Huawei Surpasses Apple to Become #2 Worldwide Smartphone Vendor in Q2 2018

[Abazigal]

Please provide the source for your assertion.

My own personal experience isn’t good enough for you?

I will formulate a longer response later when I get home, but the short story is that I got a windows tablet PC issued for work a few months back, and the honeymoon period seems to be wearing off, with all manner of problems cropping up. Wifi connectivity issues, got locked out of my account yesterday and today, my device was stuck in a reboot loop while planning relief. I ended up doing it on my iPad. Google docs on iPad sucks, but better than a PC I can’t use at all.

Makes me remember why I left windows for macOS so many moons back.

 

[9081094]

Apple most certainly isn’t holding a gun to my head and forcing me to buy their products for one.

I do so because while they cost more upfront, they more than pay for themselves in the form of greater productivity and fewer problems overall.

Apparently, in the land of the haters, this makes me a “sheep”.

I had my share of problems with Apple lately and I’m not the only one. Buggy unreliable software and sealed outdated hardware. They’d years in perfecting it but the updates of their hard- and software are incrementally to say it politely.

 

[FFR]

May be so, but as a consumer buying Apple product contributing 90% profit is not something to boost.

Do you understand profit share?

As a consumer it’s best to avoid businesses that are unable to make any money, they are the first to go out of business.

Whereas, smart Huawei buyers getting the best value for money while keeping the most in their wallet makes them even smarter.

Only Apple shareholders can feel happy about these numbers!

You sound a lot like the ex BlackBerry/Nokia/Motorola/HTC fan.

They said the exact same thing, about value and being smart.

Smart and cheap do not go together, and never amounts to any value in the end.

There is an old adage You get what you pay for.

“Android OEMs lie about security patches on software updates”

“We found several vendors that didn’t install a single patch but changed the patch date forward by several months,”

https://pocketnow.com/android-oems-lie-about-security-patches-on-software-updates

Great value at the expense of security /s.

 

[Shanghaichica]

My own personal experience isn’t good enough for you?

I will formulate a longer response later when I get home, but the short story is that I got a windows tablet PC issued for work a few months back, and the honeymoon period seems to be wearing off, with all manner of problems cropping up. Wifi connectivity issues, got locked out of my account yesterday and today, my device was stuck in a reboot loop while planning relief. I ended up doing it on my iPad. Google docs on iPad sucks, but better than a PC I can’t use at all.

Makes me remember why I left windows for macOS so many moons back.

Windows is a pile of poop. I see things still haven't changed. I'd rather spend more money on a mac and then not have to worry about it, than spend less on a windows laptop and be constantly troubleshooting things.

I guess it's different strokes for different folks. I know people who say macs are over priced but then are always whinging about having to fix one thing or another. I think some people like tinkering and troubleshooting.

 

[Lankyman]

My own personal experience isn’t good enough for you?

I will formulate a longer response later when I get home, but the short story is that I got a windows tablet PC issued for work a few months back, and the honeymoon period seems to be wearing off, with all manner of problems cropping up. Wifi connectivity issues, got locked out of my account yesterday and today, my device was stuck in a reboot loop while planning relief. I ended up doing it on my iPad. Google docs on iPad sucks, but better than a PC I can’t use at all.

Makes me remember why I left windows for macOS so many moons back.

Sounds to me like a workman blaming his tools again.

I've been working on computers since the early nineties both Mac and Windows and have never experienced issues with either.

I find when repairing/sorting out problems with people's computers 99% of issues are down to ignorance/incompetence or a combination of the two. That applies to Windows/MacOS, iOS or Android.

However, people being people, it's never them who are to blame, it's always 'this or that being rubbish'.
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Windows is a pile of poop. I see things still haven't changed. I'd rather spend more money on a mac and then not have to worry about it, than spend less on a windows laptop and be constantly troubleshooting things.

I guess it's different strokes for different folks. I know people who say macs are over priced but then are always whinging about having to fix one thing or another. I think some people like tinkering and troubleshooting.

And yet the global economy works on Windows. I guess the rest of the world must be wrong/deluded and the people on this forum right?

Most pundits and professional reviewers now readily write that Windows 10 is a fine OS - go figure.

 

[Abazigal]

Sounds to me like a workman blaming his tools again.

I've been working on computers since the early nineties both Mac and Windows and have never experienced issues with either.

I find when repairing/sorting out problems with people's computers 99% of issues are down to ignorance/incompetence or a combination of the two. That applies to Windows/MacOS, iOS or Android.

However, people being people, it's never them who are to blame, it's always 'this or that being rubbish'.
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And yet the global economy works on Windows. I guess the rest of the world must be wrong/deluded and the people on this forum right?

Most pundits and professional reviewers now readily write that Windows 10 is a fine OS - go figure.

Well, I don’t presume to speak for the rest of the world. Call it denial or incompetence or whatever you will. I just know what works for me and what doesn’t. And my Apple devices have by far and large given me way fewer problems than windows computers. And that’s why I see myself staying a loyal Apple customer for a good many years to come.

You vote with your wallet, I vote with mine, the whole world has, and the financials speak for themselves.

 

[Lankyman]

Well, I don’t presume to speak for the rest of the world. Call it denial or incompetence or whatever you will. I just know what works for me and what doesn’t. And my Apple devices have by far and large given me way fewer problems than windows computers. And that’s why I see myself staying a loyal Apple customer for a good many years to come.

You vote with your wallet, I vote with mine, the whole world has, and the financials speak for themselves.

I have lots of Apple kit. However, I don't blindly follow Apple and think nothing else is good enough. I also have two Windows 10 PCs (one I build myself) plus Android and iOS. There is none of them that work better or work poorer than the others. They are all equally competent and enjoyable to use.

All this 'a is better than b' rubbish is tedious and let's be honest belongs in a school playground.

 

[Abazigal]

I have lots of Apple kit. However, I don't blindly follow Apple and think nothing else is good enough. I also have two Windows 10 PCs (one I build myself) plus Android and iOS. There is none of them that work better or work poorer than the others. They are all equally competent and enjoyable to use.

All this 'a is better than b' rubbish is tedious and let's be honest belongs in a school playground.

Well, why else would I choose to use one product over another if not because it is better at the things I need it to do for me?

Why would I spend my own money purchasing multiple Apple TVs and hdmi cables to kit out my classrooms so I can mirror my iPad to the projector screen if the iPad didn’t offer a better user experience or meet my needs better than the windows laptop issued to me by my school?

That’s what makes Apple so successful. They make a differentiated user experience though their control over hardware, software and services which enough people are willing to pay a premium for. And enough people have to make Apple so very successful.

 

[LovingTeddy]

Because there has been nothing to say that there is. There was this whole big deal when the FBI wanted Apple to create one and they refused. Apple’s entire reputation is built on privacy and they would not risk that. Until proven otherwise, I have no reason to believe that there is. Now this is very different than Huawei’s stance, they tell you right in their privacy policy that they can steal all of your information.

In other words, you are not sure at all. It is to anyone's guess.

It is written in Aople's privacy statement:

• When you create an Apple ID, apply for commercial credit, purchase a product, download a software update, register for a class at an Apple Retail Store, connect to our services, contact us or participate in an online survey, we may collect a variety of information, including your name, mailing address, phone number, email address, contact preferences, device identifiers, IP address, location information and credit card information.

How will Apple use your information?

• We also use personal information to help us create, develop, operate, deliver, and improve our products, services, content and advertising, and for loss prevention and anti-fraud purposes. We may also use your personal information for account and network security purposes, including in order to protect our services for the benefit of all our users. Where we use your information for anti-fraud purposes it arises from the conduct of an online transaction with us. We limit our uses of data for anti-fraud purposes to those which are strictly necessary and within our assessed legitimate interests to protect our customers and our services. For certain online transactions we may also validate the information provided by you with publicly accessible sources.

I will contuine enjoying my P20 and Mate 10.

 

[Abazigal]

I will contuine enjoying my P20 and Mate 10.

Wouldn’t have it any other way.

 

[I7guy]

Please provide the source for your assertion.

It’s an opinion that does not have to be cited.
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Yeah profit margin has nothing to do with the consumer at all. Its an stupid argument and makes it irrelevant

So you agree the number of units sold, as cited in the headline is irrelevant?

 

[DNichter]

In other words, you are not sure at all. It is to anyone's guess.

It is written in Aople's privacy statement:

• When you create an Apple ID, apply for commercial credit, purchase a product, download a software update, register for a class at an Apple Retail Store, connect to our services, contact us or participate in an online survey, we may collect a variety of information, including your name, mailing address, phone number, email address, contact preferences, device identifiers, IP address, location information and credit card information.

How will Apple use your information?

• We also use personal information to help us create, develop, operate, deliver, and improve our products, services, content and advertising, and for loss prevention and anti-fraud purposes. We may also use your personal information for account and network security purposes, including in order to protect our services for the benefit of all our users. Where we use your information for anti-fraud purposes it arises from the conduct of an online transaction with us. We limit our uses of data for anti-fraud purposes to those which are strictly necessary and within our assessed legitimate interests to protect our customers and our services. For certain online transactions we may also validate the information provided by you with publicly accessible sources.

I will contuine enjoying my P20 and Mate 10.

Yes, I trust Apple over the Chinese government. What you prefer is totally up to you.

 

[LovingTeddy]

Yes, I trust Apple over the Chinese government. What you prefer is totally up to you.

To the opposite, I am worrying more about NSA and made in USA more than made in China. After all, I am living in North America, where the US and its five eye allies.

I don't remotely care if Chinese government have my information. US government is what I should worry about

 

[Ramchi]

Who do you think is more likely to stay around in business?

Apple’s profits are why we get nice things like the Apple Watch and Airpods and custom technology like the W1 chip and A-series processors.

I see no shame in this. It’s my money, and I will spend it as I deem fit.

I think it says a lot when there is no shortage of people willing to pay the high prices Apple demands. We should be analysing and explaining Apple’s success here, not explaining it away.

I think Huawei will stay in the business so long they have such a huge market and consumers to serve just like Apple.

Billion dollars consumer centric enterprises such as Huawei will be there long enough to serve. They are doing great even without entering or penetrating (due to regulatory reasons) major market such as US.

As a consumer I don't care about profits. I look at their products, capabilities, quality most IMPORTANT, value for money, which according to the report most of the people in earth agree (second next to Samsung). Nothing is lost in this aspect for Apple, they are proud THIRD in the race.

 

[Lankyman]

Most Europeans are baffled and bemused by the paranoia of U.S. citizens about perceived security risks. Listen folks, if the Chinese government want to spy on me, well they don't need too, they can give me a call and I'll happily let them take a look at my personal data. My life's an open book, boring but open.

Get a grip people, what are you all hiding?

 

[Ramchi]

You would be correct if everyone used their phones the same way.

i Know many people that find a great deal of value with Apple products and services.
Others I know do.

Value of a device has many variables.

Very difficult to quantify value of iOS vs Android in terms features/functionalities of Huawei mobile and iPhones. Almost both are capable of delivering everything and in some cases, Huawei could do more if not less(for example, bigger screen, RAM, expandable storage, dual SIM).

Let people enjoy whatever they buy or want to buy. No one forcing anyone, isn't?

If Apple can pull out magic by selling lesser than top two yet making huge profits!

Happy iPhone users, happy Apple shareholders and very happy Huawei users.

 

[Lankyman]

It’s an opinion that does not have to be cited.

I have no problem with people citing 'their opinions'. I do however object when their opinions are presented in the form of 'bona fides facts'.

 

[somethingelsefl]

Not going to argue if there is spyware on foreign devices, however how do you know for sure that there is no NSA spyware on Apple devices. Just saying if I was a foreign consumer purchasing an Apple product manufactured in China for an American company and sold in this example China, should I not be suspect of Apple.

How do we really know that there is no "zero-day" type of trojan in iOS, considering one can circumvent via jailbreaks.

I love how you minimize known "spyware" like it's no big deal.

 

[antonis]

I don't think Apple copied it. They just implemented it as an inevitable evolution of the smartphone camera.

Inevitable ? I’m sure Google that still uses only a single camera and still beating Apple and everyone else, would disagree.

 

[Shanghaichica]

I don't think Apple copied it. They just implemented it as an inevitable evolution of the smartphone camera.

Yep it’s just inevitable evolution. Anyone but Apple does it and they are copying Apple c

 

[chagla]

Not everyone can afford $700+ dollar phones, Apple has tried with the iPhone SE but they need to lower the price abit/add more features to entice people in developing countries.

They certainly can and STILL make profit but it's all about brand and perception. If Apple sells for cheap, it will devalue their other offerings and people will start to question pricing. Burberry just destroyed $28m worth unsold goods rather than selling them at a discount.

 

[Lankyman]

Well, why else would I choose to use one product over another if not because it is better at the things I need it to do for me?

Only you can answer that.

Why would I spend my own money purchasing multiple Apple TVs and hdmi cables to kit out my classrooms so I can mirror my iPad to the projector screen if the iPad didn’t offer a better user experience or meet my needs better than the windows laptop issued to me by my school?

Perhaps you have a perception/misguided belief that only Apple can provide for your needs (which is patently not the case). You could for example use Chromecast devices which cost a lot less money and cast from a Chrome browser, Android or iPad tablet and achieve exactly the same thing. Actually Windows 10 can also mirror faultlessly.

My own view is I don't think you realise what is out there and just how much money you could save. Too many people immerse themselves in one eco system and then stop looking at other options.

 

[LordVic]

They certainly can and STILL make profit but it's all about brand and perception. If Apple sells for cheap, it will devalue their other offerings and people will start to question pricing. Burberry just destroyed $28m worth unsold goods rather than selling them at a discount.

There's balance though. if they keep driving the price upwards, they do run the risk of pushing potential, or existing customers out if people stop seeing enough value to the price (And that's subjective to the user).

using the Q3 results as barometer, this may have already happened on small scale: The iPhone volume did not grow. While revenues did, indicating that there was little to no growth in volume, and revenues were pushed up by the increase in prices. It's possible and reasonable to speculate that further price increases may further decrease demand (economics 101). So while sales were relatively flat last quarter, what happens if they decline?

There's something to be said for an "entry level" price point that is affordable by the masses. it gives ease of entry for those who wouldn't otherwise wish. Apple could desire to be like a burberry, sacks or other boutique high end brand, But they're not dealing in fashion industry, but the tech industry. Tech industry, especially consumer tech industry is extremely fickle. If you don't have something people can afford, they will go elsewhere.

I'm very curious tos ee what the "SE" replacement will be. In this day of age, selling only $700+ phones, while there's dozens of options from the competition that's available for as low as $150, and very good quality devices available for $500, Apple could be putting "Brand image" a little too far ahead of themselves.

But hey, i'm just an armchair CEO

 

[I7guy]

I have no problem with people citing 'their opinions'. I do however object when their opinions are presented in the form of 'bona fides facts'.

That was pretty obvious the OPs @Abazigal discussion points (except Apple running away with the profits) were all opinion. Obviously customers are buying products and using Apple services.

 

[Lankyman]

They certainly can and STILL make profit but it's all about brand and perception. If Apple sells for cheap, it will devalue their other offerings and people will start to question pricing. Burberry just destroyed $28m worth unsold goods rather than selling them at a discount.

And doesn't the Burberry fiasco ably demonstrate that it's all about 'brand perception' and has got little to do with 'the quality of the product'? It's all a game of smoke and mirrors. Talk about a con.