This. Elon's cutting the fat out of the company that's just there for no reason. He's not firing people cause he wants to, he's doing it so he can keep the business running and having people that want to work there stay.
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Hundreds of Twitter Employees Leaving After Elon Musk's 'Extremely Hardcore' Work Demands
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Sorry that’s just untrue. The board may have been lazy but without all those engineers the site and the app would collapse.
You very clearly don’t understand what happens to servers being hit with up to 3 billion posts a day and how many people it takes to prevent that falling apart. It may look simple on the front end but it is massive in the back end.
To put it in perspective, if this forum got hit by 3000X less traffic it wouldn’t even load.
Another person who doesn’t understand one thing about the back end.
A popular social media platform isn’t just a little simple box.
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Yup. The two are quite different. Jobs was very concerned about and loved user design, how objects worked with and for people. His concern and care for design is one thing that really had made Apple products different from many others. Yes he could be a jerk too, as I understand, but he was willing to be challenged and has a kind of broad perspective that Elon doesn’t.
Elon seems petty, power hungry, and vindictive.
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One of the first people he fired was Yao Yue, who is an absolute legend in the field -- a senior engineer with deep knowledge of complex systems. That is not the same thing as firing the board or the corporate management.
You don't send around an email demanding SCREENSHOTS of recent commits for your personal review from a bunch of highly talented engineers who can get a job literally anywhere when you have a reputation for not knowing what a "for" loop is. If Elon actually was as good as his press, he could've just reviewed the git log, and wouldn't be using number of lines written in a month as a metric (the best coders simplify code or find places they can just tweak it). They recognized Dunning-Kruger for what it is and jumped ship.
'We have to get dressed and drive to work—and pay exorbitant gas prices to do so. We have to sit in traffic in the morning, or take crime-addled public transportation. We don't have the luxury of sitting at home in pajama bottoms.
All throughout the COVID response, we blue collar workers showed up to work, day in and day out. There was no "stay at home to save lives." We risked illness while these people got to work at home while watching TV in their PJs.'
'I live in Texas, which has had an influx of pajama class immigrants. They came and drove up the cost of housing, pricing out many city residents from housing in the city they love. And now many of these cities look totally different.'
This is a guy who don't like other workers having it better than him selves.
Get out of here. Youtube has only 1/3rd of the employees that Twitter has while being a much more demanding social media website. And Youtube also does much more AI / Machine Learning at the same time.
Elon is not paying $220k/yr on average for software engineers to be that inefficient like how they are at Twitter.
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"Enterprise grade hardware" he says. Oh boy. I'd suggest you read this: https://danluu.com/cache-incidents/
That's not true.
April 1996: Cuts 1500 jobs (out of 15800)
September 1996: Cuts another 1300 jobs
February 1997: Jobs re-joins Apple as an advisor
March 1997: Cuts 4100 jobs
July 1997: Jobs becomes de-facto CEO by a coup
September 1997: Jobs becomes interim CEO
March 1998: Jobs axes several products and projects
Oh, I'm holding the Twitter board responsible. Basically this whole exercise is just a golden parachute for Jack Dorsey.
Do we know if Twitter options triggered? I suppose it makes sense that they would (my options triggered when the company I worked for went private). If so, that makes me feel better about the top
talent there bugging out. But I'm still concerned about the workers on work visas who can't bug out.
It should be every employer's and every workers job to create a good working environment where most of the responsibility should be on the employer.
In fact, it should be a universal human right.
Software developers write code and make commits to a central repository. It's pretty easy for a _skilled_ technical manager to see who's doing their work and who isn't -- GitHub and GitLab both have helpful graphs of "commits today," and if the numbers seem low you can look at the worker's activity feed and examine individual commits in context to see if they're working on a problem that requires a lot of thought. You do not have to physically look over their shoulders to see if they are doing work.Or dear, the employees think this an unreasonable amount of time to be in the office. Working a five day week, 8 hours per day, this is the typical working hours for office work.
And you would not know who is the fat and who isn't, in a week. I would speculate that some of the people who are not the fat are probably also leaving due to the toxicity.
It's not irrelevant whether Musk is a jerk or not. It's because he often is, he is criticised.
Because Amazon and Meta probably has a plan knowing their own business and will not get rid of half their employees and all their contractors.
Meta is reducing their workforce with 13%.
Here is how Zuckerberg communicated it:
"Today I’m sharing some of the most difficult changes we’ve made in Meta’s history. I’ve decided to reduce the size of our team by about 13% and let more than 11,000 of our talented employees go. We are also taking a number of additional steps to become a leaner and more efficient company by cutting discretionary spending and extending our hiring freeze through Q1.
I want to take accountability for these decisions and for how we got here. I know this is tough for everyone, and I’m especially sorry to those impacted. [...]"
He then explains why and how people affected will be helped.
Because it's the first time an important social network gets a new owner who is controversial?
Also, Musk has created much drama for about six months, even having to face trial to get the deal through. Entering a building with a sink probably didn't help if he wanted anonymity and firing half the employees with a week or two.
Foxconn has about 1.3 million employees. Only 1140 of those aren't replaceable.
So you recommend they start replacing their 1.29886 million people with better people?
Again showing ignorance.
YouTube is demanding in a video sense, but doesn’t have near as many comments and conversations as Twitter.
These are two different data structures and shouldn’t be compared like for like.
Even so, Musk wants to introduce long form video and long form tweets. He also wants to introduce payments.
He can only do that with more engineers and more support. He’s urinating all over the infra community and they are running from him.
The op-ed ( https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/tech...newsntp&cvid=921e59b0ac6442d3bd4d49db54d95c38 ) read like someone had some disgruntlement not exactly towards Twitter workers but towards either his own situation or the fact that some people could work from home and he couldn’t.
The op-ed isn’t making a great argument at all about why Twitter employees are not justified in their anger or frustration.
The article noted, “But it's hard to explain to people in the laptop class just how bizarre this all sounds to blue collar workers. You're being asked to show up to work and you tell your boss no—and you're the victim here?”
He signs off as a union railroad worker. He should know better that just because a boss wants something doesn’t mean the boss necessarily gets it. Why? Because expectations, terms, conditions, etc. Boss is not king. Worker is not slave. When work from home became the standard for some workers, home life changed. When you’ve been working at home for several years, being forced to return to the office on a dime is disruptive to other parts of your relationship and home life that has shifted to accommodate your working at home. Paid work is never just that; it’s always in the context of a person’s larger life.
This union railroad worker should know better that demands from corporate should not be taken as an injunction. The whole point of a union is to ensure that what corporate says does not have the effect of an injunction and rather that what happens is negotiated between parties that have, ideally, equal weight and influence.
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The Nobody (ze/zer) @mangadildo69xxx:
Today I like totally understood what it means to be a fagile white person. #impeachtrump #russiancollusion #woke
*standing ovations*, "we must make sure hate does not find it's way onto the platform", ad nauseam
Twitter, now:
*collective wokeness and/or celebrities*: NOOOOO! WHERE IS MY BLUE CHACKMARK? WHAT DO YOU MEANS IT'S FOR SALE?! MUSK PROBABLY OWNED SLAVES IN SOUTH AFRICA!
*everyone*: this is the worst thing to ever happen to twitter, or maybe internet as a whole, or perhaps the whole world. We can collectively assume the fetal pose and cry - remember, tears are nature's own way to cleanse the mind. Please join me at Mastadon or whatever it's called.
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I think the more obvious rebuttal is that YouTube has a parent company providing an awful lot of its physical, functional, and support infrastructure.
And also strangely obsessed with pajamas.
As a member of the cohort he's railing against, I'd like to mention that some of us wear pants when working at home.
It’s just jealousy, pure and simple. WFH is here to stay for many and the naysayers will have to accept it.
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