to those two instead onapple?
 
Yes the HomePod doesn’t have as navy features as other smart speakers but being that I have lots of Apple devices it suits my needs better.

The google home whilst smarter can’t set my calendar events or send what’s app messages. It won’t play my Apple Music and it doesn’t sound as good. Alexa also can’t read me my notifications or send my messages.

The chromecast whilst it’s good for £20 it doesn’t play the vast library of movies and TV shows I’ve bought from iTunes over the years.

The S9 plus, as great as it is doesn’t integrate with any of my other Apple devices.

It appears you have made many of the same mistakes I myself made i.e. getting to deep into the Apple eco system.

I saw a few years back where this was leading and so bit the bullet and started to cast my net wider e.g. bought a couple of Chromecast, purchased some movies from Google Play, bought an Android phone as well as my iPhone and built a high spec Windows 10 PC.

Never again will I put all my eggs in one basket. This has given me a much wider range of options and prices.

Everyone makes their own choices but I do think it a mistake to limit your options.
 
And in the process, you lose out on the integration benefits.

For example, I could use a pebble watch with my iPhone, but then I miss out on the apple watch's native integration with iOS (advantages include Apple Pay support, Siri on the wrist and actionable notifications).

Using all apple devices mean I can airdrop files left and right. Having an iPhone and iPad means getting to share apps (ie: pay once to be able to download the same app for both devices). Apple Music has Siri integration, as well as being available on the Apple Watch and Apple TV (which in turn supports airplay). Not to mention AirPods makes it easy to switch between all my devices.

My experience is that Apple tends to offer its users one way of getting things done, but it's a darn optimised one, and if you are willing to do things "the Apple way", it's actually a pretty good way to live assuming your needs happen to be in line with the experience Apple wants you to have.

That's me in a nutshell. I don't need 10 subpar ways of getting things done. Just one good way.

Apple gives you what you want, fine. But to say others are subpar just sounds a bit ignorant. And yes, we can do what you described without the need to pay for overpriced hardware and be locked in to a inflexible proprietary ecosystem
 
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