Huawei Surpasses Apple to Become #2 Worldwide Smartphone Vendor in Q2 2018

[fairuz]

Not to the same extent, however it still exists. This is like comparing N.Korea to China as far as censorship and propaganda goes. Some countries go to extremes while others test the waters. It all depends who the comparison is made between.

Yes, I've seen some non-Internet censorship in the US, but it's rare. People here are very vigilant about that because it's illegal. Much more likely that the corporate world will soft-censor you, like social media, but that's totally allowed.

In Europe and the UK the government is actually pretty blatant about censorship, with laws explicitly banning certain points of view (and you know about Muslim clothing in France), so they're definitely on the slippery slope but luckily haven't gotten too bad yet. I don't remember which countries there have some higher law protecting free speech, but I think the UK and France don't have one.

 

[Applemaniac7]

that's because everyone is waiting for the next iPhone.

If everyone means 9% of the market, then yes every one is.....

 

[Lankyman]

The reason to cite for banning sale is the blatant and long-repeated IP theft. Unless the US and UK are just enemies now, which I hope not. Last I heard about Huawei was when their routers were banned here because they ran stolen Cisco firmware, now I'm suddenly hearing that they sell phones that look identical to iPhones.

What can I say? My previous post stands and the UK national carrier use huge amounts of Hauwei modems in the fibre street cabinets. They tend to be the go to company in Europe.

I have iPhone 7, plus iPad, ATV etc. but have put both Hauwei and OnePlus on my shopping list when looking for my next smartphone. What’s not to like.

 

[fairuz]

I don’t think you understand the term profiteering.

Is apple extorting you?

Heh. Classic, people here complaining about being forced into buying brand new, high-priced Apple products to be part of the ecosystem with a minority market share.
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What can I say? My previous post stands and the UK national carrier use huge amounts of Hauwei modems in the fibre street cabinets. They tend to be the go to company in Europe.

I have iPhone 7, plus iPad, ATV etc. but have put both Hauwei and OnePlus on my shopping list when looking for my next smartphone. What’s not to like.

As a consumer, there's plenty to like, and I don't blame you. Between governments with international trade agreements, there's supposed to be solidarity against those who violate the laws they've agreed upon.

 

[Lankyman]

They need to focus on India, Africa and China?
You have absolutely no idea what your talking about

iPhone X is the best selling phone in China since it launched.

Apple owns 16% of the premium smartphone market in India, and that’s was during its slowest quarter of the year. Oppo is number 1 with 34% of the premium smartphone market.

Talking about lack of growth during the quarter before 2018 iPhone launch. Smh.

Actually to put it into some perspective the last figures I saw showed iOS with 14.1% market share whilst Android were on 85.9%.

 

[FFR]

Actually to put it into some perspective the last figures I saw showed iOS with 14.1% market share whilst Android were on 85.9%.

What perspective?

 

[Lankyman]

What perspective?

You were the one quoting percentage market share in various countries for the iPhone. I have simply added some balance.

 

[FFR]

You were the one quoting percentage market share in various countries for the iPhone. I have simply added some balance.

Are you posting global figures, quarterly figures, Sell through/sell in market share?

Care to provide some context to what your posting.

Your balance / perspective is kind of lacking.

Yes what I was posting was in response to another poster that was just making things up.

 

[Lankyman]

Are you posting global figures, quarterly figures, Sell through/sell in market share?

Care to provide some context to what your posting.

Your balance / perspective is kind of lacking.

Yes what I was posting was in response to another poster that was just making things up.

There you go - https://www.statista.com/statistics/266136/global-market-share-held-by-smartphone-operating-systems/

 

[FFR]

There you go - https://www.statista.com/statistics/266136/global-market-share-held-by-smartphone-operating-systems/

Ok so what’s about the global market share are you trying to balance/perspective?

 

[Lankyman]

Ok so what’s about the global market share are you trying to balance/perspective?

Oh dear this is like trying to plait fog, I will leave you to mull it over.

 

[FFR]

Oh dear this is like trying to plait fog, I will leave you to mull it over.

That’s because your posting numbers without understanding then

While Apple might represent 14% market share they acutely command 90% of the profit-share for the industry. Let the sink in for a minute.

Here is some perspective for you:
If you look at market share of devices over $700, Apple completely dominates android.

Huawei included.

 

[Abazigal]

I don’t think you understand the term profiteering.

Is apple extorting you?

Apple most certainly isn’t holding a gun to my head and forcing me to buy their products for one.

I do so because while they cost more upfront, they more than pay for themselves in the form of greater productivity and fewer problems overall.

Apparently, in the land of the haters, this makes me a “sheep”.

 

[I7guy]

There you go - https://www.statista.com/statistics/266136/global-market-share-held-by-smartphone-operating-systems/

The comparison should be between models, not o/s. O/s is not relevant to a discussion about one manufacturer.

 

[FFR]

The comparison should be between models, not o/s. O/s is not relevant to a discussion about one manufacturer.

But he is trying to offer balance and perspective.

You know because he claims Apple is extorting him.

 

[LovingTeddy]

You clearly don't, that's fine too. Enjoy your Huawei then.

You are not answering the question. Why do you think there is no backdoor in iOS devices? How are you so sure when you using iPhone, you are not expose to governments?

 

[Quu]

Did you goto Wharton business school

Yes I did and I'm the CEO of the company I founded.

 

[DNichter]

You are not answering the question. Why do you think there is no backdoor in iOS devices? How are you so sure when you using iPhone, you are not expose to governments?

Because there has been nothing to say that there is. There was this whole big deal when the FBI wanted Apple to create one and they refused. Apple’s entire reputation is built on privacy and they would not risk that. Until proven otherwise, I have no reason to believe that there is. Now this is very different than Huawei’s stance, they tell you right in their privacy policy that they can steal all of your information.

 

[Ramchi]

That’s because your posting numbers without understanding then

While Apple might represent 14% market share they acutely command 90% of the profit-share for the industry. Let the sink in for a minute.

Here is some perspective for you:
If you look at market share of devices over $700, Apple completely dominates android.

Huawei included.

May be so, but as a consumer buying Apple product contributing 90% profit is not something to boost. Whereas, smart Huawei buyers getting the best value for money while keeping the most in their wallet makes them even smarter.

Only Apple shareholders can feel happy about these numbers!

 

[Michael Scrip]

May be so, but as a consumer buying Apple product contributing 90% profit is not something to boost. Whereas, smart Huawei buyers getting the best value for money while keeping the most in their wallet makes them even smarter.

Only Apple shareholders can feel happy about these numbers!

Yeah... it seems silly to brag about one company getting 90% of the profits in the industry.

But doesn't it say more about the other companies who are getting so little of the profits?

I mean... there are a hundred companies selling Android phones. What are they all doing wrong?

Apparently you sell a product with a high margin... and you sell a lot of them. There... I just figured it out. It's not a secret anymore. Why can't anyone else do that?

Maybe Apple isn't really good at business... but everyone else is just so bad at it?

Is there any other industry where a company with the minority of sales gets the majority of profits?

It would be like Honda getting 90% of the automobile profits even though they only sell 12% of all cars. That would be weird, right?

 

[bruinsrme]

May be so, but as a consumer buying Apple product contributing 90% profit is not something to boost. Whereas, smart Huawei buyers getting the best value for money while keeping the most in their wallet makes them even smarter.

Only Apple shareholders can feel happy about these numbers!

You would be correct if everyone used their phones the same way.

i Know many people that find a great deal of value with Apple products and services.
Others I know do.

Value of a device has many variables.

 

[bobenhaus]

That’s what I’m saying. Market share, revenues and profits are irrelevant to product purchasers unless one likes to feel the same or different. It only matters in discussions such as what regularly occurs within these boards.

Yeah profit margin has nothing to do with the consumer at all. Its an stupid argument and makes it irrelevant

 

[Abazigal]

May be so, but as a consumer buying Apple product contributing 90% profit is not something to boost. Whereas, smart Huawei buyers getting the best value for money while keeping the most in their wallet makes them even smarter.

Only Apple shareholders can feel happy about these numbers!

Who do you think is more likely to stay around in business?

Apple’s profits are why we get nice things like the Apple Watch and Airpods and custom technology like the W1 chip and A-series processors.

I see no shame in this. It’s my money, and I will spend it as I deem fit.

I think it says a lot when there is no shortage of people willing to pay the high prices Apple demands. We should be analysing and explaining Apple’s success here, not explaining it away.

 

[dollystereo]

This is just ignorant. Huawei actually spends 1.5 times more on R&D than Apple ($15B vs $10B).

Actually Huawei is a company that is in a lot of different markets, for instance, in solar energy they are world leaders (inverters).

 

[Lankyman]

Apple most certainly isn’t holding a gun to my head and forcing me to buy their products for one.

I do so because while they cost more upfront, they more than pay for themselves in the form of greater productivity and fewer problems overall.

Please provide the source for your assertion.