Huawei Unveils $2,600 Foldable 'Mate X' Smartphone to Rival Samsung's Galaxy Fold

[Baymowe335]

Yep, it's your contention. I can see this being useful, especially for people who are constantly on the go. For example: Imagine being able to take one device with you on an airplane and being forced to watch a movie on a small, relatively speaking, phone sized screen. When done fold it up and put it in your pocket.

Yeah, and it’s twice as thick in your pocket and has a plastic screen.

 

[mattster16]

Notice the quotation marks you put around the word crease? Go back and re-read my comments paying particular attention to what I placed around that same word.

The fact that you think you’re making some kind of air tight argument is the best part of this thread.

 

[nviz22]

I am curious to see how much more cost effective folding screen devices will be say 3 years from now?

 

[mattster16]

I don’t think they want to read what you’re saying. I see a bunch of people upset that Apple didn’t get to it first and who therefore are telling themselves (maybe correctly, maybe not) in order to avoid the cognitive dissonance that it’s OK because Apple will do it better.

Happens every time.

I don’t really give a crap about what Apple does or doesn’t do first. They don’t do a lot of things first and I’m the first person to admit it. I just think Huawei’s phone looks like s***, especially for the price. Samsung’s probably looks better in terms of the display, but it’s hard to know yet since we haven’t seen any good non-Samsung promotional materials showcasing it.

 

[pl1984]

I just gave you three examples of you defending this phone, and you failed to rebut all three. “I know you are but what am I” is not as effective a counter argument as you apparently think. You were doing better with “nanny nanny boo boo”.

I didn't rebut them because they weren't examples. Now what was that about realizing when it was time to stop digging?
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They could have just as easily kept the top black bezel fully across the top of the phone. They decided to extend the display vertically on the sides of the notch. They didn’t have to do that and it likely cost them more to do it. You think the notch just happened by accident? It was a design choice.

But then they couldn't pretend they offered a full edge to edge display.
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The fact that you think you’re making some kind of air tight argument is the best part of this thread.

Huh?

 

[john123]

You don’t see the difference between an ugly asymmetric wrinkle down the middle of the entire screen and a notch that doesn’t get in the way of content at all? Why are you so eager to defend this thing as if it’s the perfect implementation of foldable screen technology? That day will come, but this surely isn’t it.

I did no such thing. Stop twisting my words.

The notch DOES get in the way. That’s a fact. It might not be important to you. It might have minimal impact on your personal usage. But to imply it has zero impact is disingenuous.

And that’s why this is so funny. You're ready to criticize a device you’ve never seen with your own eyes. While pretending another device criticized for a nearly identical issue had no tradeoff or compromise.

This leaves one inescapable conclusion.

 

[jarman92]

Most Americans are so naive. Can't blame them for the US mass media is hyper patriotic (just like it is everywhere, admittedly). Here are a few interesting facts for you:

Snowden: The NSA planted backdoors in Cisco products
NSA Spied on Chinese Government and Networking Firm (Huawei)

So, ironically we do not have any evidence of Huawei spying on anyone but we do have evidence of USA spying on Huawei.

First of all, none of that is "evidence" of anything, per se; it's the word of one guy who has given manifestly incorrect information on multiple occasions.

And even if that were true it still doesn't compare because Cisco isn't involved in the alleged espionage and Cisco doesn't do the bidding of the US government.

We have mountains of evidence that Chinese companies steal the IP of US companies on an almost daily basis. The DOJ has also caught and prosecuted numerous Chinese spies working for large American companies.

 

[coolfactor]

Impressive first impression. Too bad they still have bad business principles.

 

[mattster16]

I did no such thing. Stop twisting my words.

The notch DOES get in the way. That’s a fact. It might not be important to you. It might have minimal impact on your personal usage. But to imply it has zero impact is disingenuous.

And that’s why this is so funny. You're ready to criticize a device you’ve never seen with your own eyes. While pretending another device criticized for a nearly identical issue had no tradeoff or compromise.

This leaves one inescapable conclusion.

You can literally see the defect in the device with your own eyes in the video. Also, are you realy trying to say screen distortion and notch on the iPhone are “nearly identical”?

 

[PickUrPoison]

I didn't rebut them because they weren't examples. Now what was that about realizing when it was time to stop digging?

If you don’t agree those three examples were evidence of you defending this phone, feel free to provide a rebuttal to one or all of them. “Nuh uh” is not as effective a counter argument as you apparently think it is.

Here’s a fourth example of you defending this phone:

@DNichter: I don’t like that crease on the display.

You: “If it doesn't interfere with the image or operation of the device then I don't see it as an issue.”

Me: Why are you trying so hard to defend this phone?

 

[john123]

They could have just as easily kept the top black bezel fully across the top of the phone. They decided to extend the display vertically on the sides of the notch. They didn’t have to do that and it likely cost them more to do it. You think the notch just happened by accident? It was a design choice.

More twisting. So let's be clear here.

When you said, "The notch is a deliberate design decision. Also a branding decision because it distinguishes the phone as an iPhone." you tried to cast the notch as a positive "design decision."

Choosing between Bad Option A and Bad Option B is not the same as "Option A is a great design!", the latter of which is what you were clearly trying to imply — otherwise you wouldn't have even uttered that "branding decision" nonsense.

 

[Bin Cook]

Certain manufacturers shipping any old crap just to be first. You would have to be an idiot to part with £2000 for this (or the Samsung thing).

It’s a shame Apple is sitting on the Micro LED tech to avoid cannibalising iPad sales - as much as Tim is a div, you know it would knock spots of this nonsense.

 

[Kai Wang]

This looks like something I might actually want to use. Seriously, this looks like a proper product while the Samsung Fold kinda looks like a half baked prototype. Of course the prices are in the stratosphere, but it'll come down over time (I hope lol)

 

[john123]

You can literally see the defect in the device with your own eyes in the video. Also, are you realy trying to say screen distortion and notch on the iPhone are “nearly identical”?

Wait. It's not a defect. It's a "design decision"!



And yes, I am indeed saying they are the same. You're talking out of both sides of your mouth. I'm not.

For about the 10th time here: I think both the notch and the crease/wrinkle/shimmer/what-have-you are not ideal. I think some users will care about those things more than others. I think people will assess the relative tradeoffs and make product purchasing decisions accordingly.

This shouldn't even be a matter of debate. The mental gymnastics you people are going to and the word twisting are just insane.

 

[pl1984]

If you don’t agree those three examples were evidence of you defending this phone, feel free to refute one or all of them. “Nuh uh” is not as effective a counter argument as you apparently think it is.

I already told you that those aren't examples of defending the device. You then responded with "Yes they are". To which I responded with “Nuh uh”. Do you know why I responded with nuh uh and nanny, nanny, boo boo? Because I would restate they're not examples and you would (and did) respond with yes they are. And here were are with no they aren't, yes they are, no they aren't, yes they are. The nuh uh and nanny, nanny, boo boo were just foreshadowing of the childish argument that was to come. Yet here we are.
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You can literally see the defect in the device with your own eyes in the video. Also, are you realy trying to say screen distortion and notch on the iPhone are “nearly identical”?

You have yet to demonstrate there is any distortion. Seeing a "crease" is not the same thing as being defective.

 

[mattster16]

More twisting. So let's be clear here.

When you said, "The notch is a deliberate design decision. Also a branding decision because it distinguishes the phone as an iPhone." you tried to cast the notch as a positive "design decision."

Choosing between Bad Option A and Bad Option B is not the same as "Option A is a great design!", the latter of which is what you were clearly trying to imply — otherwise you wouldn't have even uttered that "branding decision" nonsense.

I read an interview long ago (I have no idea where) with an Apple designer who was discussing the notch. They talked about the decision process and that it was ultimately decided the notch would be a signature element that would make it clear this is an Apple product. I’m only sharing what I learned in the past. You can feel free to hate the notch, but it’s not some kind of mistake on Apple’s part. They did it intentionally and felt it was the best decision (probably after many, many meetings). They could have left a beze at the top like every other phone out there, but they chose not to. Simple as that.

That being said, it’s not the same thing as a distorted display at a hinge point because all the kinks haven’t been worked out of a display technology just yet.

Some will LOVE the Huawei phone. I just personally would like something more refined for $2,600...

 

[coolfactor]

The notch DOES get in the way. That’s a fact. It might not be important to you. It might have minimal impact on your personal usage. But to imply it has zero impact is disingenuous.

Let's keep this on topic. But, first, as a "notch owner" on a XR, I say the notch does not get in the way at all, and is completely unnoticeable even watching full-screen videos. Fact. If you dislike the notch so much, I suspect you own a phone without one, and therefore how can you know if the notch actually gets in the way? People just latched on this idea about the notch and won't let it go because it was so different. People don't like change, and yet continue to demand change from the tech industry.

Now, on topic... all the critics of the Huawei device not being perfect, we all need to remember this is Version 1.0, and rarely is something perfect out of the gate. Even the original iPhone was ground-breaking and perfect in many ways, it wasn't perfect in *every* way and only got better. So will foldable screens. Technology needs to start somewhere and evolve. At $2600 per device, clearly they are not trying to mass-market this thing. They are not expecting the average teenager to be buying it. It's a premium, ground-breaking device. It needs to establish roots in the marketplace. Anyone that complains about the price is just being spoiled.

 

[john123]

I read an interview long ago (I have no idea where) with an Apple designer who was discussing the notch. They talked about the decision process and that it was ultimately decided the notch would be a signature element that would make it clear this is an Apple product. I’m only sharing what I learned in the past. You can feel free to hate the notch, but it’s not some kind of mistake on Apple’s part. They did it intentionally and felt it was the best decision (probably after many, many meetings). They could have left a beze at the top like every other phone out there, but they chose not to. Simple as that.

That being said, it’s not the same thing as a distorted display at a hinge point because all the kinks haven’t been worked out of a display technology just yet.

Some will LOVE the Huawei phone. I just personally would like something more refined for $2,600...

I'm sure marketing decided to run with it. But let's be really clear here. When the tech for cameras work under screens arrives without any sacrifice in the display, that'll happen. It's crazy-town to think that it won't.

I won't buy the Samsung or the Huawei. But I acknowledge that lots of people will. (Millions, in fact...because basic business R&D amortization math at any multi-billion dollar company means they're pretty damn sure that'll happen.)

And that's all I ask. Simple acknowledgement that
a) it might not be that bad!
b) regardless of how bad it is, some people will find the foldable feature so compelling that they'll be OK with it

That's it.

 

[mattster16]

You have yet to demonstrate there is any distortion. Seeing a "crease" is not the same thing as being defective.

I’m using “defect” in the sense that the screen has a small area of surface with a clearly higher flatness tolerance than the majority of the screen and therefore there are some very noticeable out of plane areas.

While this may not be the truest definition of the word (which I know you’re poking at here), the context should be clear to any reasonable person.

Keep playing your little semantics game though...

 

[itr81]

In before:
Bendgate
Creasegate
Gapgate
Scratchgate
Batterygate
Spine-breakgate
Screengate
SamsungvsHuaweiscreenpatentgate

 

[coolfactor]

I read an interview long ago (I have no idea where) with an Apple designer who was discussing the notch. They talked about the decision process and that it was ultimately decided the notch would be a signature element that would make it clear this is an Apple product. I’m only sharing what I learned in the past. You can feel free to hate the notch, but it’s not some kind of mistake on Apple’s part. They did it intentionally and felt it was the best decision (probably after many, many meetings). They could have left a beze at the top like every other phone out there, but they chose not to. Simple as that.

That being said, it’s not the same thing as a distorted display at a hinge point because all the kinks haven’t been worked out of a display technology just yet.

Some will LOVE the Huawei phone. I just personally would like something more refined for $2,600...

Good rebuttal. Apple does not release something until they feel it's ready for market. The market ultimately decides whether something has a good design or not, and I think Apple has been right more times than wrong. That's where their competitors can sometimes come up short, releasing tech too early and lowering the bar for everyone.

 

[pl1984]

Let's keep this on topic. But, first, as a "notch owner" on a XR, I say the notch does not get in the way at all, and is completely unnoticeable even watching full-screen videos. Fact. If you dislike the notch so much, I suspect you own a phone without one, and therefore how can you know if the notch actually gets in the way? People just latched on this idea about the notch and won't let it go because it was so different. People don't like change, and yet continue to demand change from the tech industry.

Now, on topic... all the critics of the Huawei device not being perfect, we all need to remember this is Version 1.0, and rarely is something perfect out of the gate. Even the original iPhone was ground-breaking and perfect in many ways, it wasn't perfect in *every* way and only got better. So will foldable screens. Technology needs to start somewhere and evolve. At $2600 per device, clearly they are not trying to mass-market this thing. They are not expecting the average teenager to be buying it. It's a premium, ground-breaking device. It needs to establish roots in the marketplace. Anyone that complains about the price is just being spoiled.

Yet the detractors of this device are unwilling to acknowledge the "crease" might be unnoticeable in normal use of the device. The notch is clearly noticeable in normal use, this is not opinion, it is fact. The "crease" may or may not be noticeable in normal use. We'll have to wait for production units before a conclusion can be reached.

 

[john123]

Let's keep this on topic. But, first, as a "notch owner" on a XR, I say the notch does not get in the way at all, and is completely unnoticeable even watching full-screen videos. Fact. If you dislike the notch so much, I suspect you own a phone without one, and therefore how can you know if the notch actually gets in the way? People just latched on this idea about the notch and won't let it go because it was so different. People don't like change, and yet continue to demand change from the tech industry.

Argh. For about the 10th time now. This is not about me. This is not about how I feel about the notch. This is about:
1) the fact that many people—most people—regard it something they wish weren't there. Which is what most people would say about this crease/whatever. That's it. And that's why it's very much on topic.
2) the fact that people said one thing back then and are saying something different now about a "design decision" they hadn't spent time with. Your own argument proves that.

How can we have an intelligent discussion when the underlying theme seems to be "Apple good; Android manufacturers bad"?

 

[mattster16]

I'm sure marketing decided to run with it. But let's be really clear here. When the tech for cameras work under screens arrives without any sacrifice in the display, that'll happen. It's crazy-town to think that it won't.

I won't buy the Samsung or the Huawei. But I acknowledge that lots of people will. (Millions, in fact...because basic business R&D amortization math at any multi-billion dollar company means they're pretty damn sure that'll happen.)

And that's all I ask. Simple acknowledgement that
a) it might not be that bad!
b) regardless of how bad it is, some people will find the foldable feature so compelling that they'll be OK with it

That's it.

I’m not arguing that they won’t put cameras under displays when possible. Of course they will.

Maybe it won’t be that bad, but it looks pretty damn bad in the video on the device they chose to showcase. I’m hoping Samsung did a better job actually.

I also agree some people won’t mind screen distortion if the device meets their needs.

 

[pl1984]

I read an interview long ago (I have no idea where) with an Apple designer who was discussing the notch. They talked about the decision process and that it was ultimately decided the notch would be a signature element that would make it clear this is an Apple product. I’m only sharing what I learned in the past. You can feel free to hate the notch, but it’s not some kind of mistake on Apple’s part. They did it intentionally and felt it was the best decision (probably after many, many meetings). They could have left a beze at the top like every other phone out there, but they chose not to. Simple as that.

That being said, it’s not the same thing as a distorted display at a hinge point because all the kinks haven’t been worked out of a display technology just yet.

Some will LOVE the Huawei phone. I just personally would like something more refined for $2,600...

The old "I read an interview long ago (I have no idea where)" defense. An ambiguous statement from an unnamed source a long time ago (the iPhone X is what...18 months old, how long ago could it have been?) which no one can conclusively dispute because there's nothing concrete to address. In addition that has to be one naïve designer if he thought that this signature element couldn't be replicated on other devices. It's not like Apple holds a patent on notches...do they?
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Argh. For about the 10th time now. This is not about me. This is not about how I feel about the notch. This is about:
1) the fact that many people—most people—regard it something they wish weren't there. Which is what most people would say about this crease/whatever. That's it. And that's why it's very much on topic.
2) the fact that people said one thing back then and are saying something different now about a "design decision" they hadn't spent time with. Your own argument proves that.

How can we have an intelligent discussion when the underlying theme seems to be "Apple good; Android manufacturers bad"?

This is the first mistake I've seen you make in this thread...assuming there's intelligent discussion to be had with them
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I’m not arguing that they won’t put cameras under displays when possible. Of course they will.

Maybe it won’t be that bad, but it looks pretty damn bad in the video on the device they chose to showcase. I’m hoping Samsung did a better job actually.

I also agree some people won’t mind screen distortion if the device meets their needs.

Here's a thought: Wouldn't it be wiser to wait until units are available so you can find out? Nah, better to proclaim it crap just because some crappy video (and it is crap) showed a "crease" as the device was being opened. Never mind when you look at it straight on (again crappy video so this statement shouldn't be taken as conclusive either) you don't see any ill effects from the "crease".