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Is reality really such a hard pill for you to swallow?

I always find it amusing to read statements presented "as fact" within the MacRumors forms by the site's more opinionated members and a host of renowned futurists. I do try to never under-estimate the "power" of topics fueled by dreams and powered by imagination. But at times, even I am pleasantly surprised at the results.
The reality is clear. Get your wallet out.
 
Flash isn't just streaming video. H.264 couldn't replace all Flash even if there was a magic wand to wave today. Flash has interactivity, animation formats (that are driven by programming- not just a linear stream). Flash gave us iTunes-like apps long before there were iTunes apps (even long before there was an iTunes). There are many more free Flash games (including many very good ones) than there are games in the app store. There are tons of tools that allow people to create multimedia- not just streaming video- in Flash format without having to write a lick of code, that will run in all of the major browsers on both Windows and Macs.

Can all that be converted to HTML5 + H.264 + javascript? Yes. But it won't happen today, or this year, or even this decade. It's not a matter of just re-rendering one video format to another, Flash delivers rich app-like capabilities far beyond just what can be done in H.264.

Flash video is all most really care about. If a bunch of Japanese websites, CBS & Ferrari want to make their websites completely in Flash, I could care less. As for games I don't mind that either. I have a hard time even going to sites like Adult Swim because it takes up so much resources and slows my machine to a crawl. The best games will always be native.


So many HERE complain about it because Jobs has come out against it. If he flip-flopped tomorrow, many of these same people would flip-flop with him. See my last post and then remember all the other flip-flops in the past.

Many probably do but that's not the reason I hate Flash. I hate it because it's like poison to a computer. In 10.5 it crashed Safari repeatedly and slowed down my machine. It takes up too much resources. These things are facts. I don't like Flash because Apple doesn't like it but rather I don't want the web content controlled by one company. I want some measure of open standards. Flash is simply lousy on Mac and Linux.

I agree with you about the iPad and think it's less than "nothing special" and you're probably right that there was a falling out between Apple and Adobe. Flash's performance sucks, CS4 is essentially a garbage update on Mac and Windows and at one point stopped making Premiere for the Mac. There is some actual truth to Jobs calling Adobe lazy.

I think that people believe that Jobs has some devious plan when I think he doesn't gives a damn anymore. If you look at his comments over the past few years you can't say that he's just blantantly lying. I really believe he's just out to make the best products he can.
 
(54 Positives; 376 Negatives)

Not too popular, eh Macrumors? I'm not surprised by this at all. iPad owners are going to be squeezed out of every cent. I fear OSX is in trouble.
 
Ok folks, see the text from the guy I quoted above? Those of you who insist on ripping on Flash and other web standards need to read it again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again until it permeates your skulls. I'm no Flash fan, in fact, it doesn't effect me that greatly, but people need to stop being so damn myopic and consider the needs/requirements/preferences of others....like the other 94% of users out there.

Perhaps it will give some insight into why there is so much negativity over SJ's latest decisions.

Well iPhones and touches take the majority of the mobile computing market when it comes to web browsing, which is by far the fastest growing segment of the computing market, so why not take you own advice and realize it is not 1997 any longer.
 
Screw Hulu/NBC/Comcast/Xfinity.....

I mean, I saw this coming miles away, but still. Ridiculous.
Way to commodify something great. Typical American.....

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Ha, their counting on all of the brainwashed fanboys to pay out the nose for this stuff. And theres many many that will do exactly that.
 
Well iPhones and touches take the majority of the mobile computing market when it comes to web browsing, which is by far the fastest growing segment of the computing market, so why not take you own advice and realize it is not 1997 any longer.

Right, because everyone wants to think they can predict the future.

Currently, iPhone OS is a whopping 0.5% of the total market. I'm underwhelmed. Web TV used to have a bigger market share than that.

Good luck with reaching the >50% point...
 
Before I decide if paying for Hulu is good or bad, I must ask one key question: Will the price include porn? Ha Ha
 
I'm sorry but hulu will always be a load of bull until they finally let other countries start watching programs. Its add supported so why does it matter, just play NZ or AUS ads.

Thats not even up to hulu, content providers are the ones that have to allow their content internationally. Notice how you can't get certain movies and shows in other countries from itunes?
 
Currently, iPhone OS is a whopping 0.5% of the total market. I'm underwhelmed. Web TV used to have a bigger market share than that.
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wikipedia said:
Because WebTV utilized strong encryption, upon launch in 1996, WebTV was classified as munitions (a military weapon) by the United States Government and was therefore barred from export under United States security laws at the time.

haha oh wow.
 
Flash's performance sucks, CS4 is essentially a garbage update on Mac and Windows and at one point stopped making Premiere for the Mac. There is some actual truth to Jobs calling Adobe lazy.

I think that people believe that Jobs has some devious plan when I think he doesn't gives a damn anymore. If you look at his comments over the past few years you can't say that he's just blantantly lying. I really believe he's just out to make the best products he can.


I think the main issue with Adobe is that over the years they've become a POS company that relies on the dependence of the masses on its bloatware to keep afloat. Adobe is Microsoft, but in miniature form. Their Creative Suite software has become a set of headaches that designers - professionals and amateurs alike, can't wait to dump for better alternatives. But when design houses are already so dependent (from long ago) on Photoshop, InDesign and the like, and have so much invested in the platform, letting go might be just as painful (if not more painful) than living with the pain. It's a pretty abusive relationship.

Quark's incompetence just made things worse, and their current offerings might be too little, too late.

Adobe is getting EXACTLY what they deserve, and I wouldn't shed a tear of all their bloatware and lousy tech was vaporized tomorrow.
 
... Adobe is getting EXACTLY what they deserve, and I wouldn't shed a tear of all their bloatware and lousy tech was vaporized tomorrow.

Since you would feel no personal loss, I assume you own zero licensed Adobe products and therefore would not suffer any great loss if Adobe were to fold?

I ask because I thought it would be interesting to find out whether your critical evaluation of Adobe products was based on actual experience or just a collection of talking points you picked up by reading some blog.
 
Since you would feel no personal loss, I assume you own zero licensed Adobe products and therefore would not suffer any great loss if Adobe were to fold?

I ask because I thought it would be interesting to find out whether your critical evaluation of Adobe products are based on actual experience or just some talking points you picked up by reading some blog.

Even if adobe were to go under, would that magically make your software stop working?:confused:
 
Actually, it is Apple's doing. Hulu plays perfectly fine right now in my laptop browser. Apple's refusal of Flash makes Hulu impossible on an ultramobile, hence this new direction.

And if site's should work fine without a plug-in, then how about you take Quicktime off your computer and see how well apple.com functions.

Hulu will not play on any mobile devices. Even if the iPad had flash it would not support Hulu.
 
Right, because everyone wants to think they can predict the future.

Currently, iPhone OS is a whopping 0.5% of the total market. I'm underwhelmed. Web TV used to have a bigger market share than that.

Good luck with reaching the >50% point...

Of which iPhone OS is 70% of the mobile market. With the iPad it will only be worse.

First of your number is about 2 years old, and secondly successful people look towards the future, not the past.

At one point monochrome monitors were dominant in the display market as well. Doesn't mean you wanted to invest in them.

You need to look to the future, not the present.
 
Since you would feel no personal loss, I assume you own zero licensed Adobe products and therefore would not suffer any great loss if Adobe were to fold?

I ask because I thought it would be interesting to find out whether your critical evaluation of Adobe products are based on actual experience or just some talking points you picked up by reading some blog.

I can't speak for anyone else but Adobe's products (except Lightroom) have been lousy for the past two years. I am a moderate Photoshop user and myy job is rarely to touch the rest of the features of CS bit I still need it. The upgrade for CS4 was lousy for the Mac. It was full of errors and wasn't consistent with the rest of the OS.


Adobe's problems are greater than this at this point. It has been said that no programmer at Adobe fully understands all the power of an app like Photoshop much less anyone else. This is what happens when you have a UI that becomes bloated over time without any re-thought or change. This has reflected in sales at Adobe and why they've had so many job cuts l…even of quality people.

It is a UI that needs to be redesigned from the ground up…for any of their apps. The only effort for ease of use for designers seems to be in Flash and those devs seem to abusing a platform that is only benefitial to Windows at best.

Their apps are best of class in their respective categories but until users Adobe gives a reason for the average user to upgrade from the average products that are offered on any platform. Their only market is now big big business which does not update their products unless they feel a dire need to do so. This has reflected in their sales.
 
Since you would feel no personal loss, I assume you own zero licensed Adobe products and therefore would not suffer any great loss if Adobe were to fold?

I ask because I thought it would be interesting to find out whether your critical evaluation of Adobe products was based on actual experience or just a collection of talking points you picked up by reading some blog.

Flash is allowed to fold, just not photoshop and dreamweaver. :D
 
Even if adobe were to go under, would that magically make your software stop working?:confused:

I didn't imply it would (stop working), now did I? however, my main question was regarding *LTD*s hands on experience with the products he criticized.

At any rate: Software that "still works" often isn't good enough in the professional world. How many businesses do you see running Windows 95, other than the truly clueless holes in a wall businesses?

A hobbyist might be content running 3 versions behind, but few professionals could afford to do so, least they cease being competitive in the real world.

Let's compare the price of upgrading vs. buying a full product, esp. a "professional" software package, from another software vendor -- I'll use Apple Logic as an example:

If Apple were to stop making Logic, I would no longer be able to upgrade for about $200 per event. Instead, I'd have to buy a new product, at full price at some point in the future, which would be much more closely. I might also have to buy another $1000 worth of software for sounds, patches, effects, etc. that might not be compatible with another product.

Most people who use a professional product, such as Photoshop, Logic, FCP, CS4. etc., would need to keep their software current as new formats and standards do continue to evolve in relatively short periods of time. New OSs come out, and old software may not work as well under it, or at all.

Trust me. It's no fun to invest >$1000 in a software product and then find the product has reached a dead end, because that usually means one has to spend another >$1000 chunk of change to replace the defunct product.

A hobbyist that spent $50 on a product that suddenly has no future probably won't feel the same degree of pain. And as a hobbyist, he/she probably won't feel any pressing need to replace the product ASAP.

...Their apps are best of class in their respective categories but until users Adobe gives a reason for the average user to upgrade from the average products that are offered on any platform. Their only market is now big big business which does not update their products unless they feel a dire need to do so. This has reflected in their sales.

I've heard the same said about just about all the "pro products" from a multitude of software vendors over the years. Most all the pro apps lag in development, and often you can miss an upgrade and not miss very much of real benefit. But the demand for pro products, with their huge price tags, usually isn't overwhelming.

Sometimes it's prudent to stick with "the devil that you do know" rather jumping to "the devil that you don't"...
 
...just a collection of talking points you picked up by reading some blog.
Well this is MacRumors.

After you get past the first few hundred posts of rage and sort through the gems among those, you have to have to start thinking about what you say.

I'm still deeply disturbed by the horrible realities of what I've stumbled upon.
 
Well this is MacRumors.

After you get past the first few hundred posts of rage and sort through the gems among those, you have to have to start thinking about what you say.

I'm still deeply disturbed by the horrible realities of what I've stumbled upon.

Posts that simply reiterate a "its sucks" mantra beg for elaboration.
 
Well this is MacRumors.

After you get past the first few hundred posts of rage and sort through the gems among those, you have to have to start thinking about what you say.

I'm still deeply disturbed by the horrible realities of what I've stumbled upon.

Things on a Mac Rumours forums are disturbing. I never would of guessed. ;)
 
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